Gay Pride Month... Part 2

Never could understand all the angst over gay people and trying to bash them with religion all while claiming to be christian. According to the bible, god created everything. According to christ, hating is a sin. Ferpetessake, there are even gay animals. I had a rooster who ignored the hens to keep company for 3 years with a drake. Maybe you should leave others alone til you can prove YOU are perfect and worthy to judge. And just for the record, no, I am not gay, just a reasonable thinking human and not even christian
 

It sure is interesting how quickly this thread, meant to celebrate gay equality, devolved into the usual anti-Christian bigotry that infests this board.

I think @fuzzybuddy started it on post#3 saying, out of the blue, "For some, "Gay Pride" means the Bible is not the law of the land."
Who on this thread said it was? Why bring up the Bible at all?

I thought gay pride meant people coming out of the closet to live freely without social or legal discrimination. Until the 1960-70's gay people who lived openly could be arrested and jailed, they could be discharged from the military, psychiatrists believed they were mentally ill. None of this had anything to do with Christianity.
 
that's fine Della - as long as we don't have people jumping in with their religious objections and 'the Bible says this against gays' - because if so, they can hardly complain about the bible being brought into it.

And oldaunt is right - we do have vocal anti gay people using their religion to justify that - not in this thread but IRL.

Not sure why Churchill, socialism and such have been brought in either :whistle:
 

January said:
that's fine Della - as long as we don't have people jumping in with their religious objections and 'the Bible says this against gays' - because if so, they can hardly complain about the bible being brought into it.

And oldaunt is right - we do have vocal anti gay people using their religion to justify that - not in this thread but IRL.

Not sure why Churchill, socialism and such have been brought in either :whistle:
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I know no one had said a single thing about what the Bible said before fuzzybuddy did. Until then the thread was just about gay pride when he decided to say gay pride meant the Bible was not the law of the land. As if it ever was. The "jumping in about religion" was done by the anti-Christian bigots.

Yes out IRL there are people who use religion against gays and people who think the moon landing is fake news and a thousand other off the wall ideas. We shouldn't have to defend ones who are not here. Who actually are here? People who take every opportunity to blame Christians for everything. Bringing up Leviticus in that West Wing clip? No one ever mentions that Leviticus is part of the Torah and believed by Orthodox Jews. Nope it's only Christians who get blamed for things said over 2000 years ago and rules that applied only to a certain time and place.

Bigotry, sweeping generalizations, and prejudice are ugly things no matter who they're aimed against. I belong to a Lutheran/Episcopalian church with a gay bishop, the congregation of the Presbyterian church in this town is about half gay. More and more Christian denominations are supporting gay marriage all the time. Pretty soon you're going to have to find some different reasons to hate Christians.
 
MarkinPhx said:
When I was a teen I fell into the "anti gay" mob mentality that most boys at that age did at the time. We called any boy who didn't seem to fit in different horrible slurs with connotations that they were gay (whether they were or not). Of course the mob mentality was propelled from outside factors including the PE teachers who would do the same thing with kids who did not appear to fit in to what was considered to be "manly". TV shows at the time helped propel that mentality. There were many outside factors that helped propel that mentality. I am not proud of the behavior but it is true that I was that way.


Once I started college I started to meet students who were gay and I got to know them, the stereotypes about gay people that I had as a teen started to disappear. And when I entered the workplace I did start meeting even more people of both genders who were gay and it eventually I got to the point where the sexual identity of a person didn't matter to me anymore to me. I came to the conclusion that those who were gay deserved all the joy, happiness, heartaches and sadness that heterosexual people do. And they deserved all the opportunities that those who are not gay do.

I can only speak for myself but the month does not bother me at all. Like I said, I am not proud of the way I behaved when I was a teen. I know that there are some who are gay and around my age who had to put up with a lot of verbal abuse when they were teens and perhaps years after that. And that abuse was a day to day thing, not just for one month.
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Mark, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.

Ironically, I also hated gay people as a child and into my teens and even made fun of some, even though I knew I was attracted to men. But growing up in the Baptist church I learned to hate myself, have low self-esteem and keep myself closeted and more "masculine". I had long-term girlfriends in high school and college but finally decided it would have been a disservice to either if I married one. I'm still in touch with my high school girlfriend. She is happily married now with grown children, which is what she deserves.

I recently read a book by a psychologist that addresses the rage inside gay men that makes some promiscuous because they are looking for affirmation, makes some catty as a self-defense mechanism because they've been made fun of and makes some work harder to prove themselves. I'm happy I had the third trait because I worked hard and created a comfortable life for myself.

I would have loved to have been "out and proud" like today's youth because I would have had a much better life when I was younger. Instead, I always felt "less than" and hated myself because of my feelings and they way I'd been taught. Just glad I was able to reconcile those feelings, create a happy life and no longer be triggered by what others think.

