Seven workers from World Central Kitchen killed in Gaza

Brookswood said:
This answer dodges the issue completely.

The issue is real. If Israel stops, who will deal with Hamas if there is another Oct 7 attack? The US? I hope not. The UN? I doubt it. A force made up of Arab soldiers from countries that are sick and tired of all this fighting in their back yard. Maybe. I don't know.

In regards to carrots. You can find a lot of carrots in the history of the Camp David negotiations held during the Clinton administration. It's a shame the Camp David negotiations did not work out. So many have suffered and died over this mess. Too many egos. Not enough humanity.
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It doesn't dodge the question. My response presents another idea to bring about a lasting peace. For several years, (2005 to 2014 I think) Palestinians held a weekly peace march. They wanted peace....but they were met with water cannons and bullets. That was an opportunity for Israel to lay down the arms and recognize the desire for peace....but they didn't. They could have not shot at them and they could have extended an olive branch to those people....but they didn't. Dear Nick Kristof: Your Palestinian Gandhis are Already Here - Dissent Magazine

You're right, not enough humanity even when small groups of Palestinians try and when some Jews try.....government rules.

What might happen if Palestinians who sought peace were allowed growing opportunities (along with the peace they ask for) and others who were doubtful to begin with, saw that group begin to relax and prosper? Maybe it would attract others to what could become a growing peace movement. But it takes effort on both sides doesn't it? Oslo Accords came close with Arafat promising that Palestinians would henceforth accept Israel's right to live in peace there.....signed that with Rabin (who was subsequently assassinated by a Jewish terrorist who didn't like the idea). Unfortunately as that agreement was left somewhat open ended with no discussion on Palestinians Right of Return, it eventually collapsed back into the same distrust on both sides.
 
After seeing more about this on the news, I am angry, disgusted and heartbroken!! Not only were their vehicles clearly marked, they notified the Israeli military that they would be in that area, which was supposed to have been safe. I can't imagine how devastated their families must be, knowing that it's highly doubtful that the perpetrators of the attack will face any retribution. My heart goes out to their families, friends and co-workers. :cry:šŸ¤¬
 

TabbyAnn said:
Shortly after the founding of Israel in 1947 by the U.N., a coalition of surrounding Muslim countries attacked Israel and waged war on them. That war lasted 10 months and at the end of it Israel not only controlled their own area but 60% of the area proposed for the Palestinian state.
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I think that for the historical context, we should think about the events leading up to the war:

The Palestine Mandate in 1923, as part of the Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire following World War I, reaffirmed the 1917 British commitment to the Balfour Declaration for establishing a "National Home" for the Jewish people in Palestine, with the prerogative to carry it out. A British census of 1918 estimated 700,000 Arabs and 56,000 Jews.

1937, following a six-month-long Arab General Strike and armed insurrection, which aimed to pursue national independence and secure the country from foreign control, the British established the Peel Commission. The Commission concluded that the Mandate had become unworkable and recommended partition into an Arab state linked to Transjordan, a small Jewish state, and a mandatory zone. To address problems arising from the presence of national minorities in each area, it suggested a land and population transfer involving the transfer of some 225,000 Arabs living in the envisaged Jewish state and 1,250 Jews living in a future Arab state, a measure deemed compulsory "in the last resort".

The 1947ā€“1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine was a significant precursor to the establishment of the State of Israel and the subsequent Arab-Israeli conflicts.

UN Partition Plan (1947): In November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted to partition Mandatory Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as an international city. The Arab state was to have a territory of 11,100 square kilometres or 42%, the Jewish state a territory of 14,100 square kilometres or 56%, while the remaining 2%ā€”comprising the cities of Jerusalem, Bethlehem and the adjoining areaā€”would become an international zone. The Jewish leadership accepted the plan, but the Arab leadership rejected it, viewing it as unjust.

The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims of two competing movements, Palestinian nationalism and Jewish nationalism, or Zionism. Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewed the acceptance of the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine. The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League, and other Arab leaders and governments rejected it because, in addition to the Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned most of the land. They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division, arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter, which grants people the right to decide their own destiny.

President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leadersā€”actuated by political motives and engaging in political threatsā€”disturbed and annoyed me."

Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for how the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions, and at the same time, his sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, the Indian ambassador to the UN, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless "she voted right". Pandit occasionally hinted that something might change in favour of the Zionists. But another Indian delegate, Kavallam Pannikar, said that India would vote for the Arab side, because of their large Muslim minority, although they knew that the Jews had a case.

Shortly before the vote, France's delegate to the United Nations was visited by Bernard Baruch, a long-term Jewish supporter of the Democratic Party who, during the recent world war, had been an economic adviser to President Roosevelt and had latterly been appointed by President Truman as United States ambassador to the newly created UN Atomic Energy Commission. He was, privately, a supporter of the Irgun and its front organisation, the American League for a Free Palestine. Baruch implied that a French failure to support the resolution might block planned American aid to France, which was badly needed for reconstruction, French currency reserves being exhausted and its balance of payments heavily in deficit.
Previously, to avoid antagonising its Arab colonies, France had not publicly supported the resolution. After considering the danger of American aid being withheld, France finally voted in favour of it. So, too, did France's neighbours, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands.

