A Delta Airlines flight flips upside down at Toronto airport

With all the plane crashes recently, I'm not flying anywhere and don't care how important it is. I'm just not doing it.
 
Wondering if the plane hit a small pile of drifting snow and/or ice which took away a smoother landing and control.

Looking at the fire it's a wonder there wasn't a catastrophic explosion. Maybe being wrong side up help prevent that.
 

Like I said....now it's become one incident a day! That must have been so frightening. An expert former pilot that ABC consults with on these issues said that the wing coming off likely saved lives because fuel is stored in the wing and it coming off likely averted a worse fire ending in tragedy because the explosion took place in the detached wing.

Three passengers were in critical condition, including a child. I hope all of the injured will be alright. As of last report, the critically injured are expected to make it.

@Oldeagle66 I feel as you do. I am not flying unless there's an emergency with my son or grandchildren and I have no other way to get there quickly. My son is set to fly to Chicago on Thursday when the same type of weather that caused a problem for that plane is predicted. I don't think the wind will be as bad though. In any case, I won't be at ease until he's back home safely.

I'm beginning to think we need a category dedicated to airplane mishaps!
 
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oldman said:
When a plane gets inverted, if everyone is not strapped in, it’s likely that death may occur due to the fact that people who aren’t strapped in will hit the ceiling and there is a possibility of people breaking their neck.
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As of noon today February the 18th all of the injured passengers have been released from Toronto hospitals, with the exception of 2 adults who are still being treated for serious injuries. The number of persons on board totaled 80 persons, 4 crew and 76 passengers.

Now for the really dumb part......Video shot inside the aircraft, by a passenger showed....People ON THEIR PHONES texting while the cabin crew were TRYING TO GET THEM TO LEAVE THE AIRCAFT. For god sakes, put down the phone and GET OUT OF THE PLANE. Idiots.
 
Before an hour passed a joke was already circulating here in New Jersey about the disaster:

CNN reported that the crash might have been caused by crosswinds.

MSNBC reported that the crash might have been caused by an icy runway.

BBC reported that the crash might have been caused by a faulty landing gear.

Fox News reported that the cause was a DEI hire.
 
I was told by an insider that the pilot was very new and had never flown a plane the size of this one. Not that it makes any difference, the first officer was flying the plane and was a female. The airline that was flying under the Delta name was Endeavor Air and is owned by Delta.

Considering the conditions of the airport landing and environment, the male Captain has received a lot of criticism for not handling the controls. He had a lot more experience than the young female pilot.

In my opinion, because no one was killed, God was watching over them.
 
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I was told by an insider that the pilot was very new and had never flown a plane the size of this one. Not that it makes any difference, the first officer was flying the plane and was a female. The airline that was flying under the Delta name was Endeavor Air and is owned by Delta.

Considering the conditions of the airport landing and environment, the male Captain has received a lot of criticism for not handling the controls. He had a lot more experience than the young female pilot.

In my opinion, because no one was killed, God was watching over them.
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One of the issues as to the pilots training and/or certifications is that this flight was contracted to a company called Endeavor Air.

Also wondering if Delta contracts the flight crew only or this contractor provides maintenance as well. And with contracting, sub contracting unless the customer specifies they want the same people a different person could show up every flight.
 
WhatInThe said:
One of the issues as to the pilots training and/or certifications is that this flight was contracted to a company called Endeavor Air.

Also wondering if Delta contracts the flight crew only or this contractor provides maintenance as well. And with contracting, sub contracting unless the customer specifies they want the same people a different person could show up every flight.
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The post in #38 states that Endeavor Air was owned by Delta. I had to research this in the book I have on all domesticate airlines.
Endeavor Air is a spinoff of Delta. They are centered in Minneapolis. Endeavor is noted for recruiting pilots from ATP air school, which is where I took my jet training. Endeavor also has their own maintenance crews, according to what I read.

I enjoyed my time at ATP and was recruited by Air Wisconsin, which flew a lot of short flights for United. This was how I was recruited by United and accepted a job flying the Boeing 737 to start before moving up to larger aircraft.
 
oldman said:
The post in #38 states that Endeavor Air was owned by Delta. I had to research this in the book I have on all domesticate airlines.
Endeavor Air is a spinoff of Delta. They are centered in Minneapolis. Endeavor is noted for recruiting pilots from ATP air school, which is where I took my jet training. Endeavor also has their own maintenance crews, according to what I read.

