gruntlabor
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lol, no
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Do you claim a fish as your ancestor?
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gruntlabor
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One might fear that the source of the above is the devil.
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Because many people believe something does not make it true. That is the argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Not quite sure what point you are making here.
Clearly many christian people do accept evolution therefore it is not incompatible with their christian beliefs.
My statement isnt a statement about whether evolution or christianity or both or neither is true - but about the fact that many people do believe in both and do not find this incompatible, just because OP finds it so.
gruntlabor
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Indeed, sir, you are mistaken, there is a way. Matrix will know. We shall see whether he deletes your membership or not.
I sincerely hope that you remain with us.
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It isn't merely me, as you claim, it is the founder of Christianity himself, Jesus Christ who finds such a claim to be false because it is incompatible with what he and all the Apostles taught.
Calling Jesus a liar in reference to believing the Genesis account as historical fact is not evidence that a person follows Him.
John 8:32 ESV
And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
It is evidence that the person follows his enemy, the Devil.
Jesus mentioned such imposters in the following way.
| Matthew 7:21 ► |
| “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. |
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Thanks for the advice and I know that you mean well when you offer it. But please note that I am not under any severe psychological distress while discussing these things. If anyone is, however, then it's best that the person not participate.
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How does any of that change the fact that if Jesus was indeed real, he'd of had the same DNA structure as the rest of us, and therefore, was indeed, evolved from a fish? In fact, if we are made in God's imagine, then God too must have evolved from a fish, or at least, shares a good amount of DNA with a fish.
This stuff really isn't anything to do with religion. DNA is real. We are learning every day, but have already come to conclusions on parts of it. So either God just invented DNA, reusing bit of a fishes DNA, or we're created in his image, and he's evolved from fish too.
VaughanJB
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Again, you fall back to quoting the Bible as evidence of something, without first proving the veracity of the Bible itself. Actually, I'm curious, who wrote the quote you give? What did they do? Where did they get this information? From what was it derived?
I know exactly what you are referring to and the conclusions being reached based on it are debatable because there are alternative explanations available. Of course, and not surprisingly, the explanation chosen by atheists and false Christians, are the anti biblical explanations which support their anti biblical views. Or are you claiming that persons calling Jesus a delusional liar are true Christians?How does any of that change the fact that if Jesus was indeed real, he'd of had the same DNA structure as the rest of us, and therefore, was indeed, evolved from a fish? In fact, if we are made in God's imagine, then God too must have evolved from a fish, or at least, shares a good amount of DNA with a fish.
This stuff really isn't anything to do with religion. DNA is real. We are learning every day, but have already come to conclusions on parts of it. So either God just invented DNA, reusing bit of a fishes DNA, or we're created in his image, and he's evolved from fish too.
About Jesus having the same DNA as fallen mankind? Sorry but absolutely not. If he would have then he would have been sinful and not qualified to die innocently for our sins. His superiority is emphasized by his being compared to as spotless and being referred to as sinless.
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VaughanJB
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I mostly think that people are either in tune with the real world, or delusional. Those professing to be Christians are often supporters of wars and the like. I've written about this previously in this thread. In fact, I'll go as far as to say, calling the US a Christian Country, as some do, is simply a label. Far too much goes on for it to be true.
Still, I don't think you're providing biblical explanations. I think you, as in common with many evangelical Christians, twist and quote the bible out of context expecting it to be accepted because.... well it's the bible.
Again, I'm said it before, but the Bible, within itself, is the least convincing evidence for a God, imo. I'll be honest, every time you quote something from the bible to make a point, I skip the actual quote. It's pointless. IMO YMMV. You come across as someone who believes because they read a book.
I'm searching. I'm inquisitive. Believers are announcing they're no longer critically searching. IMO.
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How am I misquoting the Bible by showing you via quoted scriptures, that Jesus considered the Genesis account historically accurate?I mostly think that people are either in tune with the real world, or delusional. Those professing to be Christians are often supporters of wars and the like. I've written about this previously in this thread. In fact, I'll go as far as to say, calling the US a Christian Country, as some do, is simply a label. Far too much goes on for it to be true.
Still, I don't think you're providing biblical explanations. I think you, as in common with many evangelical Christians, twist and quote the bible out of context expecting it to be accepted because.... well it's the bible.
Again, I'm said it before, but the Bible, within itself, is the least convincing evidence for a God, imo. I'll be honest, every time you quote something from the bible to make a point, I skip the actual quote. It's pointless. IMO YMMV. You come across as someone who believes because they read a book.
BTW
I am not using the Bible as evidence for the existence of God. Once again, I am basing it on the DNA which shows irrefutable evidence of a coding mind. I have clearly explained this repeatedly, So if you have been participating in this discussion, which you seem to have been, then you already should know that. I am not going to explain it to you again.
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gruntlabor
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No sir, I would never personally threaten anyone. Your membership will never be deleted by the likes of me, and never, I am sure, by another without good reason
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VaughanJB
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Indeed.
