Demonstrations Concerning Various Areas

Mike

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Why are there so many demonstrations, about life,
over here, I remember, "Ban the Bomb", this was
against Nuclear weapons, on some Air Bases, then
Greenpeace, demonstrated to save the environment,
then there were more demonstrations about the new
roads that were to be built, Global Warming, ban oil,
now supporting Palestine, these people probably just
like to demonstrate and may not know anything about
the subject, rather than go to school or find a job, they
prefer to march!

Mike.
 

'These' people, Mike? You are talking about these people through generations. Why shouldn't we organize to make our voices heard?

You know who you are talking to, my friend? Grandma was a union organizer, I dedicated years of my life to end the war in Vietnam.

March away! Progress would never occur without demonstrating. i.e. Boston Tea Party
 
Mike said:
Why are there so many demonstrations, about life,
over here, I remember, "Ban the Bomb", this was
against Nuclear weapons, on some Air Bases, then
Greenpeace, demonstrated to save the environment,
then there were more demonstrations about the new
roads that were to be built, Global Warming, ban oil,
now supporting Palestine, these people probably just
like to demonstrate and may not know anything about
the subject, rather than go to school or find a job, they
prefer to march!

Mike.
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Maybe they want to out-demonstrate their parents' generation, who famously demonstrated against the war in Vietnam, segregation, the draft, life sentences for smoking a joint, etc.

Demonstrations are how people use their voice against political injustices and unfairness. Between elections, it's one of very few ways people can get their political opinion across to TPTB.
 

Pepper said:
'These' people, Mike? You are talking about these people through generations. Why shouldn't we organize to make our voices heard?
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My bad English strikes again, sorry, you are correct that
these demonstrations have been going on since the 1960s
that I am aware of, my point was that, I can't remember a
demonstration forcing any change, they keep causing the
traffic to stop, people to miss hospital appointments and
in my own experience, to be too late for a funeral, what
happens after a few months, things go quiet, then another
thing comes up and the demonstrations start all over for a
new reason, it is never ending.

Remember the Miners strike in 1984 - 1985 one whole year
and all they achieved was the closure of all or most Deep
Mines and an industry was destroyed.

Mike.
 
Mike said:
My bad English strikes again, sorry, you are correct that
these demonstrations have been going on since the 1960s
that I am aware of, my point was that, I can't remember a
demonstration forcing any change, they keep causing the
traffic to stop, people to miss hospital appointments and
in my own experience, to be too late for a funeral, what
happens after a few months, things go quiet, then another
thing comes up and the demonstrations start all over for a
new reason, it is never ending.

Remember the Miners strike in 1984 - 1985 one whole year
and all they achieved was the closure of all or most Deep
Mines and an industry was destroyed.

Mike.
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I've been stuck behind demonstrations that blocked traffic. Protestors/demonstrators aren't supposed to infringe on people's normal use of public roads, and I don't understand why there aren't more arrests. In the US, it's a civil violation at the least. I've seen 2 separate videos where they blocked an emergency vehicle, which can be charged as a felony, but I didn't hear about any arrests in those cases either.

What I see on the rise is people protesting against issues they know very little about, if anything at all. And it seems like they're becoming more violent. Or more demonstrations include violence....probably more accurate.
 
A retired deputy friend said he could clear the streets of unruly demonstrators. He would drive a liquid manure semi down the street with the spreader turned on.
They would have to clean the street but there would be no property damage.
 
I took part in a couple of the Aldermaston marches and was present outside the US Embassy in Grosvenor Square in 1968.
I have attended several minor demos over the years but my marching days are over now.
 
Sounds to me like a big "Shut up, sit down, go home, and let the monied interests and foreign influencers have their stinking way."
 
Murrmurr said:
I've been stuck behind demonstrations that blocked traffic. Protestors/demonstrators aren't supposed to infringe on people's normal use of public roads, and I don't understand why there aren't more arrests. In the US, it's a civil violation at the least. I've seen 2 separate videos where they blocked an emergency vehicle, which can be charged as a felony, but I didn't hear about any arrests in those cases either.

What I see on the rise is people protesting against issues they know very little about, if anything at all. And it seems like they're becoming more violent. Or more demonstrations include violence....probably more accurate.
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The same here, when the Global Warming, or just stop oil,
glued their hands to the road surface, at the "ON" ramps
to several different Motorways, the police were there to
try and keep the peace, but what lost the police credibility,
was when they brought cups of water and tea to the ones
who had glued themselves to the roadway!

Mike.
 
Murrmurr said:
I've seen 2 separate videos where they blocked an emergency vehicle, which can be charged as a felony, but I didn't hear about any arrests in those cases either.
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Here is Ohio*s version of that.

Section 2917.13 | Misconduct at emergency.

