A Delta Airlines flight flips upside down at Toronto airport

KSav said:
That must have been terrifying! I wonder how many people were on board. The article doesn't specify but does note that 8 people were injured.
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Seems like a shuttle type flight so a smaller plane-whew.

It looks really windy in those pictures I wonder if they could've changed airports or aborted the landing.

Not that planes haven't wound up upside down but this the first time I've seen it and it's relatively intact.
 

What amazes me is that each incident and crash is different in it's own way basically giving examples of all that can go wrong.

On the other hand with the thousands of flights that completed the flight flawlessly these incidents probably not that big in the grand scheme or volume of flights unless one is injured or killed.
 
Yeah, super gusty winds today & bone chillingly cold as well. Much of the airport had very limited operations late Sat and Sunday due to a two day snow event and some periods of freezing rain early Sunday. Pearson airport has an impressive array of snow clearing & de-icing equipment though so conditions should have been safe for operations today with the exception of the unpredictable wind gusts and some possible blowing snow.
 
I guess I can't point the blame to the FAA today, yet!
As I inspect that plane upside down everything about the design seems wrong.
It looks to long to be loaded right is my engineering signature to that.
 
The facts. A Delta Airlines flight from Minneapolis to Toronto, crash landed up side down on runway 23. 60 persons on board. Three patients were transported to 3 different Toronto trauma centers, by Orange Air Ambulance helicopters. One pediatric patient went to Sick Children's hospital , one 61 year old male went to St Mikes hospital, and one 54 year old female went to Sunnybrook Health Care Centre. All 3 patients are in serious condition. . All three of the locations are level 3 trauma units.

Video showed the Delta aircraft upside down, with it's landing gear extended. Passengers were seen on the video walking away from the aircraft. Toronto Paramedics say that 7 adults were treated on scene for injuries, then transported to various local hospitals. There was no fire. Incoming flights are being landed on another runway on the opposite side of the airport. Some take offs have been delayed because runway 23 is out of service.

Further details are forthcoming. JIM.
 
Heard one report on the radio where a passenger said they skidded sideways on the runway after landing. One of the experts said the wind could've forced a wing to hit the ground and would help explain why a wing broke off.

The plane caught fire but was put out fast.
 
WhatInThe said:
Heard one report on the radio where a passenger said they skidded sideways on the runway after landing. One of the experts said the wind could've forced a wing to hit the ground and would help explain why a wing broke off.

The plane caught fire but was put out fast.
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Correction. BOTH wings were sheared off, and the aircraft was upside down on the runway, as shown in the videos. By 5 PM yesterday afternoon, flight operations at Pearson International Airport in Toronto, were back to normal, except for the closure of runway 23 where the Delta aircraft is located. The Canadian Air Transport Safety Board will be conducting the investigation into the cause of this incident.
 
jimintoronto said:
Correction. BOTH wings were sheared off, and the aircraft was upside down on the runway, as shown in the videos. By 5 PM yesterday afternoon, flight operations at Pearson International Airport in Toronto, were back to normal, except for the closure of runway 23 where the Delta aircraft is located. The Canadian Air Transport Safety Board will be conducting the investigation into the cause of this incident.
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The FAA and the NTSB are assisting in the investigation. My only hope is that none of these investigators come up with “Pilot Error.”
I was wondering how long before the Delta landed did another plane land in front of it and if it was a large plane like the Triple 7 would it have been possible for the larger plane to have created a wake that caused a phenomenon like a wind tunnel to occur, especially since the wind was already above normal expectations.

It’s just difficult to say, but I think the weather will be a factor somehow. I also think for pilots it’s kind of fun to take this apart and come up with possibilities. I could be blowing smoke, but like people do, some of us try to come up with a solution. For me, it’s just fun to attempt to take a stab at an answer.

I took into consideration that Runway 2-3 goes east to west and that the wind at the time of the accident was 270 degrees (W) @27kts. gusting to 35. That’s significant, but pilots train for landing with these types of winds.
 
oldman said:
The FAA and the NTSB are assisting in the investigation. My only hope is that none of these investigators come up with “Pilot Error.”
I was wondering how long before the Delta landed did another plane land in front of it and if it was a large plane like the Triple 7 would it have been possible for the larger plane to have created a wake that caused a phenomenon like a wind tunnel to occur, especially since the wind was already above normal expectations.

It’s just difficult to say, but I think the weather will be a factor somehow. I also think for pilots it’s kind of fun to take this apart and come up with possibilities. I could be blowing smoke, but like people do, some of us try to come up with a solution. For me, it’s just fun to attempt to take a stab at an answer.

I took into consideration that Runway 2-3 goes east to west and that the wind at the time of the accident was 270 degrees (W) @27kts. gusting to 35. That’s significant, but pilots train for landing with these types of winds.
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You must also consider the combination of gusty winds and a very slick runway that had experienced a lot of snow and snow clearing in the previous two days then plumeting temps and gusty winds the day of the mishap. I expect your guess is correct, weather will be a major factor in this incident when all is said & done.
 
MrPants said:
You must also consider the combination of gusty winds and a very slick runway that had experienced a lot of snow and snow clearing in the previous two days then plumeting temps and gusty winds the day of the mishap. I expect your guess is correct, weather will be a major factor in this incident when all is said & done.
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I have only ever flown into Canada once, but that was in good weather. I would imagine that the ground crews have their hands full to keep the runways clear during winter. I give all those people that keep the runways clear a hats off to them.

The worse takeoff I ever experienced was in Chicago at O’Hare. We were alerted that Chicago was in a blizzard warning and O’Hare had planned on closing the airport at 6 p.m. on that day. I was flying out to Honolulu (HNL) and we were scheduled to leave at 6:10. I told the flight attendants as soon as the plane had all of our passengers boarded, I would ask for permission to leave.

At 5:55, I was informed by the Purser that all passengers were onboard and seated. I checked with my Supervisor at United and they gave me permission to leave. I called the tower and they gave me permission to push back, taxi to the runway and lineup and wait. We were number four in line. I never thought we would get out before 6:00 p.m., but the ATC told everyone in line that we would be allowed to leave before closing the airport. The snow and wind had already started and we were informed that visibility was 1 mile. Actually, we couldn’t see the end of the runway.

I was a little nervous during the takeoff roll. The runway was slightly snow covered and it was windy. I don’t have my journal in front of me, but I think the wind was around 40kts, gusting to 55kts. We were flying a big plane, which was very heavy, so I kind of held my breath until the first officer gave me the “Rotate” command. We were off the runway in seconds.
 
Nathan said:
I'm amazed that there were no fatalities...actually surprised that there were survivors.
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When a plane gets inverted, if everyone is not strapped in, it’s likely that death may occur due to the fact that people who aren’t strapped in will hit the ceiling and there is a possibility of people breaking their neck.
 

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