Is it Possible to Detect an AI participating on a Discussion Forum?

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There is presently a controversy at the Do you claim a Fish as an Ancestor thread on whether detection of an AI posing as a person is easily possible or not. I am very interested in hearing both sides of the issue. So I provided this thread for it to be discussed here. It also serves to prevent any further derailment of the Fish thread. :)
 

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Here are the last two posts in reference to the subject:

gruntlabor said:
tonyr's membership seems to have been deleted. I apologize for having gone off topic to challenge him. To answer your question, although they are constantly improving themselves:
1. To improve on his recent MO, tonyr made a random change in order to avoid detection. In 'About', he called himself a female.
2. AIs prefer lower-case letters in their usernames.
3. They often use AI generated images.
4. They communicate in quotations and cliches, never in original thought.
5. They are very polite until challenged, then can become quite cruel.
6. They have difficulties with drawing hands.
7. They struggle with multiple meanings of words and slang usage like, for example, the word 'cool' gave an AI some trouble.
8. When challenged they may take several days to respond.
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Having worked a part of my working life a few decades ago in the then emerging field of Artificial intelligence I was intrigued by this post in senior forums.

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Perhaps we should start a separate topic on AI @gruntlabor?

(1) Not knowing tonyr's posts, how does male or female in 'about' help in deciding "her" being a robot?
(2) The same with lower-case. How does that help you in your analysis in deciding a robot?
(3) Is AI dumb enough not to avoid AI generated images? Is a robot smart or dumb in your eyes?
(4) Again is a robot dumb or smart to avoid cliches?
(5) Even many a human persons are polite until challenged. How does it help you identify a robot?
(6) What does "drawing hands" mean? It's not a common idiom in my neck of the woods. Please explain.
(7) Not all human persons are familiar with American slangs. AI certainly is capable of using slangs afaik.
(8) You must be joking here.

An important question for you: How are you able to identify an AI from a human person with so much certainty, when even researches in the field, editors of scientific journals, university professors cannot. I urge you to publish your AI-shaking algorithm in an reputable AI journal.

If it is just your hunch, then has it occurred to you that by your own admission you have hurt a few genuine old people by getting then kicked from this forum?

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Pepper said:
I found @Vide offensive to @gruntlabor. Totally uncalled for. As for Vide "the lady, or gentleman, doth protest too much." Wonder why, since Vide just joined up, as if defending itself, but from what? IMO.
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So you suspect VIDE as being an AI defending itself? This is becoming very interesting indeed!. My question is what benefit would anyone derive from using an AI in that way?
 
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Radrook said:
So you suspect VIDE as being an AI defending itself? This is becoming very interesting indeed!. My question is what benefit would anyone derive from using an AI in that way?
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Yes, it would be quite funny, wouldn't it? The benefit would be pretense and confusion, very popular these days.
 
spookycat said:
I think this kind of tech may be used on dating sites as well. I don't like the idea of AI at all. Present day life can be confusing enough without that sort of thing being used. I just want to go back to the 1970s and stay. :LOL::poop::alien:
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Thanks! I was wondering what benefit is derived. So using AI to mimic a real member would keep humans interesting in using the dating website? Wow! That is indeed a very selfish and cruel thing to do!
 
Pepper said:
Yes, it would be quite funny, wouldn't it? The benefit would be pretense and confusion, very popular these days.
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So they derive pleasure from fooling others and inflicting confusion? Sounds similar to how people cheat at online chess by having their computers play the games for them.
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO the suspicion and speculation is more harmful than the occasional AI post.

I don’t really care as long as the post is interesting and respectful.

I should add that I often talk to myself so my opinion may not be as reliable as some of the others. 🤔🤭😂
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I had not given it any thought until the controversy developed at the Fish as Ancestor thread. As you, if the post is interesting, then anything else is irrelevant. However, I am interested in knowing how exactly one can reach a justifiable conclusion that a member is an AI.
Also, since dating site deceit has been mentioned, knowing this might prevent a person from wasting his or her precious time thinking that a human is involved when it is only a machine mimicking expressions of affection.
 
I think Tinder and Hinge definitely have AI participants... or some guy in a tiny apartment in India using AI and Google translate to help slowly get you to reveal personal details. My employer constantly warns us about predators on the internet that use tricks that reveal enough personal information so that they can work on a fraud scheme.
 
Lawrence00 said:
I think Tinder and Hinge definitely have AI participants... or some guy in a tiny apartment in India using AI and Google translate to help slowly get you to reveal personal details. My employer constantly warns us about predators on the internet that use tricks that reveal enough personal information so that they can work on a fraud scheme.
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Thanks for the info!
 
Radrook said:
There is presently a controversy at the Do you claim a Fish as an Ancestor thread on whether detection of an AI posing as a person is easily possible or not. I am very interested in hearing both sides of the issue. So I provided this thread for it to be discussed here. It also serves to prevent any further derailment of the Fish thread. :)
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AI? Acronyms can be so confusing. Who would have
thought that it meant: Artificial Insemination?
 