I know you've had to overcome a lot in your life so perhaps that, along with knowing gay people, has made you more empathic. Again, thank you.
 
oldaunt said:
Never could understand all the angst over gay people and trying to bash them with religion all while claiming to be christian. According to the bible, god created everything. According to christ, hating is a sin. Ferpetessake, there are even gay animals. I had a rooster who ignored the hens to keep company for 3 years with a drake. Maybe you should leave others alone til you can prove YOU are perfect and worthy to judge. And just for the record, no, I am not gay, just a reasonable thinking human and not even christian
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You are right, oldaunt, they are not for me to judge, they may do what they like with their lives as long as it is legal. Karma will see to them and me. BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE OUR CHILDREN.
 
Della said:
know no one had said a single thing about what the Bible said before fuzzybuddy did. Until then the thread was just about gay pride when he decided to say gay pride meant the Bible was not the law of the lan
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Well up until then, other than the OP, the thread consisted of one person saying they opposed it.

I know the bible is not the the law of the land but there are religious extremists who want us all to follow their rules.

I know that is not all Christians and made a point of saying exactly that before. I'm glad to hear of your church which sounds much more accepting than many.

I don't hate Christians at all, although I no longer see myself as one. I do have a strong dislike of funadamentalist judgemental religious types.
 
gruntlabor said:
:) Needn't bother to roll your eyes at me, I am too dense to be insulted, will stand where I am until I die, and too tired of you to engage ever again in your endless blind liberal persuasion. Otherwise I am sure you are a perfectly darling human being.
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Well that seems rather rude.

If you are tired of me, you can put me on ignore if you want.

And you still haven't answered the question.
 
January said:
Well that seems rather rude.

If you are tired of me, you can put me on ignore if you want.

And you still haven't answered the question.
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1. :) Yes, it seemed rude to me too, but I'm Irish, I'm used to it.

2. I did not mean 'tired' in the way that it sounded. I meant that you are exhausting. Have you forgotten our past adventures? No, don't answer that. As I have already explained, I will seriously try not to engage with you again. You repeat the same points endlessly, allowing no end to the 'discussion', and here we go again!

3. The answer to your question, madam: Obviously 'they' meant the gay community. And now no more, please.
 
You can put me on ignore if you like and you are free to not engage, in fact please don't if you are only going to post rude remarks about me - I dont sink to that level myself so I wont retaliate - but I don't stop posting when you say so.

Gay people aren't after anyone's children any more than straight people are - I'm sure most people, gay and straight, want children to grow up understanding and accepting diversity and differences
Pretty simple really.
 
transgendering is a separate topic.

There is no 'gay lifestyle' - gay people have different lifestyles just as straight people do, your sexuality doesn't define everything else about you.

Children are not being persuaded t o be gay, any more than they are being persuaded to be straight.
 
One may dabble in bi-sexuality, but sex is sex and most of us end up choosing straight; if not, it's not up to me. I've known gay folks all my life. My dad worked with a designer named Benny who my dad liked and respected, but called him a 'fairy' cause that's what was said way back in the fifties. I remember Benny had surgery for hemorrhoids and my dad explained it had to do with Benny being a 'fagala.' (pronounced fay ga la)

I've always loved gay men. They love men. I love men. See, we've got something important in common!
 
Well that is an intellectual contribution but I thought you weren't engaging with me.:rolleyes:

No it isn't my opinion that gay people have various lifestyles, it is simple fact. They aren't one homogeneous mass who all live the same way ( aka lifestyle) any more than straight people are.

I see why there is a need for gay pride , or how far there still is to go, when people have paranoid assumptions about gays trying to persuade children into anything.
 
Della said:
It sure is interesting how quickly this thread, meant to celebrate gay equality, devolved into the usual anti-Christian bigotry that infests this board.

I think @fuzzybuddy started it on post#3 saying, out of the blue, "For some, "Gay Pride" means the Bible is not the law of the land."
Who on this thread said it was? Why bring up the Bible at all?

I thought gay pride meant people coming out of the closet to live freely without social or legal discrimination. Until the 1960-70's gay people who lived openly could be arrested and jailed, they could be discharged from the military, psychiatrists believed they were mentally ill. None of this had anything to do with Christianity.
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The reason there were laws where gays could be arrested, jailed, discharged from the service, and were considered mentally ill, is that the Bible, and Christianity said homosexuality was a sin. Religion is not a silent witness to gay oppression; it is a major component of it.
 
gruntlabor said:
(sigh) When I said, "THEY MAY NOT HAVE OUR CHILDREN", *I was speaking of our children being persuaded to the gay lifestyle.*
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Well there you go fuzzing at the bung...
As part of my community services training and diversity in particular I was part of a team who did a presentation on the challenges of LGBTQIA+ youth growing up and coming to terms with their 'humanity'.
Firstly society is still very hostile towards the LGBTQIA+ sector.
Additionally despite being lumped together as a group they are a series of separate groups with their own similarities, differences and conflicts.
I came to the conclusion that no child would 'choose' to be in any sector just for the fun of it. I didn't find anything to support the notion that kids 'are being persuaded to the gay lifestyle'. I believe that the LGBTQIA+ sector has been a part humanity for a long time but has never previously been this close to the public eye. As the public has become more aware of our sexual and gender diversity so has acceptance and bigotry stepped forward.
So for now, nuff said.šŸ˜œ
 

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