Covid Multiple Times: Help Me Understand This

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I have a couple of dog park acquaintances with whom we have regular conversations- a few I chat with are vaccinated and openly talk about how they feel when I ask:

"Hey, how are you today ?"

Since the late Fall season several have been sick, claiming they just don't feel well - or as in the most recent days that they - the vaccinated- have had "COVID" (could someone kindly submit a credible link to where the covid virus has been isolated and therefore proven, as I have yet come across any- BUT have a friend in Alberta Canada who won his court case due to the very fact the so-called virus has not been isolated) I digress...

Today, one guy at the morning dog play time explained to me that, while Today he's feeling fine, he had Covid last week but can't understand how he contracted it - he works from home and rarely goes out other than to take his dog out and has not been in contact with anyone who is sick. Remember he is vaccinated.

Also, he mentioned he has had it multiple times since the vaccine and is questioning the validity of the purpose of the shot himself (good man! Asking questions rather than denial- that's how we learn and evolve)!

You will say, well he is at the dog park with others- but remember those others and himself are vaccinated too...

Help me understand why the vaccinated are getting sick and not the people- myself included that are not vaccinated are not getting ill.
 

Tazx's_better_half said:
I have a couple of dog park acquaintances with whom we have regular conversations- a few I chat with are vaccinated and openly talk about how they feel when I ask:

"Hey, how are you today ?"

Since the late Fall season several have been sick, claiming they just don't feel well - or as in the most recent days that they - the vaccinated- have had "COVID" (could someone kindly submit a credible link to where the covid virus has been isolated and therefore proven, as I have yet come across any- BUT have a friend in Alberta Canada who won his court case due to the very fact the so-called virus has not been isolated) I digress...

Today, one guy at the morning dog play time explained to me that, while Today he's feeling fine, he had Covid last week but can't understand how he contracted it - he works from home and rarely goes out other than to take his dog out and has not been in contact with anyone who is sick. Remember he is vaccinated.

Also, he mentioned he has had it multiple times since the vaccine and is questioning the validity of the purpose of the shot himself (good man! Asking questions rather than denial- that's how we learn and evolve)!

You will say, well he is at the dog park with others- but remember those others and himself are vaccinated too...

Help me understand why the vaccinated are getting sick and not the people- myself included that are not vaccinated are not getting ill.
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I'm happy to hear you're enjoying covid free health. Please keep it up.
 
I don't think medical professionals generally claim the vaccine is 100% effective in prevention. You said the guy at the dog park you visited had covid last week, but "Today he's feeling fine." ("Remember he is vaccinated.") It seems he had a mild case. When covid was at it's peak 3 years or so ago, some of my friends died from the disease, so when it became available to the public, I got the vaccine. My doctor highly recommended it, and if I'm going to trust him for my other health matters, I may as well trust him on that as well. I haven't had covid. That may or may not have anything to do with my vaccination, since I haven't had a cold or flu in years either.
 

So. Consider how a flu vaccine works…it is manufactured…created if you will…based on best guess of what will be the predominant strain of the virus. Sometimes this works well…sometimes mutations or another strain becomes the dominant strain and thus causes vaccinated people to become ill. They are ill because they were never vaccinated for the strain they were exposed to. Covid works the same way. Vaccines look back…can not anticipate what the virus will become in the future.
 
Think many of us go thru times in our lives when we seem to get sick a lot.
I remember girls in HS that had tissues all the time in their hands, their systems
under attack all the time. Maybe make-up related?

Cats make my eyes water indoors all the time. I like it out in fresh air.
Have the house open as much as possible.
10,000 18 wheelers passing thru, 70 mph can't help out much either.
 
Pepper said:
Your 'evidence' is anecdotal. Also, the vaccination is not prevention, supposedly it eases the strength if you get it.
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Yes it was posited as that very thing! Do you not remember Biden and Trudeau saying if you get the shot, you wont get covid, wont get sick, wont pass it to others etc. Cause there are pages and pages of those very statements on the internet.
As for anecdotal evidence are you kidding? Of course its anecdotal. Its a personal experience. She is not stating case studies or factual stats proven by research. Its an experience she had with someone who admitted they were vaxxed and questioning why they keep getting covid! Learn to read. And use some critical thinking skills.
 
Muskrat said:
So. Consider how a flu vaccine works…it is manufactured…created if you will…based on best guess of what will be the predominant strain of the virus. Sometimes this works well…sometimes mutations or another strain becomes the dominant strain and thus causes vaccinated people to become ill. They are ill because they were never vaccinated for the strain they were exposed to. Covid works the same way. Vaccines look back…can not anticipate what the virus will become in the future.
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So after the vaccine was created, it had already mutated before delivery throughout the world. Why give it? Apparently this magical virus mutated 3, 4 or 5 times. So none of the vaccines would have helped. So why do it?
And according to science mutations only get weaker, so that they dont kill the host. So if they continuesd to get weaker, what was the worry. And once again, why get it if it is outdated even before you take it.
And what is in the boosters? What version? Since covid (cold and flu 19) is essentially gone, why keep getting shots for outdated strains?
 