(1) Hamper the lawful operations of any law enforcement officer, firefighter, rescuer, medical person, emergency medical services person, or other authorized person, engaged in the person's duties at the scene of a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind;

(2) Hamper the lawful activities of any emergency facility person who is engaged in the person's duties in an emergency facility;

(3) Fail to obey the lawful order of any law enforcement officer engaged in the law enforcement officer's duties at the scene of or in connection with a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind.

(B) Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit access or deny information to any news media representative in the lawful exercise of the news media representative's duties.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of misconduct at an emergency. Except as otherwise provided in this division, misconduct at an emergency is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a violation of this section creates a risk of physical harm to persons or property, misconduct at an emergency is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

An M - 4 and above is an arrestable offense.
 
ohioboy said:
Here is Ohio*s version of that.

Section 2917.13 | Misconduct at emergency.

(1) Hamper the lawful operations of any law enforcement officer, firefighter, rescuer, medical person, emergency medical services person, or other authorized person, engaged in the person's duties at the scene of a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind;

(2) Hamper the lawful activities of any emergency facility person who is engaged in the person's duties in an emergency facility;

(3) Fail to obey the lawful order of any law enforcement officer engaged in the law enforcement officer's duties at the scene of or in connection with a fire, accident, disaster, riot, or emergency of any kind.

(B) Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit access or deny information to any news media representative in the lawful exercise of the news media representative's duties.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of misconduct at an emergency. Except as otherwise provided in this division, misconduct at an emergency is a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a violation of this section creates a risk of physical harm to persons or property, misconduct at an emergency is a misdemeanor of the first degree.

An M - 4 and above is an arrestable offense.
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Whoever violates this section is guilty of misconduct at an emergency... A misdemeanor unless (or until) the hampering enhances personal injury to a person, or contributes to the death of a person, such as when a demonstrator or demonstration hampers an ambulance, delaying CPR or the like, or delays police response to an assault, rape, or domestic violence, etc.

Demonstrators can be held liable, and risk being charged with a felony or even multiple felonies. Unintentional harm, sure, but if it is found that if not for their actions a life would have been saved or further/more serious injury would have been avoided, a prosecutor would have grounds to pursue felony charges.
 
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Mike said:
The same here, when the Global Warming, or just stop oil,
glued their hands to the road surface, at the "ON" ramps
to several different Motorways, the police were there to
try and keep the peace, but what lost the police credibility,
was when they brought cups of water and tea to the ones
who had glued themselves to the roadway!

Mike.
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What do you wanna bet the glue they used was a petroleum product?

You know those orange vests with the glow-strips on them that demonstrators often wear? Made with a petroleum product. Some of the banners they use, the synthetic cloth ones; petroleum. Their sneakers, their phones and iPods, their eye glasses and sunglasses and those rain ponchos some of 'em wear, all that stuff contains petroleum and petroleum by-products.

And they have no idea.
 
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dilettante said:
Sounds to me like a big "Shut up, sit down, go home, and let the monied interests and foreign influencers have their stinking way."
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"Stinking way." Now there's an appropriate description. Back in my student days in the mid 1960's, I shared what we called, a bedsit, with seven other students. Whilst I got on well with them there was lots of banter, they all had a dubious aroma and looked like they could do with a decent hot bath, I was the scrubbed up student.

The other stink that permeated the place was the obnoxious smell of waccy baccy that they would pass around. At the time it seemed to me that to be a demonstrator, which is what they were all but professional at, you had to be, unwashed, indulge in illegal substances and be politically, left wing.

Mike mentions, "Ban the Bomb," "Greenpeace," & "Global Warming," what my fellow students achieved, other than a hot bath, was to project an image of an alternative way, which helped win favourable media coverage and secure broader public support for the cause. Following graduation we went our separate ways and I lost touch with all of them. That was a shame, I often wonder what became of them.
 
I have no problem with people demonstrating against issues they feel are important but, unfortunately, particularly in recent times, there is an element of threat and violence.
 
Murrmurr said:
I've been stuck behind demonstrations that blocked traffic. Protestors/demonstrators aren't supposed to infringe on people's normal use of public roads, and I don't understand why there aren't more arrests. In the US, it's a civil violation at the least. I've seen 2 separate videos where they blocked an emergency vehicle, which can be charged as a felony, but I didn't hear about any arrests in those cases either.

What I see on the rise is people protesting against issues they know very little about, if anything at all. And it seems like they're becoming more violent. Or more demonstrations include violence....probably more accurate.
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At Berlin a female teacher was run over by a truck and stuck below, but a lift truck couldn't get to her because of the protesters of the "Last Generation" who blocked the road. The poor woman died. There were no consequences for the protesters at all.
 

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