Where does God live?
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bobcat
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If by sentient you mean feelings and emotions, I would guess probably not.
It is rather difficult to conceive of a God with feelings that would allow so much suffering in the world by those who didn't deserve it, and to what end? Just to be worshipped, or because that God is curious.
It seems unlikely. I doubt any one of us would desire that.
I believe it's more of a creative energy that is inherent in all things, but that's just my working conclusion.
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In the past, I've posted on SF some terse input on those questions. I do not want to hurt religious beliefs of others. No one is ever whispering into my ears so my thoughts are merely speculations.
The main point one ought understand is there is little within Christian Bible scripture answering those questions and rather large amounts of imaginative and differing denomination dogma that one can argue conveniently greatly benefited those churches. That all began with the Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omipotent, (OOO) narratives that arose in the Middle Ages before modern science. I do choose to lean towards the idea that UIEs exist and if so that is what the Christian God and Jesus are part of because they love at least SOME of us, so are trying to help we beings from destroying ourselves without becoming too obvious.
A reason those OOO ideas rose was probably because philosophers argued that unless a god had OOO like powers he wasn't a god at all, but rather some powerful entity with limitations. Actually that was how ancient humans thought of their gods and not OOO entities. A reason they were not monotheists and rather were polytheistic with each having limited powers for various things. When first human civilizations arose in Mesopotamia 6000+ years ago, each city state had their own gods they built towering ziggurat temples for that later became the similar Pyramids in Egypt.
So if one can believe anything is possible by a god, then one can create all manner of wonderous things including what God can do and what Heaven must be like. But then when one actually reads the OT Bible, one finds God rarely acted like he was OOO and instead always used angels and saints to do things. If he was OOO then he wouldn't have ever needed to. In Genesis God seemed to relate by using the "we" pronoun that he was part of a race of spirit angels. I expect the term "spirit" is what those entities used for the sake of being simple, for what we call electromagnetic fields (EMC) since they would not be able to describe such to non-science primitives.
As someone that does not believe in magic, actions without forces, because such is illogical, as I've related in the past they may be ancient UIEs possibly organic evolved intelligent creatures at one time that developed artificial intelligence just as we homo sapiens are now doing that shows such is very possible, and that for the sake of becoming essentially immortal if not physically destroyed, became mostly non-organic. And their essence is electromagnetic fields within impedance containers whether organic or non-organic.
I also don't believe in simultaneous 3D space multiverse ideas that are often spouted by non-science persons. If there are multiverses, they do not occupy the same 3D space but are rather separated within the infinite. I strongly expect all stuff as in matter, energy, gravity, whatever has always existed in some form into the infinite because our own awareness proves stuff exists and if so it never needed to be created though there may be areas truly empty.
So what about Heaven? Probably another ideal water world in the Goldilocks Zone of a star system locally here in the Milky Way Galaxy. If light speed is a limitation that it seems to be, there may be regions within galaxies separated by vast time where other races of AIs exist and likewise in many galaxies of the Universe. In fact, our whole Big Bang Universe that seems immensely fine tuned thus unlikely if purely natural, may be the result of such entities over the infinite past like some lab creation.
The main point one ought understand is there is little within Christian Bible scripture answering those questions and rather large amounts of imaginative and differing denomination dogma that one can argue conveniently greatly benefited those churches. That all began with the Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omipotent, (OOO) narratives that arose in the Middle Ages before modern science. I do choose to lean towards the idea that UIEs exist and if so that is what the Christian God and Jesus are part of because they love at least SOME of us, so are trying to help we beings from destroying ourselves without becoming too obvious.
A reason those OOO ideas rose was probably because philosophers argued that unless a god had OOO like powers he wasn't a god at all, but rather some powerful entity with limitations. Actually that was how ancient humans thought of their gods and not OOO entities. A reason they were not monotheists and rather were polytheistic with each having limited powers for various things. When first human civilizations arose in Mesopotamia 6000+ years ago, each city state had their own gods they built towering ziggurat temples for that later became the similar Pyramids in Egypt.