I enjoyed my time at ATP and was recruited by Air Wisconsin, which flew a lot of short flights for United. This was how I was recruited by United and accepted a job flying the Boeing 737 to start before moving up to larger aircraft.
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I have a niece who's husband just became a pilot and hopes to fly commercial airlines. He has been studying for quite a few years. I think he just passed the final test.
 
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I have a niece who's husband just became a pilot and hopes to fly commercial airlines. He has been studying for quite a few years. I think he just passed the final test.
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It all depends on what certification he holds. It’s a great career and if he is fortunate enough to fly with pilots who enjoy or are willing to train, he should have no issues advancing in his career. Be aware that there are some pilots in all airlines that do not like to train or teach young pilots the ins and outs of the business. There are a few that can be nasty. I don’t enjoy saying that, but it’s true and does happen.
 
oldman said:
It all depends on what certification he holds. It’s a great career and if he is fortunate enough to fly with pilots who enjoy or are willing to train, he should have no issues advancing in his career. Be aware that there are some pilots in all airlines that do not like to train or teach young pilots the ins and outs of the business. There are a few that can be nasty. I don’t enjoy saying that, but it’s true and does happen.
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Certifications? Do they limit the size or type of the plane or every different model a pilot flies they must be certified on? There are rumors it was the first time flying that model in the crash for that crew.

Sounds like Delta is using that subsidiary to get limit some liability and costs. Other companies and industries do that as well.
 
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Certifications? Do they limit the size or type of the plane or every different model a pilot flies they must be certified on? There are rumors it was the first time flying that model in the crash for that crew.

Sounds like Delta is using that subsidiary to get limit some liability and costs. Other companies and industries do that as well.
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No, but there are different certifications for flying, depending on what the plane is being used for. If the plane is a small single or double engine private plane, they only need a Private Pilot License, which if you put in the time, you can probably get your license in 6 months or less. I have known some guys to take lessons and spend a lot of money preparing to get their license and then when it was time to fly solo, they backed out. Some just back out due to becoming ill while thinking about it and some lose their nerve.

I didn't want to spend the afternoon typing, so I found a page that explains the different licenses and certifications. Great question and maybe if more people read the types of licenses and/or certifications, they also will have a better understanding that not any Ho-Jo can fly or is allowed to fly a plane. Anyone wanting to fly will need to make a commitment to putting in the time to get the proper license needed for the type of plane or job they are interested in.

I know a few farmers that buy small planes to dust their own crops. Up in Alaska, several people own a plane because it's the best and for many others, the easiest way to get around.

Pilot Licenses & Certs
 
WhatInThe said:
One of the issues as to the pilots training and/or certifications is that this flight was contracted to a company called Endeavor Air.

Also wondering if Delta contracts the flight crew only or this contractor provides maintenance as well. And with contracting, sub contracting unless the customer specifies they want the same people a different person could show up every flight.
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Endeavor Air is a spinoff of Delta. Delta is a great airline and should have know better that with the weather conditions inToronto at the time, the more experienced pilot should have landed the plane. I don’t care if the first officer was a male or female, the more experienced pilot should have been flying the plane.

After viewing the video, it appeared to me that the plane landing as hard as it did caused the plane to roll a bit to the right causing the wing to make contact with the runway and separated the wing from the fuselage where the fuel tanks are located and caused the fire. The plane skirting down the runway caused the flames to go towards the rear of the plane allowing the passengers to escape. It was very lucky no one was killed.

I am no aviation engineer or pilot, so it’s just my best guess.
 
WhatInThe said:
Breaking.-A Delta Airlines flight flipped upside down at a Toronto airport. Reports of injuries. Flipped on snowy runway after a weekend snow storm.

Delta Air Lines flight upside-down after crash leaves multiple injured at Toronto Pearson International Airport

Speedy recovery to survivors.
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I think all those people walking away alive is equal to the Miracle On The Hudson, which was pulled off by a guy named Sully Sullenberger .

Both incidents are unbelievable.
 

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