How long would you wait...

Their time is valuable, patient's time is not. Some are just glorified referrers. They give a patient a perfunctory exam (and charge insurance $300), then refer to another doctor, who then refers them to another. It's called "The Doctor-Go-Round".

My mom waited 2 hours in an exam room and she overheard the doctor visiting with a drug salesman about vacations and golf scores - all when patients are waiting to see him. Another time, another doctor, he dropped everything when his wife brought their son on with a scraped knee. You'd think it was Armageddon. When I scraped a knee, my mom would squirt some Bactine on it, slap on a bandaid and send me back out to play.
 

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This is why I have my one prejudice. I hate doctors, nurses, generally anyone in the health care professions but mainly I state without reserve loud and clear I HATE DOCTORS.

With apologies to the doc I had in Denver who has passed on now (left Denver three decades ago) who was truliy the wonderful exception to the rule. I still miss him. Him I'd still go to. The rest are so truly horrible that I've quit going to doctors Was already having issues with this very problem (you know being ill and in chronic pain, waiting an hour on a hard plastic chair is an issue and one they know I have and just don't give a hang that they're putting me in agony) then Covid hit - and made things worse.

I'm done. I'm old. Unless, as someone stated above, it's a broken leg or something like that that needs obvious emergency attention, I'm just no longer subjecting myself to the medical torture. The first barrier is I just can't sit in the waiting room gathering dust and groaning. Literally, physically cannot.

This said, when I was still going pre-Covid (I stopped cold with that hot mess wherein dcotors showed their true colors not gong to bat for their patients), I always made my appointments for first in the day. This mostly worked. Mostly.

There was the doctor that ran over an hour and a half late for an 8am appointment then comes in grinning with a gift bag to be told my reception that I was complaining and asking where he was. She had had to tell me (distraught but trying to hide it herself) that she just didn't know. Turns out he got invited to some breakfast/brunch thing where he was being honored and didn't even tell his staff. Yeah, fired him.

There was the one where I got fired when he was two hours late and I was groaning in pain for daring to ask the receptionist what was going on, I couldn't be expected to wait that long, the doctor knew of my severe health conditions. How dare I?

The problem today is doctors are mostly in it for money. The doctors that are in it becasue they care are rare as hen's teeth. Like that guy in Denver, still miss him and he somehow managed to chat pleasantly with every patient without getting horrendously behind. Oh wait that's because he scheduled each appointment a half hour apart so he could spend at least a half hour with each and draw a deep breath in between and not overtax himself, you know sensible approach, God, he was wonderful. Too bad he's the exception not the rule and you're lucky if you can find one like him; most of us can't.

Think about most of the excuses made for them. Hospital/nursing home rounds. They know they have that so they can't allot time for that because why exactly? I doubt it takes them more than two hours. So start scheduling your appointments two hours after you'd normally start doing rounds. This ain't rocket science and if you've managed to graduate medical school, you should have at least as much ability to figure out that as I with only a high school diploma can. Don't blame your receptionist. You're her boss. You give her the orders to not schedule any appointments before 10:00 am.

We all know why they don't do that. And why they do things like triple book. (Again, not a thing my doc in Denver would dream of doing. What he would do if you had something urgent going on is stay late to take you in at the end of the day or skip lunch to see you if he didn't have a cancellation where he could take you instead. He once called me up when he got a cancellation after telling me come in at 5:00 (his end of the dayi). Yeah, that's a doctor who cared.)

MONEY! The almighty dollar. More patients means more accumulated wealth to them and they just assume their pateints will take it. Because we are a commodity to them, not people.

No I quit. I'm done. I just can't do it. I'm old. If I die, I die. Enduring doctors just ain't worth it. Then, of course, I don't fear death and would rather die a natural death than live an unnatural life kept alive on machines and meds that nine times out of ten might improve one condition but make you sick in various other ways.

Ever notice doctors no longer seek to cure but keep you dependent on them for life? I stalled for years just getting them to call in renewals to my pharmacy. At first, they wrote it off to Covid fears making me afraid to come in. (They were wrong about what I was afraid of; I've developed after being subjected to what I "fondly" call medical torture for decades a severe Iatrophobia, fear of doctors. I just about panic at the thought of ever seeing one of those greedy SOB's again.) They called in the script renewals for years but 2024 finally reached come in if you want the renewal.

I didn't. I just can't even see myself waiting longer than half an hour and know I would have to. I also know it'd entail at least a blood pressure reading which is always brutally painful and bruises my arm and possibly needles which are also very painful for me, for some reason. I just could not make myself do it.