So if one can believe anything is possible by a god, then one can create all manner of wonderous things including what God can do and what Heaven must be like. But then when one actually reads the OT Bible, one finds God rarely acted like he was OOO and instead always used angels and saints to do things. If he was OOO then he wouldn't have ever needed to. In Genesis God seemed to relate by using the "we" pronoun that he was part of a race of spirit angels. I expect the term "spirit" is what those entities used for the sake of being simple, for what we call electromagnetic fields (EMC) since they would not be able to describe such to non-science primitives.
As someone that does not believe in magic, actions without forces, because such is illogical, as I've related in the past they may be ancient UIEs possibly organic evolved intelligent creatures at one time that developed artificial intelligence just as we homo sapiens are now doing that shows such is very possible, and that for the sake of becoming essentially immortal if not physically destroyed, became mostly non-organic. And their essence is electromagnetic fields within impedance containers whether organic or non-organic.
I also don't believe in simultaneous 3D space multiverse ideas that are often spouted by non-science persons. If there are multiverses, they do not occupy the same 3D space but are rather separated within the infinite. I strongly expect all stuff as in matter, energy, gravity, whatever has always existed in some form into the infinite because our own awareness proves stuff exists and if so it never needed to be created though there may be areas truly empty.
So what about Heaven? Probably another ideal water world in the Goldilocks Zone of a star system locally here in the Milky Way Galaxy. If light speed is a limitation that it seems to be, there may be regions within galaxies separated by vast time where other races of AIs exist and likewise in many galaxies of the Universe. In fact, our whole Big Bang Universe that seems immensely fine tuned thus unlikely if purely natural, may be the result of such entities over the infinite past like some lab creation.
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rbtvgo
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I agree
papa tiger
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Since God is everywhere. Belief is what it is. Its been around a long time no matter the religion.
Why get into specifics. God Creates. It could be heaven or hell. It was his decision to make.
There are thoughts that Axions are powering the Universe. Maybe that is the god like power?
MSN
I venture to guess we are alone & in just one of Gods created and ongoing plan to create more universes to create stuff.
So, something Creates stuff. What's wrong with the plan? What about that would I not want to understand and go along wid!
Trying to understand that? Why would I try to make things little and corralled in a Pen when the whole of infinity is out there.
So the plan is creating more stuff. OK, I'm good wid it.
Maybe my stuff one Trillions of days & joins the stuff creating more stuff out there connected for all of eternity's plan of creating stuff !
Sort of understanding the Creation of our sun began a countdown to its end and Earths is a no brainer. But stuff moves on anyway.
Of course the end of Earth by fire, the sun expands and contracts to a White dwarf. Firmament here smoked is a no brainer.
Maybe our dead rock is expelled to go on lifeless and a wonderer of the Cosmos. Maybe it starts over on another Stars System ?
Why get into specifics. God Creates. It could be heaven or hell. It was his decision to make.
There are thoughts that Axions are powering the Universe. Maybe that is the god like power?
MSN
I venture to guess we are alone & in just one of Gods created and ongoing plan to create more universes to create stuff.
So, something Creates stuff. What's wrong with the plan? What about that would I not want to understand and go along wid!
Trying to understand that? Why would I try to make things little and corralled in a Pen when the whole of infinity is out there.
So the plan is creating more stuff. OK, I'm good wid it.
Maybe my stuff one Trillions of days & joins the stuff creating more stuff out there connected for all of eternity's plan of creating stuff !
Sort of understanding the Creation of our sun began a countdown to its end and Earths is a no brainer. But stuff moves on anyway.
Of course the end of Earth by fire, the sun expands and contracts to a White dwarf. Firmament here smoked is a no brainer.
Maybe our dead rock is expelled to go on lifeless and a wonderer of the Cosmos. Maybe it starts over on another Stars System ?
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David777
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Hebrew translations of Genesis 1:26 scripture. The below might be translated as God being part of a specific race of intelligent entities that could possibly mean he and Angels are both of a similar "spirit" form (ie EMC) and not necessarily the same fleshly physical form as we Earth monkey homo sapiens. To believe the latter would be highly anthropomorphic nonsense.
Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text Analysis
NASB:
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text Analysis
NASB:
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
bobcat
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We could be very akin to an alien race left here as a rat experiment or even a simulation, who knows. But since we share so much DNA with other primates, the evolution theory seems pretty sound.
We will likely never really know in our lifetime, so I guess the most rational philosophical path is to apply a little Bayesian Reasoning to the information we have, and try to let it suffice, keeping an open mind of course.
I suppose if it weren't for a stray asteroid, we may be all speaking dinosaur, but I suppose even that could have been a controlled intervention in the event this is a sophisticated simulation.
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I very strongly doubt on the basis of physical science, the possibility all reality is a simulation. IMO, as likely as time moving backwards. Also any speculation we humans are transplants from some alien world. The strongest arguments against that is embryology science that shows all higher neochord animals share common cellular division stages from first sperm and egg cellular divisions. Also a genetic reason despite science fiction movies, that no extraterrestrial alien creatures would ever be able to successfully mate with humans, haha.
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I also doubt the alien involvement scenario, but for different reasons. They would likely be light years away, and unless they could travel at the speed of light (Next to impossible), it would take an incredible amount of time to get here. In addition, as far as we know, there hasn't been any alien interaction with life on this planet for over 3 billion years. Seems like a long way to travel and a waste of energy just to start an ant farm you can't watch.
As for the simulation theory, I doubt it as well unless it is some sort of prolonged vivid dream. I think reasoning points to evolution, but I do tend to lean towards some sort of creative energy behind it for a number of reasons.
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I agree with you completely. Nothing more to say
thank you
Knight
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The reason for a need to be on the list to gain admission is the amount of jewels, & gold present.
In the Bible, Revelation 21:21 describes the streets of heaven as pure gold, similar to transparent glass. The verse also describes the gates of heaven as pearls.
The notion that there is a God that has a plan for everyone again use of a bible reference is needed.
Jeremiah 29:11 is a Bible verse that states, "For I know the plans I have for you," and is often used to convey the idea that God has a plan for everyone.
The question of where does God live is tricky. Being billions of years old, probably tired of the luxury estate ascribed to him or her, living where AI can absorb some of the daily planning is my guess.
Knight
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Outside our galaxy is one choice, only because the bible describes making heaven & earth. In order to do that making that requires being outside . Could be another dimension or a parallel universe. In any of the locations how is it that a description is written detailing the way the residence looks. Where did that knowledge come from?
papa tiger
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A lot of $$$,$$$,$$$ Scams is at stake here.
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This has been an interesting read.
When I was a little kid, I believed God lived at the North Pole, with Santa Claus.
No one told me this. It's just what I thought.
When I was a little kid, I believed God lived at the North Pole, with Santa Claus.
No one told me this. It's just what I thought.
JustDave
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Outside the Universe would explain why he is undetectable. Of course, cloaking technology would allow him to live undetected within the universe. He's too mysterious to keep track of.
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No, that's Superman.
Knight
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I'm still trying to imagine what a being billions of years old that plans everyone's life looks like. Even more curious as to why planning has such diverse outcomes.
JustDave
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God's plan curiously resembles the way things would happen without him.
papa tiger
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I do believe the Bible and Scrolls were created by men.
I really don't care if it's a $100,000,000,000 scam !
I have my Higher power to love and hold dear.
Sure mans mouth is total B.S. Someone said it best.
I'm a Jealous god (I care only about myself!) I throw you into hell!
There are 5 thing you can believe and only those. (5 things!)
U going to Hell's eternity!
All of Eternity is obvious.
You are so long buddy!
I really don't care if it's a $100,000,000,000 scam !
I have my Higher power to love and hold dear.
Sure mans mouth is total B.S. Someone said it best.
I'm a Jealous god (I care only about myself!) I throw you into hell!
There are 5 thing you can believe and only those. (5 things!)