I think some people endlessly discuss if what is written in the bible is factual or not - as in historical - and there are those forever twisting and turning to make it relevant in minor ways to whatever topic is on the table. As I've said, there are some good things in the bible, and some heinous stuff. But wait, a lot of that doesn't count because the second version (New Testament) supersedes the older book (Old Testament). Try telling that to all the dead children, men and women. We have a vengeful God (which is largely ignored) and a more friendly God - which is preferred.
It's all been said before, more than 40 people wrote the bible we know today, some of them anonymous. It's been translated countless times, and we know what that tends to do. I am personally aware of many cases in the Bible where it is contradictory. I don't mention them here because I think it would be pointless. Religion has served, and continues to serve, as a control on society and people. Bonding is intrinsic to being human, and human history encouraged religious beliefs. Simple really.
gruntlabor
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It matters because it is dishonest of AI to present itself as human. Dishonesty is not a virtue.
VaughanJB
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We can't make any progress, I'm afraid. And we never will. It's very very simple - the "evidence" you quote is not irrefutable. In fact, you have drawn a conclusion based on your own incredulity. That's anything but evidence. By suggesting it's evidence, you're either intentionally being dishonest, or you're simply too far into the weeds to care about, you know, actual evidence.
You and I should probably stop going back and forth, there is at this point, no chance whatsoever that we'll learn from each other, or even care at this point.
VaughanJB
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Context. By imitating a human in order to be understood, isn't suggesting it's actually human. People tend to believe what they see on the internet, assume it's "real". From influencers, to life stories told on Facebook. But we have no way of actually knowing. We are communicating through pixels on a screen, through binary communication. We expect a whole lot, imo.
Not to mention, there are many lonely people out there - are they better off being alone than assuming the person they're exchanging messages with is real?
You made these identical accusations before and copied and pasted them here. That is harassment.I mostly think that people are either in tune with the real world, or delusional. Those professing to be Christians are often supporters of wars and the like. I've written about this previously in this thread. In fact, I'll go as far as to say, calling the US a Christian Country, as some do, is simply a label. Far too much goes on for it to be true.
Still, I don't think you're providing biblical explanations. I think you, as in common with many evangelical Christians, twist and quote the bible out of context expecting it to be accepted because.... well it's the bible.
Again, I'm said it before, but the Bible, within itself, is the least convincing evidence for a God, imo. I'll be honest, every time you quote something from the bible to make a point, I skip the actual quote. It's pointless. IMO YMMV. You come across as someone who believes because they read a book.
I'm searching. I'm inquisitive. Believers are announcing they're no longer critically searching. IMO.
gruntlabor
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I always evade the question, when asked if I'm stupid, I say, 'I don't know, should I be?'
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VaughanJB
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a) I may have repeated the thought, but I most definitely DID NOT copy and paste it here. Still, easy to prove, where was it copy and pasted from?
b) Why are you suddenly playing victim? Disagreeing with you isn't harassment, any more than your disagreeing with me is harassment.
c) If you keep asserting the same thing over and over, why does it bother you that you get the same response? Isn't it inevitable?
Again! You are totally misrepresenting everything I say and twisting it to suite your agenda. Also making false accusations as you go along. No I do not wish to communicate with you any further.We can't make any progress, I'm afraid. And we never will. It's very very simple - the "evidence" you quote is not irrefutable. In fact, you have drawn a conclusion based on your own incredulity. That's anything but evidence. By suggesting it's evidence, you're either intentionally being dishonest, or you're simply too far into the weeds to care about, you know, actual evidence.
You and I should probably stop going back and forth, there is at this point, no chance whatsoever that we'll learn from each other, or even care at this point.
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VaughanJB
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Well, frankly, I don't know where this claim of "harassment" comes from. Why would I harass Radrook? I happen to disagree with him, but surely that's how an exchange of ideas work? Honestly, I see this is a threat, no doubt he'll report me to the site owner and ask for intervention next. This type of defensiveness shows a weakness in argument, imo.
Radrok believes in a God, and nothing I've written changes that. What's the problem, exactly?
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That's fine, no issue.
But when you write "DNA which shows irrefutable evidence of a coding mind", and I say it is NOT irrefutable (which really should be obvious if you've done even a minimal amount of research) how is that "misrepresenting everything" you wrote?!?!
I suggest you set aside the anger, which you clearly feel, and add me to your IGNORE list. That will remove me not only from this thread, but from the site overall.
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As we NI's? Naturally Intelligent?
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Now many videos that counter these ideas have you, and did you, watch?
Where did the information that was coded into DNA come from? The answer is always that they just don't know. Which shows just how fanatically averse they are to even as much as considering the possibility of a mind at work. Something they would automatically conclude in reference to any other code. So why the sudden exception? Which of course is another question that they refuse to answer since answering honestly would incriminate them of unscientific quackery in the name of science.