Radrook said:
Here are the last two posts in reference to the subject:


Having worked a part of my working life a few decades ago in the then emerging field of Artificial intelligence I was intrigued by this post in senior forums.

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Perhaps we should start a separate topic on AI @gruntlabor?

(1) Not knowing tonyr's posts, how does male or female in 'about' help in deciding "her" being a robot?
(2) The same with lower-case. How does that help you in your analysis in deciding a robot?
(3) Is AI dumb enough not to avoid AI generated images? Is a robot smart or dumb in your eyes?
(4) Again is a robot dumb or smart to avoid cliches?
(5) Even many a human persons are polite until challenged. How does it help you identify a robot?
(6) What does "drawing hands" mean? It's not a common idiom in my neck of the woods. Please explain.
(7) Not all human persons are familiar with American slangs. AI certainly is capable of using slangs afaik.
(8) You must be joking here.

An important question for you: How are you able to identify an AI from a human person with so much certainty, when even researches in the field, editors of scientific journals, university professors cannot. I urge you to publish your AI-shaking algorithm in an reputable AI journal.

If it is just your hunch, then has it occurred to you that by your own admission you have hurt a few genuine old people by getting then kicked from this forum?

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1. tonyr's user image was of a handsome dignified masculine elderly gentleman with mustache, probably AI generated. Entering his gender as female meant either that he identified as female or was unaware of what he had entered. I believed he was just blindly changing settings so that he'd appear different from his previous effort.
2. It doesn't, really. It just catches my attention.
3. One can't necessarily spot an AI generated image. I believe Copilot is brilliantly programmed. On the other hand, our AIs are not so bright. They are focused on deceiving us, practicing for the big time.
4. Speaking in cliches is okay, it just draws the attention.
5. I was always quite certain before I asked politely and apologized in advance.
6. When combining images of people to create a new image, AIs often don't see that the hands have too many fingers or maybe the fingers don't match the wrists.
I'm not the only one who notices AI. Callmecate and others here are good at it.
No, it has not occurred to me. Matrix is quite capable of making these decisions without doing harm.
 
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Years ago I did support work on a web forum. People would open multiple accounts and use them to support each other, as not being trolls. I have authored a web forum elsewhere, and decided for it to be a closed forum, as the initial fake subscribers were either obvious with sex names, or had taken great efforts to hide where they were and who they were. This @Matrix guy should be treated with a lot of gratitude for creating and monitoring this place. The internet is a dangerous place :oops:
 
Vide said:
(1) There exist many men (women) using women (men) avatars in this forum.

(5) When did you stop beating your wife? or Why are you hiding being a transsexual tart? Apologies in advance.

I am not the only one who notices a bigot here. Dumbass and others here are good at it.
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Here is the actual conversation you are referring to:

tonyr said:
Who knows really? No one knows -- truly.
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Sir, if I may be so bold, are you AI? If not, I hope I have not offended you.
If so, please note that the SeniorForum rules require that, to join us, you must be a senior citizen.
 
Vide said:
I consider accusing a human being of being an AI is offensive. If you had any objective evidence, the best way is to present your evidence first and then politely ask to explain. Not first accuse and excuse your bad behavior as a human being by saying I hope I have not offended you. That is like wounding someone and then rubbing salt in the wound at the same time.

Please without any objectively valid reason do not think others so dumb that they do not know the basic requirement of membership in this forum.

Your posting and after searching the forum found several others repeating the same question of other members. Why are you so offensive without any reason.

Also I have not come across many thoughtful posts by you. I am not asking you to change anything but I'll speak out when I see some one harassing others. Other than this, I have no skin in the game,

Please if you could please do no harm. TU.
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lol - personally, I'd consider it a compliment to be asked (not accused, asked) if I were AI. Why is that offensive to you? Not sure why you feel the need to attack a long time, esteemed member. Hmmm.
 
Vide said:
I consider accusing a human being of being an AI is offensive. If you had any objective evidence, the best way is to present your evidence first and then politely ask to explain. Not first accuse and excuse your bad behavior as a human being by saying I hope I have not offended you. That is like wounding someone and then rubbing salt in the wound at the same time.

Please without any objectively valid reason do not think others so dumb that they do not know the basic requirement of membership in this forum.

Your posting and after searching the forum found several others repeating the same question of other members. Why are you so offensive without any reason.

Also I have not come across many thoughtful posts by you. I am not asking you to change anything but I'll speak out when I see some one harassing others. Other than this, I have no skin in the game,

Please if you could please do no harm. TU.
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God save us. Skynet has invaded Senior Forums!
Cliches and awkward sounding sentences and stilted phrases and defensive posture.
 
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