Is no-one to be trusted any more ?

hollydolly

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On my neighbourhood App... someone is pleading for people to look out for a bike that was stolen from their property ( not my area, but North London ).. and they have the video of the thief on their Ring Doorbell... .. the thief was a female... but she was also their deliveroo. driver.

Apparently she delivered food, then drove off after stealing their bike...:eek:.. they called the company, showing the footage and she was immediately sacked but requests to them to get her to return the bike have been ignored.. ..and the police are not interested...
 

I'd hope the company that had employed the thief contacted the police to demand the bike be returned. Or was it the person who owned the bike who contacted the police? Sometimes business enterprises have a little more clout in requesting things from police.

But I have no idea what your local police are dealing with the days, and it could be they're swamped and involved with some very serious cases & issues. What is your sense of the circumstances, Holly?

I hope the bike is returned.
 
JBR said:
I'd hope the company that had employed the thief contacted the police to demand the bike be returned. Or was it the person who owned the bike who contacted the police? Sometimes business enterprises have a little more clout in requesting things from police.

But I have no idea what your local police are dealing with the days, and it could be they're swamped and involved with some very serious cases & issues. What is your sense of the circumstances, Holly?

I hope the bike is returned.
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She contacted the company deliveroo... showed them the footage, asked them to get her bike back.. they ignored the request but sacked the employee immediately . The victim contacted the police, but the Met police are not interested in stolen bikes..

personally I would go to the media with this and shame the company into at least telling the police where the employee lives..Millions of people in the UK use Deliveroo..I'm sure they wouldn't want this in the media..
 

hollydolly said:
you know some of these bikes now are eye watering prices.. people pay up to £30k for cycle now
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When I was in school I was living on the fringe economically. My bike and buses were my only transportation.

It got ripped off and I scraped together my last cash to replace it with an identical bike, which I again chained up outside my shared apartment window in the same spot. Wasn't long and the thief came along, did a double-take, then turned and saw me watching and fled.

Eventually I did get the original bike back through the police, but it was a stripped wreck by then.

The story was a well known and tired one. People from Detroit got special carve-outs for college outstate. They came and then brought in their (multiple) criminal boyfriends who ran car and bike theft and burglary rings. That was the '70s, things are even worse today as one might expect.
 
dilettante said:
When I was in school I was living on the fringe economically. My bike and buses were my only transportation.

It got ripped off and I scraped together my last cash to replace it with an identical bike, which I again chained up outside my shared apartment window in the same spot. Wasn't long and the thief came along, did a double-take, then turned and saw me watching and fled.

Eventually I did get the original bike back through the police, but it was a stripped wreck by then.

The story was a well known and tired one. People from Detroit got special carve-outs for college outstate. They came and then brought in their (multiple) criminal boyfriends who ran car and bike theft and burglary rings. That was the '70s, things are even worse today as one might expect.
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I mean bike thefts are rampant in the UK..people are blatant at sawing the locks off them in full view of passers by.. because they know the likelihood is nothing is going to happen...to them... but this particular case sticks in the craw because this is an employee that we as consumers are expected to be able to trust on our property
 
hollydolly said:
I mean bike thefts are rampant in the UK..people are blatant at sawing the locks off them in full view of passers by.. because they know the likelihood is nothing is going to happen...to them... but this particular case sticks in the craw because this is an employee that we as consumers are expected to be able to trust on our property
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I was just saying that I'm sympathetic, having lived it.
 
hollydolly said:
no they've sacked the employee immediately but then ignored any further requests from the victim
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I guess there is no "small claims" court over there? We have a court here in PA that if anyone incurs a loss of $12,000 or less may sue the defendant and the claimant does not have to appear in court with an attorney. The claimant may represent himself. I have attended some of these hearings as a witness only. The local magistrate goes through these cases pretty quickly.

If the claimant presents very good evidence, the MDJ (Magisterial District Justice) will find in favor of the claimant and give the defendant 'X' amount of time to make restitution. Failure to do so may result in an arrest of the defendant.
 
This Police Bike sting.. was unusual but maybe prompted by public outcry... but this february past... this happened...

A police sting operation, which involved tracking a stolen 'bait bike' through the streets of London, lead officers to a haul of around £130,000 stolen cycles.