Tazx's_better_half said:
I have a couple of dog park acquaintances with whom we have regular conversations- a few I chat with are vaccinated and openly talk about how they feel when I ask:

"Hey, how are you today ?"

Since the late Fall season several have been sick, claiming they just don't feel well - or as in the most recent days that they - the vaccinated- have had "COVID" (could someone kindly submit a credible link to where the covid virus has been isolated and therefore proven, as I have yet come across any- BUT have a friend in Alberta Canada who won his court case due to the very fact the so-called virus has not been isolated) I digress...

Today, one guy at the morning dog play time explained to me that, while Today he's feeling fine, he had Covid last week but can't understand how he contracted it - he works from home and rarely goes out other than to take his dog out and has not been in contact with anyone who is sick. Remember he is vaccinated.

Also, he mentioned he has had it multiple times since the vaccine and is questioning the validity of the purpose of the shot himself (good man! Asking questions rather than denial- that's how we learn and evolve)!

You will say, well he is at the dog park with others- but remember those others and himself are vaccinated too...

Help me understand why the vaccinated are getting sick and not the people- myself included that are not vaccinated are not getting ill.
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I don't know about the unvaccinated but the preventative effects of the vaccine are only good for about 2 to 3 months.
 
So...what I am gathering here is...if you're not vaccinated you are basically an idiot and know nothing about health...but I'm, along with my husband and kids are extremely healthy and have never got any sickness other than of stupid people 😄 during the so-called pandemic. AND, because I can't possibly ask such an idiotic question these days...I must be making my story up...oh, like how the governments of the world made up the pandemic. Hmmmm
 
What happened to natural immunity? What the actual heck is going on? Does no one think about that? We all have crazy good immune systems-if we take care of them. If we didnt no one would be here today.
Our immune systems kept us alive all these thousands of years with worse health care-if any-worse sanitary conditions, worse medicines-if any-no knowledge of health-compared to today, yet someone how no one talks about our natural immune ability to keep us alive!
 
Y I do not get why you are so defensive. Noone called you stupid. I simply answered your question. But you crave an argument or you would of answered your own question by now. You do not want answers…you want conflict.
 
Ohhh- and to add, still nobody can provide a credible source that covid actually existed as they said? Just BS about backing your vaccination cult. I can provide substantial proof as my husband continually does that vaccinations are not always the best solution and in this case have caused more health issues and death- ongoing than good! As well as COVID was a farce can you prove otherwise?
 
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Tazx said:
What happened to natural immunity? What the actual heck is going on? Does no one think about that? We all have crazy good immune systems-if we take care of them. If we didnt no one would be here today.
Our immune systems kept us alive all these thousands of years with worse health care-if any-worse sanitary conditions, worse medicines-if any-no knowledge of health-compared to today, yet someone how no one talks about our natural immune ability to keep us alive!
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Exactly- if people against true health only knew the true ongoings and how amazing the human body is at peak health and it's potential to defend and cure itself they then may begin to appreciate themselves rather than continually jab and pop pills and toxic food & drink etc and begin to heal and become something they never imagined was possible because only the doctors are correct...they- who make massive profits off your sickness would only have your best interest.
 
Muskrat said:
Y I do not get why you are so defensive. Noone called you stupid. I simply answered your question. But you crave an argument or you would of answered your own question by now. You do not want answers…you want conflict.
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Not defensive. But clearly on this forum if you are not vaccinated or do not believe in vaccines, you are wrong. Too many people believe these miracle jabs are the be all end all of health.
And from what I read, she never used the term stupid. Made the same statement that I do. Anti vaxxers are wrong.
And I dont see as wanting conflict, the question was never answered.

Question was-'help me understand why vaccinated are repeatedly getting ill, but the unvaxxed are not.'

No one answered that. You said vaccines wear off. Weird, because they are supposed to trigger an immune response, then the body makes copies of that trigger/response and places it into hibernation for the next time it is needed. How immune systems work. So why get shots every 3 months. And does that seem logical to anyone? Getting shots every 3 or 6 months for life? Like WTH? How is that logical or any sense at all. The only reason would be a lack of immune system. Which a tremendous lot of reports are proving that these shots destroy your immune system. Hence the turbo cancers, neuropathy issues, etc.
 
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I don't think medical professionals generally claim the vaccine is 100% effective in prevention. You said the guy at the dog park you visited had covid last week, but "Today he's feeling fine." ("Remember he is vaccinated.") It seems he had a mild case. When covid was at it's peak 3 years or so ago, some of my friends died from the disease, so when it became available to the public, I got the vaccine. My doctor highly recommended it, and if I'm going to trust him for my other health matters, I may as well trust him on that as well. I haven't had covid. That may or may not have anything to do with my vaccination, since I haven't had a cold or flu in years either.
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You can assume he had a mild case, the point is...why does he keep getting covid if he is vaccinated (boosted as well) shouldn't I be the sick one?

