When men were "men"???? Masculine dominance????

I have never thought highly of Jerry Seinfield, and the more I hear what he says, the lower my respect drops.

You know that old saw about people who demand respect, are usually the ones least worthy of it? That's Seinfield and his ilk. Go join the incels, Jerry, and stop bothering the rest of us.
 

jpstrap said:
Ah yes Paco....my SF VIP antagonist buddy. It means, Paco, to my way of perceiving, that masculinity and femininity are naturally evolved characteristics which serve a purpose in the development of the species. When masculinity is lessened or is prevented from developing or contributing it's purpose, the architecture of the eco system of humanity suffers. When you kill off a number of species from an eco system the whole system suffers. Similarly when a characteristic of the masculinity/femininity architecture is modified or eliminated, the eco system of the development of the species suffers. Very basic stuff.
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While it's true that masculinity and femininity are important characteristics, it's crucial to note that they exist on a spectrum and are not strictly binary. People can exhibit both masculine and feminine traits, and these traits can vary greatly among individuals. Furthermore, the value of a characteristic should not be determined by how much it contributes to the "dominance" of a particular group or system. Instead, we should focus on promoting individuality, respect, and equality, where no characteristic or group is deemed superior or inferior to another. This balanced approach allows for a more inclusive and diverse society, where everyone has the opportunity to thrive and contribute in their unique way.
 
jpstrap said:
I listened to Seinfeld for about 5 minutes a few years ago and had the immediate impression that his sense of humor is at best childish and a bit annoying.
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I've enjoyed the show Seinfeld since it began, in 1989. I like Jerry Seinfeld, but I don't think we could be friends. Seinfeld's humor can be childish and a bit hockie . His recent Netflix show Unfrosted was rife with typical Seinfeld style humor.

jpstrap said:
The feminization of men will be one of the factors contributing to the death of the American society. Just my humble opinion.
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I see masculinity(behavioral) changing, along with the rest of the world, mainly from the progression of technology and the evolution of societies. The growth of fast food as a frequent staple in American's diet has certainly led to obesity, and a decline in testosterone production. Some here have mentioned the presence of plastics and other toxins in the environment and living creatures bodies as contributing to the testosterone decline, as well as other abnormalities. Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men
 
Paco Dennis said:
While it's true that masculinity and femininity are important characteristics, it's crucial to note that they exist on a spectrum and are not strictly binary. People can exhibit both masculine and feminine traits, and these traits can vary greatly among individuals. Furthermore, the value of a characteristic should not be determined by how much it contributes to the "dominance" of a particular group or system. Instead, we should focus on promoting individuality, respect, and equality, where no characteristic or group is deemed superior or inferior to another. This balanced approach allows for a more inclusive and diverse society, where everyone has the opportunity to thrive and contribute in their unique way.
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It's quite obvious to me you are trying to promote an agenda here. Your use of the words "dominance" and "superiority" are irrelevant to my point. I am done responding to your posts. I am here to contribute and learn, not to quibble or spread propaganda.
 
helenbacque said:
When men were men? Masculine dominance?

This time you speak of … Was this that time before the “ me too “ movement or was it when the lives of many prominent men were disrupted when their misconduct was publicly revealed?
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Or maybe he means the time when Happy Wife meant Happy Life; when it was up to the man to work his arse off for 30 to 50 years even if his job made him severely depressed, because it was all on him to provide everything for his family, but it was a bit weird for him to hug and kiss his children "too much" no matter how much he loved them, and many bosses would fire him just for requesting a holiday off to spend it with his family or a day to be with his wife or kid because they were sick or even in the hospital, and in a divorce she got the kids, the house, and half the money he worked for like 98% of the time.
Those times, maybe.
 
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hollydolly said:
exactly , they have no more or no less worth saying than the pan-handler on the highway....
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Exactly. In my area we have two talk radio personalities who pontificate on all sorts of subjects they obviously don’t know much about. Worse, their show producer also chips in all too often. He is stupider than the show hosts are, and, IMO, is a shining example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. IE, people who know little about a subject, but talk as though they are experts because they are too stupid to know how ignorant they are.