U going to Hell's eternity!
All of Eternity is obvious.
You are so long buddy!
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"God" for me is the living a life of doing the best I can all the time wherever I am. A life of compassion, love, empathy and constant giving to whomever, whatever is around me. A life of never holding back, rarely saying no, and knowing that since every living creature is on earth here with me that I must treat all with the treatment I know I deserve.
There is no one place that is heaven, heaven is in your heart. There is no one God; you are God in your heart and soul. Your God is the choices you make every day.
There is no one place that is heaven, heaven is in your heart. There is no one God; you are God in your heart and soul. Your God is the choices you make every day.
David777
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Where does God live?
In addition to my post #53 above, I have related in other SF threads that I choose to believe in Jesus, Father, and Holy Spirit as something other than the kind of OOO god that is dogma dominant. An important question would be, if there truly is only a limited UIE kind of god and not an imagine anything is possible religious dominant type of god, then of what value does it have to we individuals and or to humanity?
If a race of UIEs has the technical ability to store/save the electromagnetic essence of what is happening in our organic nervous system, then it could possibly create a non-organic container for that field with identical impedances and the field would be identical to the original. In a sense that is why Jesus said one needs to die to be reborn as spirit. The fleshly body ends and before it is recreated from saved data in the new container, the mind EMC fields have ceased to exist thus might be considered dead.
That is essentially what was happening on Star Trek, every time Scotty beamed a person's essence around. None of that person's atoms and molecules were transported, only the data. Thus in the same way, each time they died momentarily and then were reborn via duplicate molecular assembly from the "pattern buffer" containing their data. Yeah at a deep level of reflection, really really Creepy.
One thing ancient UIEs would be able to do is have total control over DNA genetic protein design and organic material qualities. UIEs would be capable of instantly knocking us out while we slept using vapor chemicals, and then after moving one elsewhere, process us including scanning our nervous systems in high detail at the cellular level. Thus might create myriad interacting advanced organic microbots swarms that could enter anyone's bloodstream via lung breathing and perform 3-Dimensional spatial mapping down to the molecular level.
Ancient UIEs billions maybe trillions of years old, would have enormous incentive to create a process to save otherwise mortal intelligent beings of their choosing on organic worlds of the universe. That would be the ultimate accomplishment they would receive greatest imaginable praise for from intelligent organic life that values existence. That is probably why Jesus was sent, in part to deliver the message of possible eternal life that was almost absent in the Old Testament. And the 4 gospel's scriptures are absolutely clear on the certainty of that offer of a gift of eternal life. After that the UIE mission on Earth departed except part of the Holy Spirit and his spirit Angels.
So, this person feels even if such a limited UIE god cannot do all the things an OOO god might from philosopher dreams, if he can give otherwise certain to die soon David the gift of eternal life so, then that "god" deserves all the endless love and worship he wants. And that includes the few requirements Jesus related and regular fellowship in a community of like others.
Consider how every second, trillions of solar neutrinos from the Sun, pass through every one of our bodies and continue all the way through planet Earth without hitting anything. What that reflects is how small neutrinos are versus even components of atoms. A 3-Dimensional XYZ scan using some like-small energy particles might be able to map our neural systems down to the level it could be container duplicated. Then any organic life form using brain wave EMC fields could become immortal, even your dog and cat pets.
But I expect those humans such UIEs might bother to save for eternal life would be rigidly limited to those meeting requirements while others would just like a stepped on ant, cease to exist eternally forward. For one thing, I would like to sometimes ski on H2O snow environments on alien worlds and walk among wildflowers in spring meadows, forever.
In addition to my post #53 above, I have related in other SF threads that I choose to believe in Jesus, Father, and Holy Spirit as something other than the kind of OOO god that is dogma dominant. An important question would be, if there truly is only a limited UIE kind of god and not an imagine anything is possible religious dominant type of god, then of what value does it have to we individuals and or to humanity?