So hydrocodone quit cold turkey. Depression and crying jags ended immediately. Two blood pressure meds - both of which are supposed to be tapered off of - quit cold turkey. No noticeable difference whatsoever. Looking them up. they can both cause diarrhea so now I'm wondering if my IMBD is even real or just a side effect. Certainly ain't occuring as much. Interesting. Very, very interesting. I'm starting to think I'm better off without doctors.

Yes, that may be different if I were younger. I'd be more worried about my life ending unnecessarially whereas now if anything natural does me in, I write it off to old age. But then again, that's how they get you to line their pockets. Of course, I'm left with the niggling suspicion that they want to off the boomer generation and discouraging even seeing doctors is one way to do it. Whatever. I highly suspect I'm better off without them and using home remedies and over the counter and researching what to eat and drink instead.

I hate doctors. Because they just don't care about anything but their bank accounts. They are not in it to save lives. They are in it to get rich. Plain and simple. It is not in their best financial interest to cure you so they don't. Don't bother trying to change my mind. You can't.
I can understand that. I hate going to doctors who don't even look at you. They just ask questions and look at their computer screens. Plus they have poor personal communication skills. I have fired several young doctors for that rude behavior.
 
My GYN has cut back severely on her services. She used to do a hands-on exam, a urinalysis, and an occult blood test. Now it's just a verbal interview. Maybe these doctors think because a patient is a senior, why bother doing a lot of tests. My friend who is 91 said her gastroenterologist won't do colonoscopies on patients over 70. My own PCP is dismissive saying, "You're getting older. You have to realize things are going to start going wrong."
 

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Well, I went back yesterday and had a biospy. So far they think it's a fast spreading cancer and have already scheduled more tests and inpatient surgery. What a way to start the new year after fighting another form of cancer just last year
I'm so sorry to read this, Old Eagle. I pray the surgery gets it all, and you have a lot more time ahead. Stare it down!
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Generally speaking, since getting Medicare and switching providers to Kaiser Permanente, I'm taken into a room within 5 minutes of my appointment time, have never waited longer than another 20-30 minutes to see the doctor, and have enough time to cover any and all of my medical concerns.

This wasn't always the case. Years back I remember waiting well over an hour past my scheduled appointment time before the doctor casually strolled into the exam room. "Gee, your BP is a little high today." Ya think???

So glad that aggravation is in my rear view mirror. Very happy overall with KP.
 
My GYN has cut back severely on her services. She used to do a hands-on exam, a urinalysis, and an occult blood test. Now it's just a verbal interview. Maybe these doctors think because a patient is a senior, why bother doing a lot of tests. My friend who is 91 said her gastroenterologist won't do colonoscopies on patients over 70. My own PCP is dismissive saying, "You're getting older. You have to realize things are going to start going wrong."
the NHS won't do colonoscopies over 70 either
 
I can understand that. I hate going to doctors who don't even look at you. They just ask questions and look at their computer screens. Plus they have poor personal communication skills. I have fired several young doctors for that rude behavior.
Sounds like you're getting the NHS but having to pay for it out of pocket .This is exactly what we get... questions while they stare at their computer... ad each patient allowed only 10 minutes with the doctor... this is why they now can diagnose people online and do 50 % of the time, because they rarely ever examine anyone these days. We're in real trouble...
there's nothing now stopping Geeral practice doctoring becoming available to people much less qualified... which is a real concern...
 
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My GYN has cut back severely on her services. She used to do a hands-on exam, a urinalysis, and an occult blood test. Now it's just a verbal interview. Maybe these doctors think because a patient is a senior, why bother doing a lot of tests. My friend who is 91 said her gastroenterologist won't do colonoscopies on patients over 70. My own PCP is dismissive saying, "You're getting older. You have to realize things are going to start going wrong."
I wondered about the no colonoscopies after 70 rule. Now I understand that the elderly are more vulnerable to perforation during the procedure.
 
Well, I went back yesterday and had a biospy. So far they think it's a fast spreading cancer and have already scheduled more tests and inpatient surgery. What a way to start the new year after fighting another form of cancer just last year
@Oldeagle66 my prayers are with you for recovery. You sound like a fighter; I'm cheering you on to win the battle. Remember, you have us. 🌹
 
I just cannot condone physicians that treat clients like cattle - get' em in, get' em out, send bill to insurance. It's just a conveyor belt to get as many patients through as possible. Unfortunately, sometimes I have to see a specialist, like this coming Monday I have to see my retinal surgeon. The telephone appointment reminder call said to expect to be there 2 to 3 hours! Then it will be:
Doctor: "How's your vision?"
Me: "About the same as it was the last time I was here."
Doctor: "Okay, then, I'll see you back in six months."
 
