I say leave well enough alone. Do we really believe it couldn't have become anywhere worse than what it already has become? Would I have been more savy on the way back there? That's even though I agree with you.
Cultural revolution of the 1960s
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I understand what you are saying but the ultimate decision/choice rests with each of us.
Nothing can change the past, accept it and move on.
Maybe the guys have been have been squeezing the wrong fruits. Not every good thing can be bought.
And what is your idea about what men are offering to women. You might still be living in the wrong century and getting confused.
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What kind of consequences should women expect to get if they do what they want?
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dilettante
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Aww, nothing like the sort of woman who gives a man peace.
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I don't know what you're saying exactly except that somehow you're seeking something that you have never found. Does she really even exist in your universe? Are you chasing what's not there? I want to say that it's a two-way street. Can you supply what you want in return? How about Like attracts Like? You're making it sound like what you're seeking is little more than a transactional relationship.
"A transactional relationship is one where each person does things for the other, expecting to get something in return. It's give and take with a bit of quid pro quo. Each person is willing to help the other out—as long as the favor is returned immediately or sometime down the line."
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dilettante
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I dont think these things are mutually exclusive with women having more freedom, independence and choices.
However I would much rather the situation today where women can buy their own things and look after themselves and relationships can be equal.
That doesn't mean partners cant buy flowers, candy or whatever for each other if they want to.
Good God! That man is looking like he's working himself into having a stroke. Maybe to acquire some sympathy from those hard nosed women? There are easier ways. Like most women actually do like most men. Only a few of the male tribe is trying to
make everyone look bad, as in if you can't beat 'em, then join 'em. More power in a large group of the disgruntled because they can't find any perfect women. So criticize and dump them all.
You use that term a lot. Has that any equivalency to shriveled up old guys? (Remember now, you started it.)
dilettante
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Well you sure told me.
Enjoy those cats and your boxed wine.
Enjoy those cats and your boxed wine.
The consequences anyone can run into while being free. Nothing in particular. When you leave your nest and spread your wings be prepared to meet eagles.
@Candi1
"My mother had an old saying: "men aren't going to buy the cow as long as they get free milk". Mom was very old-fashioned and I didn't listen to her but experience has taught me that she was right."
My mother said the same thing, Candi! Experience taught me that she was WRONG.
I used to wonder if we all had the same mother, who goes from home to home spreading this type of "wisdom." Silly thought! My proof was: "Well, we've never seen our moms together!" Silly thought!
"My mother had an old saying: "men aren't going to buy the cow as long as they get free milk". Mom was very old-fashioned and I didn't listen to her but experience has taught me that she was right."
My mother said the same thing, Candi! Experience taught me that she was WRONG.
I used to wonder if we all had the same mother, who goes from home to home spreading this type of "wisdom." Silly thought! My proof was: "Well, we've never seen our moms together!" Silly thought!
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I was thinking, you know that old saying "You kiss a lot of frogs before.........." I was thinking that I have been some guys frog, too.
I'm 75, Candi. I know, I can't believe it either! My wooing days now revolve around myself! What do I want? How can I love me today and show it?
"Well, yes, duh, obviously I was"
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I was thinking, you know that old saying "You kiss a lot of frogs before.........." I was thinking that I have been some guys frog, too.
I'm 75, Candi. I know, I can't believe it either! My wooing days now revolve around myself! What do I want? How can I love me today and show it?
MaidMarian
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LinkAw heck... the kitchen tub. Yep, I remember now.
pleaseYou got it! I kissed enough frogs to start a frog colony. For the first time in my life, after my husband died, I started thinking about what I want, not what my partners wanted, not what society expects me to be. I am happy not dating and no longer having to perform and play the silly games.
Just curious - what do you value in a woman and why do you think they put too high a price on that value. Should women value themselves? Please elaborate on your comment on postmenopausal women. Is a woman less valuable once she goes through menopause? Why should it mae any difference whatsoever? Let's reverse your last question: what's in it for her?
Very good question: what are men offering women that at least some of us are finding out we get along just fine without them?
I wonder what their idea of a perfect woman is? Are they offering perfection as a man in return?
Love your reply. If I were to ever consider dating again (which I'm definitely not), it wouldn't be with some shriveled up old guy who expects me to wait on him hand and foot and to be a tiger in bed. What is that old guy offering us women? Been there, done that.
Enjoy your porno and your fantasies. Maybe someday you'll find a real live woman even if she is postmenopausal.
Except for my late husband, I hadn't ever found a man of decency, integrity and empathy and even he was pretty short on empathy.
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JBR
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There's nothing wrong with casting the question the way Candi1 put it in the first post. People have been able to air their thoughts & feelings. But it set things off in the direction of short expressions/statements centered on sex life and respect (or lack of it) for women, etc.
I can remember that period and think about it and its outcome from that angle. But I don't think that represents the spectrum of what the counterculture and its influences on society were. (Not that I could write the book on that big topic.)
I can remember that period and think about it and its outcome from that angle. But I don't think that represents the spectrum of what the counterculture and its influences on society were. (Not that I could write the book on that big topic.)