Before you say “Brookswood you idiot! Why then do you listen to these people?” Twice a week they have a two local and state news reporters on their show, who actually are experienced and know quite a bit about state politics. I listed to hear them, not the show hosts. Sometimes, I can’t get back to the radio fast enough to turn it off when the knowledgable reporters are finished.

Back to masculinity, I think there are two fake versions of masculinity that hurt men and the women in their lives. One is the overbearing brute, jerk of a man whom we see all too often in old movies and sadly in real life. The other is Mr. Nice Guy who is afraid to be himself and respectfully assert himself to women for fear of not winning their favor. Both are a bad image to project. Especially to women a guy may want for a mate.
 
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My dad was a man's man. He spent his entire career in the U.S. Army fighting in 2 wars and acting as an aide to the Colonel in one other war before retiring. After that, he worked for the DOD for his last 3 years before retirement. My dad said he didn't miss out on much on the battlefields.

I often wondered how he could be so hard, yet around mom, he was a pussycat. Around the house it was like my mom saying, "Bob, would you please run to the store and get me a half gallon of 2% milk." Dad would quickly head out the door and come back with a gallon of milk and never bring it up or bat an eyelash about going.
 
oldman said:
I often wondered how he could be so hard, yet around mom, he was a pussycat. Around the house it was like my mom saying, "Bob, would you please run to the store and get me a half gallon of 2% milk." Dad would quickly head out the door and come back with a gallon of milk and never bring it up or bat an eyelash about going.
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He didn't love the people on the battlefield. That's the difference. And yes, that's definitely a real man.
 
oldman said:
My dad was a man's man. He spent his entire career in the U.S. Army fighting in 2 wars and acting as an aide to the Colonel in one other war before retiring. After that, he worked for the DOD for his last 3 years before retirement. My dad said he didn't miss out on much on the battlefields.

I often wondered how he could be so hard, yet around mom, he was a pussycat. Around the house it was like my mom saying, "Bob, would you please run to the store and get me a half gallon of 2% milk." Dad would quickly head out the door and come back with a gallon of milk and never bring it up or bat an eyelash about going.
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Years ago I knew a guy who was a retired Marine. Tough stuff right! Then he worked for some super secret government security agency that he could never tell me about since he would then have to kill me, preferably with his bare hands. Yet, one day I see him with his wife and sister at the shopping mall carry all their packages of goodies looking like a lowly servant trailing his masters.
 
CallMeKate said:
Graphic details in Diane Cilento's autobiography. :mad:
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yes I'm sure... altho' I've never read it... but we women who've suffered at the hands of wife beaters, know that if a man actually admits to hitting a woman.. then you can be sure he's only admitting to a tiny fraction of what he's done...

My soon2bex.. flatly denied he's done anything at all.despite the police cataloguing the bruising..
 
I have watched Seinfeld for long whiles - and there is Seinfeld as he may very well be in real life - don't know never met him and socialized personally and then Seinfeld on his TV series and then his stage shows - that's all I've seen. Must say never touched a woman in my life in anger - that's how I was brought up. But I have never regarded Seinfield as overtly masculine in his shows - Elaine always I think has the upper hand with all of them in the show and does a great job at it. Great relationships with his tv parents etc.

What he is saying now - maybe an ageing geriatric who knows but everything on seinfeld was to me comedy and good friends with both Elaine and the various girlfriends in and out of bed?
 

When men were "men"???? Masculine dominance????​


Well, I have to admit it, I once tried to dominate a lady, well sort of, but she clicked her tongue muscles into gear and reduced me to a snivelling wreck.... and it didn't half hurt. 😊
 
I don't think the "feminization" of men is the current issue. The issues are that 60% of college grads are now women, many are now independent and no longer need men and they now have the ability to swipe right or left on a dating app, dismissing the guys that are less attractive or successful.

The issue has become that these young men feel left behind. It makes them angry Incels who take it out in the form of violence or just never doing anything with their lives. They feel defeated, not feminine.

BTW, this issue has nothing to do with the success of women. They have taken the liberty of making successes of their lives. It has to do with the lack of ambition in many young men.
 

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