Generally speaking, since getting Medicare and switching providers to Kaiser Permanente, I'm taken into a room within 5 minutes of my appointment time, have never waited longer than another 20-30 minutes to see the doctor, and have enough time to cover any and all of my medical concerns.

This wasn't always the case. Years back I remember waiting well over an hour past my scheduled appointment time before the doctor casually strolled into the exam room. "Gee, your BP is a little high today." Ya think???

So glad that aggravation is in my rear view mirror. Very happy overall with KP.
And I know their stories:)
 
I just cannot condone physicians that treat clients like cattle - get' em in, get' em out, send bill to insurance. It's just a conveyor belt to get as many patients through as possible. Unfortunately, sometimes I have to see a specialist, like this coming Monday I have to see my retinal surgeon. The telephone appointment reminder call said to expect to be there 2 to 3 hours! Then it will be:
Doctor: "How's your vision?"
Me: "About the same as it was the last time I was here."
Doctor: "Okay, then, I'll see you back in six months."
Please look at your statements and what they get paid by Medicare for a consult and other basics. Then look at overhead to run a clinic.
I go for an annual vision exam and always get glasses with the works. Ten minutes max for both of us.
You are retired. Depending on tests 2-3 hours is what it is and you were advised about it. Bring a audio book and ear bugs. Best of luck!
 
Think about most of the excuses made for them. Hospital/nursing home rounds. They know they have that so they can't allot time for that because why exactly? I doubt it takes them more than two hours. So start scheduling your appointments two hours after you'd normally start doing rounds
Your post seems very bitter and extreme to me - but just answer ing this point since you picked up on my words - yes the Dr knows he has hospital rounds if he has patients in hospital- how many and how complex their needs varies - so sometimes it is quick and sometimes not. Of course they could not cover the hospital as well - but patients like to have their own doctor in hospital so that is the trade off. No, I've never known a doctor to be 2 hours late starting work, varies between on time and at most an hour late. Nursing home visits vary - people can't schedule dying and emergencies to a convenient timetable.
 
I just cannot condone physicians that treat clients like cattle - get' em in, get' em out, send bill to insurance. It's just a conveyor belt to get as many patients through as possible.

And therein lies the problem - people don't want doctors to rush them through,they want thorough - but they don't want doctors to fall behind schedule- which they will if they take extra time.
 
Please look at your statements and what they get paid by Medicare for a consult and other basics. Then look at overhead to run a clinic.
I go for an annual vision exam and always get glasses with the works. Ten minutes max for both of us.
You are retired. Depending on tests 2-3 hours is what it is and you were advised about it. Bring a audio book and ear bugs. Best ofluck !
I don't care about their taxes, only that they pay them.
Yes, all fat cats by the description are indeed, fat.
But, are all cats gray at night? :ROFLMAO:
The 30 charge ends up to be a fraction of it being paid. Please read an EOB.
 
Your post seems very bitter and extreme to me - but just answer ing this point since you picked up on my words - yes the Dr knows he has hospital rounds if he has patients in hospital- how many and how complex their needs varies - so sometimes it is quick and sometimes not. Of course they could not cover the hospital as well - but patients like to have their own doctor in hospital so that is the trade off. No, I've never known a doctor to be 2 hours late starting work, varies between on time and at most an hour late. Nursing home visits vary - people can't schedule dying and emergencies to a convenient timetable.
It is bitter. It is not extreme. What's extreme is expecting my ill behind to sit in your waiting room with several chronic conditions in chronic pain while you take your sweet time getting to me.

Doesn't matter if it always takes them two hours or not. I threw that number out there as an example. I have no idea how long it takes them to do rounds. But they should allot the longest time it takes and not schedule appointments until after it. Go get a cup of coffee and enjoy a leisurely breakfast after on a quick rounds day.

The only reaosn these greedy SOB's don't do that is because they're money hungry. Money, not caring for people, is the sole motivation of the great majority of today's doctors. I do not, of course, have an actual percentage but it has to be in the high 90s. Those who actually care about their patients are a gem in the poo. Nurses are even worse. Don't even get me started on nurses. Bullies should not be allowed to be nurses. Nurses who bully and berate and ignore patients should be fired but won't be.

I will give you the few good ones that are doctors are nurses do really shine and make you wonder how you got lucky enough to get such a kind one but then that's because they're so GD rare. When I do get one, I do thank them for it.
 
And therein lies the problem - people don't want doctors to rush them through,they want thorough - but they don't want doctors to fall behind schedule- which they will if they take extra time.
Not if they didn't overschedule.
 


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