San Francisco's free alcohol to homeless creating a controversy

well I thought it was aimed at stopping jams in the A/E depts? and wot ever works the fastest and cheapest try it - I assume it is a trial status atm??
 
Free alcohol to homeless? This makes no sense. Everyone knows that former or recovering alcoholics are at risk for being sucked back into their old ways at the taste of one drink. It doesn't matter if they can't afford it after one taste...they'll just break windows and steal it, no?

Once they start stealing and drinking then aren't there different types of drunks? It may calm some but other types are silly drunks, angry drunks, or violent drunks for instance.
 

well I think it is a sorta trial experiment atm - if it causes significant problems as you describe I am sure it will be stopped - it's not a tactic to cure anyone more to keep out troublesome of confused people from A/E??
 
WhatInThe said:
San Francisco is offering free alcohol in the form of beer and vodka shots in an experimental effort to keep homeless off the streets, out of jail etc. One of the complaints is the program doesn't attach a rehab component to the program. It just free alcohol. Supposedly it's been tried in Canada with mixed results.

MSN

Otherwise known as enabling.
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Oh good, something else for the general public to complain about. Has anything fundamentally changed? Nah. Just the same old sighs and groans.
 
Naturally said:
Well that's one way to control the areas of San Francisco they occupy and congregate in.
Don't think they will be handing out free booze in Presidio Heights or Seacliff.
Free booze never cured alcoholism or homelessness ... you heard it here first folks.
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I disagree. If the city continues giving them drinks, they will have a very small chance of ever getting sober. Accordingly, they will just die! Problem solved...
 
As bad as alcohol is my understanding is that it is not as bad as potent marijuana, and, of course, heroine, fentanyl, etc.

It’s time for some creative thinking on the entire add Maybe some states and localities should be freed up to try different approaches to getting people into treatment and keeping them sober. What we’re doing is too costly, not sustainable and not working.
 
San Fransisco deserves another really big earthquake, IMO. But I am not God.

I'm tellin' ya, the wealthy business kings who run that area are nuts, IMO. Even Steve Jobs, who did a lot of good and useful things, had some great creative ideas, killed himself with his fruit-only diet. Very smart man with OCD, perhaps?, who was not smart enough to consult with some nutritionists about his DIET.

I call that blindness. There's a lot of moral blindness in S.F., IMO.
 
Pepper said:
I have experience with both, so must admit I am speaking only of myself and countless others I have known throughout the years......anecdotally speaking.
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I think we can both agree that over use and badly timed use of MJ or alcohol is a bad things.
 
birdy said:
This program costs 5M a year to run. The cost alone is concerning. Perhaps recovery programs should be the goal. This must be incorrect but I read it has served only 65 clients total.
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They could build at least five duplexes (10 units total) for $5 mil. in S.F. That's housing for 10 small families. i.e. 40 people.

But NO - can't build low-cost housing! That would inspire people to not work! Gotta keep those rents at $2,500+ to make sure people work!

Earthquake + tsunami. Wipe the place out and rebuild. I know - that's horrible, but this is where my frustration with the madness goes - off into earthquake movies. o_O. When you're mad at California, watch this movie.
 
VintageBetter said:
San Fransisco deserves another really big earthquake, IMO. But I am not God.

I'm tellin' ya, the wealthy business kings who run that area are nuts, IMO. Even Steve Jobs, who did a lot of good and useful things, had some great creative ideas, killed himself with his fruit-only diet. Very smart man with OCD, perhaps?, who was not smart enough to consult with some nutritionists about his DIET.

I call that blindness. There's a lot of moral blindness in S.F., IMO.
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San Francisco is (was) a beautiful world known iconic city. If you had ever been there before the problems got out of hand and with everything closing you'd know what I mean. All cities have had issues for as long as they existed. But San Francisco was special. Just walking the streets. But no more IMO.

I eat plant based and apparently those chips are not killing me. Yet. But no, I don't believe in raw, fruit vegetable only and all that.
 
Pepper said:
I am an alcoholic. There is no cure. Just don't drink. Wanted a glass of Italian Red Wine with my Italian Mother's Day Meal. Really wanted. Then I remembered I don't stop at one. Sigh. Had a Diet Coke with a slice of lemon.
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I'm sorry, that's hard. But I'm pretty sure Red Wine is 100% better for you than Diet Coke. Ask Doc though.

Observational studies have linked diet soda to
type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, increased risk of stroke.

Also, weight gain, disruptions to gut health, cardiovascular problems and an increased craving for sweets. More recently, studies have linked the diet soda habit to an increased risk of stroke.
 
VintageBetter said:
San Fransisco deserves another really big earthquake, IMO. But I am not God
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Whew on that one.
VintageBetter said:
Earthquake + tsunami. Wipe the place out and rebuild. I know - that's horrible, but this is where my frustration with the madness goes - off into earthquake movies. o_O. When you're mad at California, watch this movie.
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Yeah, it actually is really, really horrible. Not to mention inexcusable. Why you would wish death and destruction on people you don't know and who have never done you wrong is beyond comprehension.
VintageBetter said:
There's a lot of moral blindness in S.F., IMO.
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A lot of it going on with your post as well.
 
Lara said:
I'm sorry, that's hard. But I'm pretty sure Red Wine is 100% better for you than Diet Coke. Ask Doc though.

Observational studies have linked diet soda to
type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, increased risk of stroke.

Also, weight gain, disruptions to gut health, cardiovascular problems and an increased craving for sweets. More recently, studies have linked the diet soda habit to an increased risk of stroke.
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Please allow Pepper to enjoy an occasional diet coke in peace. She cannot drink any alcohol as she has bravely mentioned.
 
First, the headline intimates that San Fransico has turned into an open bar for the homeless. Yet, the reality is in 4 years they treat a total of 65 people.
After years of chronic alcoholism, a sudden withdrawal from alcohol can cause convulsions, cardiac arrest and total system failure, liver etc.. So, if shot & a beer can deter a ride in an ambulance, and expensive ER treatment, which the tax payers are paying for; maybe it's worth a try to see what works.
And again, 65 people, it not like it's a free San Fran. Octoberfest for homeless alcoholics.
 
All they need is Jesus ... He turned water to wine

... and in 4yrs, 65 people drank $5million worth of booze. WHOA ... must have been the good stuff

WAIT ... that was $5million A YEAR !!! ... For 65 people ?!?!?!
“Managed Alcohol Program.” However, reports from the San Francisco Chronicle later revealed that the yearly spend is actually $5 million.
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WAIT SOME MORE AGAIN ...
Yet, the reality is in 4 years they treat a total of 65 people.
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SOoooo doing the math ... 4 X $5million = $20million ... for a total of 65 people ?!?!?!

Ambulance rides and ER treatment must be astronomical in SF !!! WHOA
 

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