Local bike thefts have fallen 90% over a three-month period since the City of London police operation caught the criminal gang behind the stolen bicycles.

A bicycle fitted with a tracker was stolen in November 2020 and then police traced it to a warehouse in East London.

Police recovered 57 other bikes at the warehouse - being used to dismantle and dispose of the stolen bikes - valued at around £100,000.


CCTV footage caught the gang entering the warehouse on a daily basis and some pulling the bikes apart.

The mastermind behind the bicycle stealing ring, Louey Baldwin, was seen on the footage handing over angle grinders, a common tool used to steal bikes, to the thieves.

Seven members of the gang were sentenced to prison or received a suspended sentence, earlier in February.

Baldwin was sentenced to two years and nine months in jail.

The bike haul is thought to be the single largest recovered by the City of London police force.

Another 21 bikes were found at the home of Suleyman Akram, 30, who has been jailed for two years and six months for selling stolen bikes on auction websites.

During the gang’s criminal spree in August 2020, there were 68 reported bike thefts in the City and following the arrests the number of reported bike thefts in January 2021 fell to seven.

Last year, on average, there were around 19 bike thefts a month, considerably lower than when the gang was operating.
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https://www.itv.com/news/2024-02-26...00-worth-of-stolen-bikes-and-cut-thefts-by-90
 
911 said:
I guess there is no "small claims" court over there? We have a court here in PA that if anyone incurs a loss of $12,000 or less may sue the defendant and the claimant does not have to appear in court with an attorney. The claimant may represent himself. I have attended some of these hearings as a witness only. The local magistrate goes through these cases pretty quickly.

If the claimant presents very good evidence, the MDJ (Magisterial District Justice) will find in favor of the claimant and give the defendant 'X' amount of time to make restitution. Failure to do so may result in an arrest of the defendant.
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yes there is small claims court.. but how can you sue someone when the company won't give their name , or address?
 
Nine years ago we spent a bit of time in several Northern European countries. Copenhagen, like other cities in the region, has an very large population segment (all career types) who depend on bikes for their transportation.

We were out in the central area of Copenhagen one morning, and two men were crossing a street on a crosswalk, just when we were. I heard one speaking English (with a Danish accent) to the other, talking about a huge export traffic in stolen bikes. Naive as we were, we were shocked.
 
hollydolly said:
no they've sacked the employee immediately but then ignored any further requests from the victim
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If they’ve sacked the employee what else can the now former employer do? At least give the name of the miscreant to the police.

I bet if this same kid stole some millionaire‘s £250,000 car the police would go after her.

I see a movie here. Mr. Bikeman vs. Deliveroo and the Police.
 
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JBR said:
Nine years ago we spent a bit of time in several Northern European countries. Copenhagen, like other cities in the region, has an very large population segment (all career types) who depend on bikes for their transportation.

We were out in the central area of Copenhagen one morning, and two men were crossing a street on a crosswalk, just when we were. I heard one speaking English (with a Danish accent) to the other, talking about a huge export traffic in stolen bikes. Naive as we were, we were shocked.
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Holland has a similar problem
 
Brookswood said:
If they’ve sacked the employee what else can the now former employer do?

I bet if this same kid stole some millionaire‘s £250,000 car the police would go after her.

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well all the victim is asking is for them either to reclaim the bike for her.. or to let the police know her address... of course by now that bike will be long sold..I'm sure..
 
hollydolly said:
yes there is small claims court.. but how can you sue someone when the company won't give their name , or address?
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I find that very strange. A good place to start would be the phone number. Take the phone number and try to reverse it to get the company and address. If you give me your home phone number, I could probably get your address, but maybe not your correct name, but I could probably get the name that appears on your phone bill. If you lived here in the U.S. I could get all of your contact information.

Let's say that you have a company here in the U.S. To be in business, you would need to register with the state to collect sales tax and to also pay your taxes, sales and property. The name of your business would have to be registered with the state department of revenue. I could definitely find you and the name of your business through that department. Does your country have a Department of Internal Revenue?

It's weird that you can't get the name of the company. If the police won't help you, you are pretty much on your own.
 

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