If a race of UIEs has the technical ability to store/save the electromagnetic essence of what is happening in our organic nervous system, then it could possibly create a non-organic container for that field with identical impedances and the field would be identical to the original. In a sense that is why Jesus said one needs to die to be reborn as spirit. The fleshly body ends and before it is recreated from saved data in the new container, the mind EMC fields have ceased to exist thus might be considered dead.
That is essentially what was happening on Star Trek, every time Scotty beamed a person's essence around. None of that person's atoms and molecules were transported, only the data. Thus in the same way, each time they died momentarily and then were reborn via duplicate molecular assembly from the "pattern buffer" containing their data. Yeah at a deep level of reflection, really really Creepy.
One thing ancient UIEs would be able to do is have total control over DNA genetic protein design and organic material qualities. UIEs would be capable of instantly knocking us out while we slept using vapor chemicals, and then after moving one elsewhere, process us including scanning our nervous systems in high detail at the cellular level. Thus might create myriad interacting advanced organic microbots swarms that could enter anyone's bloodstream via lung breathing and perform 3-Dimensional spatial mapping down to the molecular level.
Ancient UIEs billions maybe trillions of years old, would have enormous incentive to create a process to save otherwise mortal intelligent beings of their choosing on organic worlds of the universe. That would be the ultimate accomplishment they would receive greatest imaginable praise for from intelligent organic life that values existence. That is probably why Jesus was sent, in part to deliver the message of possible eternal life that was almost absent in the Old Testament. And the 4 gospel's scriptures are absolutely clear on the certainty of that offer of a gift of eternal life. After that the UIE mission on Earth departed except part of the Holy Spirit and his spirit Angels.
So, this person feels even if such a limited UIE god cannot do all the things an OOO god might from philosopher dreams, if he can give otherwise certain to die soon David the gift of eternal life so, then that "god" deserves all the endless love and worship he wants. And that includes the few requirements Jesus related and regular fellowship in a community of like others.
Consider how every second, trillions of solar neutrinos from the Sun, pass through every one of our bodies and continue all the way through planet Earth without hitting anything. What that reflects is how small neutrinos are versus even components of atoms. A 3-Dimensional XYZ scan using some like-small energy particles might be able to map our neural systems down to the level it could be container duplicated. Then any organic life form using brain wave EMC fields could become immortal, even your dog and cat pets.
But I expect those humans such UIEs might bother to save for eternal life would be rigidly limited to those meeting requirements while others would just like a stepped on ant, cease to exist eternally forward. For one thing, I would like to sometimes ski on H2O snow environments on alien worlds and walk among wildflowers in spring meadows, forever.
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papa tiger
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You don't have to be cold; you sleep alone. Just wiggle your toes and bending fingers for an hour.
If you get too warm, just kick off your covers until you have to pee. Drink some tap water &
go back to wiggling your toes and bending your fingers for an hour. Failure is not an option!
If you get too warm, just kick off your covers until you have to pee. Drink some tap water &
go back to wiggling your toes and bending your fingers for an hour. Failure is not an option!
papa tiger
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Most likely all of Mans written stuff has nothing to do with Creation at all.
When looking out at the universe there's sort of the, is harmony and Chaos all
over the place?
Treat our neighbors as they would like to be treated. They
probably intend to take advantage of ya.
Love thy loved ones as they deserve it. Don't buy any products that have
been produced just for your needs. Rest when you feel like it.
If ya own a great power chair don't loan it out. All that sort of stuff!
Buy lots of Scout Cookies from lil Brownies. If a kid that knocks &
introduces himself as Bob a Boys Scout, slowly close the front door.
When looking out at the universe there's sort of the, is harmony and Chaos all
over the place?
Treat our neighbors as they would like to be treated. They
probably intend to take advantage of ya.
Love thy loved ones as they deserve it. Don't buy any products that have
been produced just for your needs. Rest when you feel like it.
If ya own a great power chair don't loan it out. All that sort of stuff!
Buy lots of Scout Cookies from lil Brownies. If a kid that knocks &
introduces himself as Bob a Boys Scout, slowly close the front door.