He is by no means an obese or unhealthy young man
- not a fast food addict who drinks and smokes- the complete opposite- which is why he is questioning...he fell for something that was supposed to protect him...

Now - you can think I'm full of crap - but the only sick people I know are vaccinated multiple times and that doesn't make sense.

And, still to this day I - or anyone with a brain can explain why your vaccination won't work unless I am vaccinated.
 
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Before The Vax first became available, I read as much as I could find (it wasn't much) about mRNA vaccines. The few articles available all said they had experimented with mRNA in rats years (10?) before and every animal died so they gave up on mRNA. I decided to wait and see. Know I have worked in health care for many years, have had many vaccinations in my lifetime, and would still absolutely promote certain ones. All the hype about Covid made me uneasy. My doctor at that time actually said to me, "If you don't take the vax, you will catch covid and die." As time went on, more and more conflicting information was available; some sounded so (almost) crazy.

I decided not to take it. Now I am glad because of the few people I know who did take it, about 35% of them are now having cardiovascular problems (one of them is 20 years old and is a dancer so in very good condition). They have also had covid (at least tested positive, if you trust the test) several times. Those who have not been vax'd have not been sick or had a mild flu-like illness (me included) for which they did not seek treatment.

Many people and corporations made a LOT of money on this, in the hundreds of millions in some cases, including certain politicians.

The worst part about this entire pandemic is how it has caused mistrust of our healthcare system. Now, I question everything my provider recommends, especially if the words "Medicare will pay for it 100%" are included in that conversation. When I was working in the system, the CDC was my go-to for information. Not anymore. They have admitted to mis/dis-information about covid-19. Now, I do not know what to trust.
 
Muskrat said:
So. Consider how a flu vaccine works…it is manufactured…created if you will…based on best guess of what will be the predominant strain of the virus. Sometimes this works well…sometimes mutations or another strain becomes the dominant strain and thus causes vaccinated people to become ill. They are ill because they were never vaccinated for the strain they were exposed to. Covid works the same way. Vaccines look back…can not anticipate what the virus will become in the future.
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I remember getting the flu vaccine years ago, and that was the one and only time - this was over 30 years ago. I understand that the flu vaccine contains the virus. However, when the covid vaccine first came out, I remember being told it did not contain the virus. I was a bit confused. I was not able to get the covid vaccine because the flu vaccine was a bit rough on my body, to put it mildly.
 
HermitHogan said:
It's probably total B.S., too!
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Muskrat said:
Y I do not get why you are so defensive. Noone called you stupid. I simply answered your question. But you crave an argument or you would of answered your own question by now. You do not want answers…you want conflict.
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It's not a defensive reaction- we are bewildered at the lack of common sense, especially in a senior form!

The mass compliance with the doctors and government that ensued the pandemic and continues to impact our societies, especially in the Western countries is very dangerous- to let it go is irresponsible to our children- the generations who will inherent the mess that we made of our world.

We have completely destroyed logic, trust, critical thinking- basically what it means to be a free thinking human being.

We, the people that believe in the freedom to choose how we want to care for our health and lifestyle choices- even travel and work, social gatherings, leisure activities- everyday things were banned and we the unvaxxed were ridiculed and labeled and were made to look like the minority- crazy people...turns out, there were more people on our side- even some who unfortunately fell for the vax- on our side than we thought!

This selfish blind belief and rule over others is a dangerous situation for our children and their future and we should be ashamed- deeply ashamed.

Sure, some people just got the shot and never pushed it on their friends, family etc..but as we know, many people did and the effects are showing.

Mental health, physical overall health has degraded and continues to decline. Babies are not being born...we are in a real critical crisis and we are supposed to shut up and just keep our thoughts and stats to ourselves- then why didn't the covid cults do the same?

If you truly trust your doctors and governments with your life and health then so be it- do that, get your shots, pills and potions - but to agree that we all should do as you is absolutely absurd and ignorant and that is the true sickness.

If you pushed your families, kids, grandkids into getting the shot and to comply with the mandates that caused more harm than good - then karma is coming for you.

We, that speak out will be the ones left to clean up your damn
Idiotic mess!
 
Tazx said:
Yes it was posited as that very thing! Do you not remember Biden and Trudeau saying if you get the shot, you wont get covid, wont get sick, wont pass it to others etc. Cause there are pages and pages of those very statements on the internet.
As for anecdotal evidence are you kidding? Of course its anecdotal. Its a personal experience. She is not stating case studies or factual stats proven by research. Its an experience she had with someone who admitted they were vaxxed and questioning why they keep getting covid! Learn to read. And use some critical thinking skills.
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What's up with the pair of you, Tweedledum and Tweedledee? You guys a tag team? When you look in a mirror do you see each other?
 

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