Milk is Racist say experts...

VisualBrian said:
It is difficult to control a united people. In order to gain control, you must first divide them. Racism has been the go-to tool for this for many years now, which is why everything is racist.
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I know what divide and conquer means of course.... but who are they hoping to Divide, saying milk is racist ?

I mean... if a white person uses the N word..they are supposedly racist and can get you arrested in the UK ..if a black person uses it.. it's all jolly friends between them...and not racist...

Are they inferring Milk is it's used by a Caucasian would be racist.. but not if it was used by a Non-white ? I mean this is clearly a rhetorical question... but that's the only way I could see it being used to ''Divide and Conquer'' ..but of course that's ridiculous...it couldn't happen
 
Hmm, I understand colonialism and such concepts as institutional racism, but I am having trouble tying any of that into milk production .
...a little off topic: cows are vegetarian, I respect that and love the way they turn all that carbon plant matter into steak
 
Wow, the reactions here to the mere idea of having the research is like a textbook definition of 'white fragility'. I think 'racism' in the terms of the research is kind of like 'cluelessness'.

Can we not imagine being people whose country was taken over by a different culture whose food was not physically digestible by us and then being taught that we had to consume it to be healthy? I remember milk being handed out at snack time to all of us every day in elementary school. We're told we need to give our children milk. We're told we need to drink milk. It is totally ingrained in our culture. But that is because the 'dominant' culture is of people who can digest milk.

I think it is an interesting research topic. I also doubt the implication that the tax dollars are only sourced from people who can digest milk. It sounds like we are saying if you can't digest milk you are not us, you are not valid, research related to your experience is not valid, all tax dollars are attributed to us not you.
 
hollydolly said:
Can things get even more ridiculous ...?

A taxpayer-funded project is set to research connections between milk and colonialism, it was revealed yesterday.

Academics at an Oxford museum will research the 'political nature' of milk and its 'colonial legacies'.

One of the experts involved has previously argued that milk is a 'Northern European obsession' that has been imposed on other parts of the world.

Dr Johanna Zetterstrom-Sharp said the assumption that milk was a key part of the human diet 'may be understood as a white supremacist one', as many populations outside Europe and North America have high levels of lactose intolerance in adulthood.

The new project, 'Milking it: colonialism, heritage & everyday engagement with dairy', has won funding from the Arts and Humanities Research Council.

The council itself is funded by the Government through the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, and awards around £110million to researchers at universities and independent organisations.

The milk project will be based at the History of Science Museum in Oxford, which announced it had received funding. The size of the grant has not yet been revealed.

The museum said: 'By focusing on communities intersecting industry, aid and government regulation, the project aims to centre on heritage as a vital framework for understanding how colonial legacies influence contemporary issues and affect people's lives.

'Through milk diaries, archival research and participatory podcasting, it will investigate historical engagement with milk, building networks with consumers and producers in Britain and Kenya.

'The project will question both the imagined and real aspects of milk, revealing the intimate and political nature of this everyday substance.'

Dr Zetterstrom-Sharp, a University College London associate professor at the Institute of Archaeology, and Dr JC Niala, head of research at the History of Science Museum.
Experts asking whether milk is racist in tax-payer funded project
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A taxpayer funded project? Why do the taxpayers put up with this nonsense? I may not drink much milk, but I am sure glad it's around when one of my recipes calls for it. So I will have to be politically incorrect regarding milk and its antecedents.
 
chic said:
A taxpayer funded project? Why do the taxpayers put up with this nonsense? I may not drink much milk, but I am sure glad it's around when one of my recipes calls for it. So I will have to be politically incorrect regarding milk and its antecedents.
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I wish to God we had some say in it as Taxpayers.. but we don't get one..it's like legalised theft of taxpayers money
 
HoneyNut said:
Wow, the reactions here to the mere idea of having the research is like a textbook definition of 'white fragility'. I think 'racism' in the terms of the research is kind of like 'cluelessness'.

Can we not imagine being people whose country was taken over by a different culture whose food was not physically digestible by us and then being taught that we had to consume it to be healthy? I remember milk being handed out at snack time to all of us every day in elementary school. We're told we need to give our children milk. We're told we need to drink milk. It is totally ingrained in our culture. But that is because the 'dominant' culture is of people who can digest milk.

I think it is an interesting research topic. I also doubt the implication that the tax dollars are only sourced from people who can digest milk. It sounds like we are saying if you can't digest milk you are not us, you are not valid, research related to your experience is not valid, all tax dollars are attributed to us not you.
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I don't think it's racist. Maybe ignorant that lots of cultures are lactose intolerant.
 
HoneyNut said:
Wow, the reactions here to the mere idea of having the research is like a textbook definition of 'white fragility'. I think 'racism' in the terms of the research is kind of like 'cluelessness'.

