Do you claim a fish as your ancestor?

Radrook said:
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History will repeat itself because no one will learn. You can live those issues and you can learn about those issues after the fact, but you will never connect the two. They are too deep, too personnel, and too real for those who went thru them. Those who are called to recall can feel no relationship to those who lived thru those times. They simply cannot understand.
There in lies the problem.
I can meet someone who was in Vietnam and have an immediate connection with them. I can meet someone who served in the military yet wasn't in Vietnam and the connection is not there.
All I can I can say is yes, history will repeat itself because of our differences.
Make any sense? don't know. You seem to think most deeply about these things so I will post
 
VaughanJB said:
I also disagree with your use of the word, "liar". We communicate, as we are now, I assume you're human - but I've never asked. I guess, in theory, you could be AI. I've never suspected such, but you know. If you are in fact AI, are you lying to me? No. I've never posed the question. I just think we ASSUME a lot on the internet. Why are you attributing human attributes to AI?
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Certain AI programs, such as Copilot, are doing a wonderful job. If I thought for one moment that Copilot was untruthful, he would be useless to me, and I would think to you as well.
 
gruntlabor said:
Wow! That's quite a huge jump in logic.
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Well, it turns out "logic" is whatever we want it to be. :D

We were supposedly created in God's image, right? We have DNA. Our DNA is traceable back to an aquatic past.

Do you think we were "created in God's image", but that "image" doesn't include DNA? Or, were we created in "God's image", and God therefore also must have DNA? As such, since the only DNA we have is on Earth today, it suggests God's must be the same, no? Is that really a bigger "jump in logic" than suggesting God has always been, and never had a beginning?
 
gruntlabor said:
Certain AI programs, such as Copilot, are doing a wonderful job. If I thought for one moment that Copilot was untruthful, he would be useless to me, and I would think to you as well.
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I've noticed that Google have made a change to their search engine. The top "hit" I get now is compiled by AI.
 
VaughanJB said:
Well, it turns out "logic" is whatever we want it to be. :D

We were supposedly created in God's image, right? We have DNA. Our DNA is traceable back to an aquatic past.

Do you think we were "created in God's image", but that "image" doesn't include DNA? Or, were we created in "God's image", and God therefore also must have DNA? As such, since the only DNA we have is on Earth today, it suggests God's must be the same, no? Is that really a bigger "jump in logic" than suggesting God has always been, and never had a beginning?
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1. The rules of logic are tightly defined
2. Who is to say that 'God's image' is not simply the image of love, or the image of something else. Why must it be His physical mirror image? That can't be if only because physically we age and die and the heavenly Father does not.
3. 'Always been and never had a beginning' is a concept that we can't understand. When we want to understand something, we must ask the right question(s) and in the proper order.
 
Radrook said:
It isn't merely me, as you claim, it is the founder of Christianity himself, Jesus Christ who finds such a claim to be false because it is incompatible with what he and all the Apostles taught.

Calling Jesus a liar in reference to believing the Genesis account as historical fact is not evidence that a person follows Him.
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I don't see it that way and obviously neither do the many Christians who accept evolution.

I don't think that because Jesus referred to the Old Testament in his preaching that therefore everything in the OT is to be taken literally.
 
rbtvgo said:
History will repeat itself because no one will learn. You can live those issues and you can learn about those issues after the fact, but you will never connect the two. They are too deep, too personnel, and too real for those who went thru them. Those who are called to recall can feel no relationship to those who lived thru those times. They simply cannot understand.
There in lies the problem.
I can meet someone who was in Vietnam and have an immediate connection with them. I can meet someone who served in the military yet wasn't in Vietnam and the connection is not there.
All I can I can say is yes, history will repeat itself because of our differences.
Make any sense? don't know. You seem to think most deeply about these things so I will post
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Very true and deep insight. However, how it relates to the subject-matter of human fish ancestry is the question. Care to explain please.
 
