Passenger plane crash in Brazil, 62 on board

Had a friend at DePaul University who drove a morgue vehicle during the day. When the plane crashed at O'Hara (mid '60s), he was sent to transport bodies. He told me that you sure feel bad for the victims of the crash. But, he said, I also feel bad for the emergency personnel that "extricate" the bodies.
 
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A flat spin, when the center of gravity shifts to the tail and the aircraft's rotation becomes more horizontal. Not enough height to get lift and recover. OH was in RAF.
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Some are saying online that the plane wasn't loaded right with poor weight distribution where the load shifted. Could be cargo wasn't secured either.

Probably an older plane that completed many flights but did the flight and/or ground crews?
 
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Eight cancer doctors were among the 62 passengers and crew who died when a Brazilian airliner plunged dramatically from the sky and exploded in a fireball.

Six leading oncologists and two resident medics, in their final year of training, were on their way from their home city of Cascavel to a cancer conference in Sao Paulo when the twin-engine turboprop ATR 72-500 VoePass Airline flight crashed into a gated community killing all on board on Friday.

Eduardo Baptistella of the Regional Medical Council said: 'Unfortunately we received very sad news and were able to confirm the death of eight doctors. The doctors were going to an oncology conference. These were people who dedicated their lives to saving others.'

Some of the doctors' names began to emerge last night including radiologist Leonel Ferreira, pediatric cancer expert Sarah Stella and Silvia Osaki.

Mr Baptistella said 15 doctors had been scheduled to take the two-hour doomed flight but seven had taken an earlier plane.
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Six leading oncologists and two resident medics, in their final year of training, were on their way from their home city of Cascavel to a cancer conference in Sao Paulo when the plane crashed

Eight cancer doctors among the 62 dead on doomed Brazil flight
 
I have been trying to find out as much as I can and I also checked the weather reports for that time of day. I guess there is a slight possibility of a little icing on the wings. Also,I guess there is a possibility of engine failure.

Just to see that plane fall out of the sky really has me a bit confused.
 
What a tragedy. I bet the passengers were terrified realizing they were going to die. I saw a news report a couple of days ago that someone bringing a lawsuit against the Titanic expedition sub stated that the passengers experienced terror when they realized, due to system failures, that the vessel was about to implode.
 
It appears that the plane was barely moving horizontally and then started falling/spinning vertically. That seems pretty strange as I would expect the plane to continue on a horizontal plain, albeit falling. I'm not certain, but just to stay in the air would take a ground speed of 150 mph plus, so to have it fall (apparently) straight down "like a spinning rock" doesn't seem possible. Obviously, I'm missing some principals of aerodynamics here. Can anyone enlighten me?
 
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It appears that the plane was barely moving horizontally and then started falling/spinning vertically. That seems pretty strange as I would expect the plane to continue on a horizontal plain, albeit falling. I'm not certain, but just to stay in the air would take a ground speed of 150 mph plus, so to have it fall (apparently) straight down "like a spinning rock" doesn't seem possible. Obviously, I'm missing some principals of aerodynamics here. Can anyone enlighten me?
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They didnā€™t have a lot of altitude when the plane started to spin, which means the pilot didnā€™t have much time to recover.
John Cox, who was formerly with th FAA as a crash investigator, is also having a problem determining how the plane just fell out of the sky.

I would think the plane went into a stall. Did the wings have a bit if ice on them, did the nose go up, was there engine failure, were the pilots distracted? The black boxes were going to be investigated last night and today.

We may know more after the CVR and the FDR are opened and looked at.

I was talking to one of our posters (oldman) that had flown for United and he told me he fully believes the plane stalled. As he explains it when the plane stalls, the nose goes up and then the air cannot flow over the wings, which is what keeps the plane in the air.
 
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911 said:
They didnā€™t have a lot of altitude when the plane started to spin, which means the pilot didnā€™t have much time to recover.
John Cox, who was formerly with th FAA as a crash investigator, is also having a problem determining how the plane just fell out of the sky.

I would think the plane went into a stall. Did the wings have a bit if ice on them, did the nose go up, was there engine failure, were the pilots distracted? The black boxes were going to be investigated last night and today.

We may know more after the CVR and the FDR are opened and looked at.

I was talking to one of our posters (oldman) that had flown for United and he told me he fully believes the plane stalled. As he explains it when the plane stalls, the nose goes up and then the air cannot flow over the wings, which is what keeps the plane in the air.
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I heard a flight expert on the news say it was a stall - he had a very specific name for it which I donā€™t remember. Something about the engines were on but not generating enough energy to help create lift which is needed to get the plane to rise and fly forward instead of fall and spin.
Very sad day and such a shocking video which is why I think itā€™s affecting so many.
 
911 said:
They didnā€™t have a lot of altitude when the plane started to spin, which means the pilot didnā€™t have much time to recover.
John Cox, who was formerly with th FAA as a crash investigator, is also having a problem determining how the plane just fell out of the sky.

I would think the plane went into a stall. Did the wings have a bit if ice on them, did the nose go up, was there engine failure, were the pilots distracted? The black boxes were going to be investigated last night and today.

We may know more after the CVR and the FDR are opened and looked at.

I was talking to one of our posters (oldman) that had flown for United and he told me he fully believes the plane stalled. As he explains it when the plane stalls, the nose goes up and then the air cannot flow over the wings, which is what keeps the plane in the air.
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I'm still checking with the FAA for any information, but they won't release anything until Brazil makes an announcement after they have completed reading the CVR and the FDR. We will just have to hang on and wait until Brazil makes their announcement.
 
Still no updates on what caused the crash. Itā€™s bad enough that we lost 58 passengers, plus 4 members of the flight crew. Two were young children and I believe eight cancer doctors were also onboard. This makes it a huge loss. Any and all plane crashes are horrible. Many families are effected and the mourning can last for a long period of time.

I pray for comfort of the families.
 
No final answer as of today. They have concluded that the plane most likely went into an aerodynamic stall, which means that that the plane either went nose up or nose down, which interrupts the airflow over the wings, which is what gives the plane its lift.

What they need to find out now is why did the plane act the way it did? Why did it go nose up or nose down? As I stated early in posting, icing is a good answer, just not necessarily the correct one.
 
Donā€™t expect a quick answer from the NTSB. Since this accident wasnā€™t in the U.S. and the plane wasnā€™t built in the U.S., Brazil may or may not allow anyone from the NTSB to stick their nose in.
 
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I didnā€™t specialize in airplane accidents, but a family friendā€™s son who worked for an electronics company here in the U.S. was flying on an Air India flight that departed from Montreal where he had just completed a week of training people on an assembly machine at another electronics plant. The plane blew up by a bomb over the Atlantic Ocean with no survivors. The plane was a Boeing 747 with 307 passengers and 22 crew onboard. He was flying to Delhi to train people there on another assembly machine.

The family asked if I would represent them in a lawsuit, but not having any experience in airline accidents, I referred them to an attorney that I had worked with in D.C. I was still working for the government at the time and that may have been a conflict of interest since it was an international event. The lady attorney in D.C.that I referred the family to was a very successful Counsel while representing people injured or worse in airplane accidents.

After the family hired her, six more clients also hired on. Yes, she made a large sum of money and was nice enough to share some of her fee with me for referring her to the family.
 

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