Can we not imagine being people whose country was taken over by a different culture whose food was not physically digestible by us and then being taught that we had to consume it to be healthy? I remember milk being handed out at snack time to all of us every day in elementary school. We're told we need to give our children milk. We're told we need to drink milk. It is totally ingrained in our culture. But that is because the 'dominant' culture is of people who can digest milk.

I think it is an interesting research topic. I also doubt the implication that the tax dollars are only sourced from people who can digest milk. It sounds like we are saying if you can't digest milk you are not us, you are not valid, research related to your experience is not valid, all tax dollars are attributed to us not you.
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hang on our country wasn't taken over by a different culture unless you want to count the Romans, and many of us are Lactose Intolerant.. who do WE blame ?... it's beyond ridiculous !
 
VisualBrian said:
It's not about the milk, obviously. It's about keeping race in the people's face.
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Perhaps, but only by those making the claim. In this case, the fault lies with the source - which is a tabloid newspaper. A newspaper that clearly knows how to rile up it's readership. The phrase "milk is racist" is invented by the "journalist", and is not a quote from the study. It's just clickbait.
 
Yeah this is why I put no stock into govts and what is deemed science anymore. Everything is offending someone or something. Cancel culture, censoring, racsim and so on, clearly shows that society as a whole is lost. The Asch experiments, the Milgram experiments, the Stanford prison experiments etc and a host of others showed us way back then, that society was on the way down the other side of the bell curve. We reached our peak and its a freefall.
 
Tazx said:
Yeah this is why I put no stock into govts and what is deemed science anymore. Everything is offending someone or something. Cancel culture, censoring, racsim and so on, clearly shows that society as a whole is lost. The Asch experiments, the Milgram experiments, the Stanford prison experiments etc and a host of others showed us way back then, that society was on the way down the other side of the bell curve. We reached our peak and its a freefall.
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You say all that because an academic wants to study the history of milk production? The study itself makes no claim for social justice, of any blame or accusation being thrown out. It apparently seeks to know the history of milk in the context of colonialism. I think rather than complain as you have, you could maybe spend time thinking about why such a simple thing is triggering. In this case, people are being triggered by a tabloid headline.
 
VaughanJB said:
You say all that because an academic wants to study the history of milk production? The study itself makes no claim for social justice, of any blame or accusation being thrown out. It apparently seeks to know the history of milk in the context of colonialism. I think rather than complain as you have, you could maybe spend time thinking about why such a simple thing is triggering. In this case, people are being triggered by a tabloid headline.
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I think you are taking incorrectly and a bit too far. I meant that no matter what the outcome of any study, good or bad, somebody somewhere throws in racism, discrimination etc, etc, etc. Society as a whole will never have true science cause we are too divided.
 
Tazx said:
I think you are taking incorrectly and a bit too far. I meant that no matter what the outcome of any study, good or bad, somebody somewhere throws in racism, discrimination etc, etc, etc. Society as a whole will never have true science cause we are too divided.
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Let's be clear here.

No expert said milk was racist. None. That's a fabrication from a tabloid newspaper to get people worked up. That it's completely untrue doesn't seem to bother people very much, which frankly is what *I* see as the real problem.

Secondly, this is academic research. How are we to know things, without research? Lactose intolerance is actually interesting, there has to be some explanation as to why people of an East Asian descent are lactose intolerant, no? Now, to our normal lives, who cares? However, if you're an academic, it's a topic of interest. Why are we happy to bash those willing to do the work?
 
hollydolly said:
Doesn't it get on your nerves when someone dismisses fact because it was reported in a ''Tabloid''... like it's not been reported anywhere :rolleyes:else....
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Not at all. Some of us think about what we're reading, others just get outraged. I mentioned the tabloid here (though haven't named it) because that is where the quote came from. What's strange about that? The thread is literally a quote from one source. It's headline is an out and out lie. :D
 
VaughanJB said:
Let's be clear here.

No expert said milk was racist. None. That's a fabrication from a tabloid newspaper to get people worked up. That it's completely untrue doesn't seem to bother people very much, which frankly is what *I* see as the real problem.

Secondly, this is academic research. How are we to know things, without research? Lactose intolerance is actually interesting, there has to be some explanation as to why people of an East Asian descent are lactose intolerant, no? Now, to our normal lives, who cares? However, if you're an academic, it's a topic of interest. Why are we happy to bash those willing to do the work?
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No ones bashing anyone who is doing the work. I was bashing the garbage that turn things into racism, discrimination etc.

But...I take no offense to you continuing to put out that I am being negative, as I stated that I may have misworded my response to the OP. I stated what I meant in the follow up, but it seems to me like you won't let it go. Fair enough, your right to do so. But I am done responding to this as I have already made it clear. Let it go.
 
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