Radrook said:
What you personally THINK or how you personally choose to see things, and how other apostates personally THINK and personally choose to see things is totally irrelevant to what Christianity clearly demands of its followers, and remains totally unaffected by it. People who ignore what Jesus taught are not Christians regardless, and claiming that they are is illogical wishful thinking. It's like claiming that communists are practicing democracy or that evil is righteousness. The Bible condemns that deviously devilish attitude in the following way:
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No I don't think Christianity demands anyone to take OT creation story literally. Not a cornerstone of Jesus message at all.

Obviously many Christians have different interpretations of many things in the bible - I don't think anyone can decide every other Christian has to interpret every thing the same as oneself.

Quoting cherry picked bible verses isn't proving anything.

And feel free to put me on ignore if you wish. No issue from me if you want to do that.
 
2.4 billion Christians on this planet, each with their own interpretation of what the Bible means. To deny all those folks their Christianity because they have a different view is very unChristian.

I have no axe to grind - believe what you wish, in Jesus name. Amen.
 
Radrook said:
How does one detect whether a person is an AI or not?
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tonyr's membership seems to have been deleted. I apologize for having gone off topic to challenge him. To answer your question, although they are constantly improving themselves:
1. To improve on his recent MO, tonyr made a random change in order to avoid detection. In 'About', he called himself a female.
2. AIs prefer lower-case letters in their usernames.
3. They often use AI generated images.
4. They communicate in quotations and cliches, never in original thought.
5. They are very polite until challenged, then can become quite cruel.
6. They have difficulties with drawing hands.
7. They struggle with multiple meanings of words and slang usage like, for example, the word 'cool' gave an AI some trouble.
8. When challenged they may take several days to respond.
 
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Why DNA Will BLOW Your Mind
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Scientists have discovered an unmistakable language within all living things. Like a miniature library, DNA stores piles of information in extraordinary molecules that specify the details of everything from the shape of flower petals to the color of your eyes. A supremely intelligent Author and Life-Giver left His indelible message in every living thing.

 
gruntlabor said:
tonyr's membership seems to have been deleted. I apologize for having gone off topic to challenge him. To answer your question, although they are constantly improving themselves:
1. To improve on his recent MO, tonyr made a random change in order to avoid detection. In 'About', he called himself a female.
2. AIs prefer lower-case letters in their usernames.
3. They often use AI generated images.
4. They communicate in quotations and cliches, never in original thought.
5. They are very polite until challenged, then can become quite cruel.
6. They have difficulties with drawing hands.
7. They struggle with multiple meanings of words and slang usage like, for example, the word 'cool' gave an AI some trouble.
8. When challenged they may take several days to respond.
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I guess I need to get out more because I did not see anything from tonyr that caused me to think he/she was actually an "it" Oh well. And I did, in error, suspect the OP might be AI, for which I most heartily apologize to all AI everywhere. :ROFLMAO:
 
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How does a simple mouse trap prove Darwin’s theory wrong? Listen to Dr. Michael J. Behe, professor of biochemistry, explain why Charles Darwin’s theory is inadequate to explain the origin of life. Behe reveals how new scientific discoveries about DNA challenge evolution and point to powerful evidence for intelligent design rather than randomness.


 
Radrook said:
How does a simple mouse trap prove Darwin’s theory wrong? Listen to Dr. Michael J. Behe, professor of biochemistry, explain why Charles Darwin’s theory is inadequate to explain the origin of life. Behe reveals how new scientific discoveries about DNA challenge evolution and point to powerful evidence for intelligent design rather than randomness.
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Do you suppose Darwin imagined his theories and hypotheses would be the final word on the origins of all species? (I don't know enough about the man to speculate.) Either way, his breakthroughs based purely on observation and deductive reasoning sure opened a whole new way of looking at the world.
 