Violence Erupts: Following the UN decision, violence erupted between Jewish and Arab communities in Mandatory Palestine. Both sides engaged in attacks and reprisals, leading to escalating tensions and casualties on both sides.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
After seeing more about this on the news, I am angry, disgusted and heartbroken!! Not only were their vehicles clearly marked, they notified the Israeli military that they would be in that area, which was supposed to have been safe. I can't imagine how devastated their families must be, knowing that it's highly doubtful that the perpetrators of the attack will face any retribution. My heart goes out to their families, friends and co-workers. :cry:šŸ¤¬
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It is heartbreaking. Folks like those aid workers are so compassionate for others, they sacrifice so much to help those in need, and a tyrant government like the Netanyahu regime murders them as they travel to bring aid to the sickly and dying. They'll lie about it and not take responsibility, just as Putin is doing in Ukraine. It is disgusting. Netanyahu is just like Putin, a murderous dictator. He is to the Palestinian people as Putin is to the Ukrainians.

I feel sorry for the innocent citizens living in Israel, they want to get rid of Netanyahu and his extreme government and live in peace. If they boot Netanyahu out, it will be good for the Palestinians who have still managed to live also. We bend over backwards giving support and aid to Israel, only to get a slap in the face by Bibi the killer. Time to rethink our relationship with them, IMO.
 
After this tragic, slaughter of good people trying
to help, our Government, ex Prime Minister, Lord
David Cameron, is calling for, "a fair and honest,
investigation", nothing about the pilot who would
have been briefed about the vehicle markings on
the roofs of said vehicles and take him to court.

Trigger Happy.

Mike.
 
Perhaps, the horror of what is happening will encourage the more moderate voices to prevail. IMO, that will mean outside forces will have to force the end of certain militant groups like Hamas (Which took power after an election and then thereā€™s never been another election), and establish a more democratic and peace oriented government in Gaza. And it will need a more reasonable government in Israel. Both changes may take a generation or more to work out and be successful.

Good luck working it out
 
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SeaBreeze said:
It is heartbreaking. Folks like those aid workers are so compassionate for others, they sacrifice so much to help those in need, and a tyrant government like the Netanyahu regime murders them as they travel to bring aid to the sickly and dying. They'll lie about it and not take responsibility, just as Putin is doing in Ukraine. It is disgusting. Netanyahu is just like Putin, a murderous dictator. He is to the Palestinian people as Putin is to the Ukrainians.

I feel sorry for the innocent citizens living in Israel, they want to get rid of Netanyahu and his extreme government and live in peace. If they boot Netanyahu out, it will be good for the Palestinians who have still managed to live also. We bend over backwards giving support and aid to Israel, only to get a slap in the face by Bibi the killer. Time to rethink our relationship with them, IMO.
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I agree SeaBreeze. What is bugging me now is that despite the U.S. official's condemnation of the heinous acts against civilians and the killing of those aid workers, they are still sending weapons and aid to Israel. This after Netanyahu told our president (publicly no less) in no uncertain terms to mind his own business. If he had spoken those words to me, I would honor his request and stop providing aid. Other officials are now weighing in and saying in light of the situation, criticizing but still providing aid is hypocritical. I agree with that too.
 
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well they have had a grand ticking off and then made their excuses - now lets see what happens next?? another accident??
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I agree SeaBreeze. What is bugging me now is that despite the U.S. official's condemnation of the heinous acts against civilians and the killing of those aid workers, they are still sending weapons and aid to Israel. This after Netanyahu told our president (publicly no less) in no uncertain terms to mind his own business. If he had spoken those words to me, I would honor his request and stop providing aid. Other officials are now weighing in and saying in light of the situation, criticizing but still providing aid is hypocritical. I agree with that.
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It was reported in the UK on Thursday that over 600 prominent lawyers and judges have signed a 17-page letter to the British Prime Minister, highlighting the events in Gaza so far and raising concerns about the possible complicity of the UK in grave breaches of international law, including potential violations of the Genocide Convention.

The News also said the letter pointed out weapon exports to Israel must end because the UK risks breaking international law over a "plausible risk of genocide" in Gaza. The letter said the government must meet its obligations under international law. Including actions such as imposing sanctions on "individuals and entities who have made statements inciting genocide against Palestinians". Suspending ongoing diplomatic and "enhanced trade deal" negotiations with Israel.
 
Magna-Carta said:
It was reported in the UK on Thursday that over 600 prominent lawyers and judges have signed a 17-page letter to the British Prime Minister, highlighting the events in Gaza so far and raising concerns about the possible complicity of the UK in grave breaches of international law, including potential violations of the Genocide Convention.

The News also said the letter pointed out weapon exports to Israel must end because the UK risks breaking international law over a "plausible risk of genocide" in Gaza. The letter said the government must meet its obligations under international law. Including actions such as imposing sanctions on "individuals and entities who have made statements inciting genocide against Palestinians". Suspending ongoing diplomatic and "enhanced trade deal" negotiations with Israel.
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Thank you for this update. I hope it results in the appropriate actions being taken!
 
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The American Government, President Biden, has
had a message delivered to Netanyahu, about
allowing more humanitarian relief and food to
get in to Gaza, or the American attitude will change,
this has resulted in several border crossings to be
to be opened, the problem now is to get drivers
and staff to deliver aid to the ones who need it!

I heard this on the BBC radio news this morning.

Mike.
 

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