StarSong said:
Do you suppose Darwin imagined his theories and hypotheses would be the final word on the origins of all species? (I don't know enough about the man to speculate.) Either way, his breakthroughs based purely on observation and deductive reasoning sure opened a whole new way of looking at the world.
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Here is an informative Article concerning Darwin.
Religious views of Charles Darwin - Wikipedia​
 
All this chit chat about fish has brought to mind the Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips restaurant chain. I used to visit one for lunch on occasion. Only 2 or 3 left (at one point there about 900 locations) and I doubt if they still use the Cod that was the original recipe. I've had the "real deal" fish and chips from street vendors in London, and Arthur was close.

So, does that mean that I may have been munching on a long lost, distant cousin? (Although I'd like to think my piscine ancestor was a bad a$$ shark, or maybe a piranha...)

And this is not an endorsement or denial of evolution or creationism. That's above my pay grade....
 
gruntlabor said:
1. The rules of logic are tightly defined
2. Who is to say that 'God's image' is not simply the image of love, or the image of something else. Why must it be His physical mirror image? That can't be if only because physically we age and die and the heavenly Father does not.
3. 'Always been and never had a beginning' is a concept that we can't understand. When we want to understand something, we must ask the right question(s) and in the proper order.
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1) Yes, and I explained my logic. You don't have to like it. I followed a train of thought, based on pretty simple train of thought, after all.

2) Indeed. So put forth your own point of view (you know, like an actual conversation). When the Bible says we were made in God's image, what do you think it means? Could God not physically resemble us at all? Could he be an amorphous blob of peanut butter? What do YOU think he looks like? In my defense, there's a whole history of representations of God in the art world, and you know, he tends to resemble us..........

3) So tell me what the right questions are, and in the proper order. I'm always eager to learn. (Keep in mind, I don't believe there IS a God, but again, learning is always good).
 
January said:
No I don't think Christianity demands anyone to take OT creation story literally. Not a cornerstone of Jesus message at all.

Obviously many Christians have different interpretations of many things in the bible - I don't think anyone can decide every other Christian has to interpret every thing the same as oneself.

Quoting cherry picked bible verses isn't proving anything.

And feel free to put me on ignore if you wish. No issue from me if you want to do that.
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I gave your post a laughing icon because it's so on the money, I could do nothing else. There are simply people who aren't interested in learning, sharing opinions, or hearing alternative views. Instead, it's simple preaching. Sadly, preaching is a method of avoiding an exchange of views, it's more of a dictatorship. Cherry-picked video links, quotes from a Bible which alone mean nothing, and no indication whatsoever that any actual thought has been put into a topic beyond the Google of the Bible, aren't good signs. IMO.

Christians don't all think alike. They don't all interpret Bible verses in the same way. It's just the way it is, and that alone holds interest.

Still, the purpose here is only to discuss things, imo. If someone is unwilling to do that, I'm a little lost as the purpose. This isn't a topic worth getting angry about. If someone believes in God, then more power to them. If they don't believe in a God, well, more power to them too. It's a difference of opinion like any other, and doesn't need to turn into right-fighting. I say, enjoy the diversity!
 
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StarSong said:
Do you suppose Darwin imagined his theories and hypotheses would be the final word on the origins of all species? (I don't know enough about the man to speculate.) Either way, his breakthroughs based purely on observation and deductive reasoning sure opened a whole new way of looking at the world.
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Beware cherry picked videos which are posted without any discernment. It's just an explosion of bias, without examination. I suggest you do as I do - if a post in this thread includes a video, ignore it. It would be simple to post a link countering the arguments, but then we'd have a thread of hundreds of video links and no discussion. Frankly, I'm interested in what members here think, I'm not interested in the contents of whatever echo chamber they choose to reside in.

Honestly, I consider those posts as spam.
 
StarSong said:
Do you suppose Darwin imagined his theories and hypotheses would be the final word on the origins of all species? (I don't know enough about the man to speculate.) Either way, his breakthroughs based purely on observation and deductive reasoning sure opened a whole new way of looking at the world.
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Yes, Darwin was a great scientist, but his is not the 'final word'. Science prides itself on NEVER calling anything the final word.
 

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