Do you think there are still very specific gender roles?

Alice November said:
My husband is busy these last two weeks doing everthing I usually do because I seriously sprained my midfoot. He is sure as good as I am at all the things ...... men now days know how to cook clean and do laundry and shop ......
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Keep in mind, he is taking care of you. What we men can do is not necessarily what we want to do or what we think is necessary to do for ourselves. We can move mountains if we think the result is worthwhile.
 

Lavinia said:
We have to acknowledge that women are handicapped by their lack of physical strength. Apart from that, most women have the mental capacity to do pretty much what men do.
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And we have to acknowledge that men are handicapped by a total inability to grow and deliver human beings.

I think a lot of our gender roles evolved from those two 'handicaps." Women simply could not do the hard physical labor of ranching or farming and men who wanted children needed women. Women needed to be protected by men while they were heavily pregnant or caring for a newborn and men needed to have food prepared for them when they came in from the fields. Women literally needed to keep the home fires burning.

Gender differences aren't all bad. I definitely have a nesting instinct, love my house and wouldn't want anyone else to care for it. My husband on the other hand loves his car, while someone could drive off with mine right now and I'd wave at him.

Check out our '"show us how you looked in your prime " thread. It didn't take the men long to start showing us pictures of their cars. :D
 
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Della said:
And we have to acknowledge that men are handicapped by a total inability to grow and deliver human beings.

I think a lot of our gender roles evolved from those two 'handicaps." Women simply could not do the hard physical labor of ranching or farming and men who wanted children needed women. Women needed to be protected by men while they were heavily pregnant or caring for a newborn and men needed to have food prepared for them when they came in from the fields. Women literally needed to keep the home fires burning.

Gender differences aren't all bad. I definitely have a nesting instinct, love my house and wouldn't want anyone else to care for it. My husband on the other hand loves his car, while someone could drive off with mine right now and I'd wave at him.

Check out our '"how us how you looked in your prime " thread. It didn't take the men long to start showing us pictures of their cars. :D
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Della you should go and spend some time on an Alpine summer farm or one in Georgia for that. No, go through some archives and read what women wrote who made the Jubilee Trail, the Oregon Trail or Sooners. I can show you how to hook chains on a tractor to pull a tree out or shoot and field dress a deer to drag it home to the nest. But trust me - I can dress, add warpaint and some sparkle and work a room when required to do so.

Oh yes, I love my nest. Loved every one. My first own car was a brand new red Porsche. A present from a boyfriend. One of Mumsy's Mercedes was on exhibit at the Frankfurt Automobile show. Platform, ropes, pretty girls.
 
I've not expressed my feelings on a lot of these gender type threads so I may as well go ahead and add my $.02.

I'm pretty much tired of all this trans, I identify as a 'X' and my pronoun is a 'X' bullcrap going around and being shoved down our throats nowadays.....I won't argue back and forth about how or why I feel as I do I'll just say what I have to say and be done with it.

There are only two human genders Male and Female....period.

If you're a biological female and start dressing and acting rough & tough like a lumberjack you are still female and if you're a biological male and start prancing around wearing a tutu and makeup you're still a male. No matter how you dress or what surgery you may have you are still what you were born....let me break it down even further, you can put lipstick on a pig but after you do it's still a pig.

Let me help those who still may be confused about which sex they are....#1 put your hand in your britches and feel around #2 get naked look in the mirror or #3 better and easier yet if you're still not sure just look on your dam birth certificate.

I'm done....y'all have a nice day.
 
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IKE said:
There are only two human genders Male and Female....period.
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That's both simplistic and untrue. For instance (from WebMD's What Is Intersex?):

What Does Intersex Mean?​

Intersex is an umbrella term for people who are born with one or more traits in their chromosomes, *******s, hormones, or internal reproductive organs that don’t fit the typical male or female patterns. Some of their traits might not match the sex they were assigned at birth or may combine traditionally understood male and female traits.

While intersex traits are often noticed at birth, the differences aren't always obvious then. People might discover they have intersex traits at puberty or in adulthood, sometimes as a result of medical testing for infertility. In rare instances, such differences are found in autopsies, after people have died.

It's important to note that intersex people may use varying terms to describe their differences. While many reject the language used by some medical organizations – "disorders of sex development" – some use the term "differences of sex development." The most widely used description is intersex.

Sex vs. Gender
To understand intersex differences, it helps to consider that sex and gender are not the same.

Sex is almost always defined as either female or male by the health care providers who help people give birth. It's what goes on birth certificates. The decision is most often based on the appearance of your *******s – whether it looks like you have a ***** or a ******. If testing is done, sex may also be defined by hormone levels, chromosomes, and reproductive anatomy, like having ovaries or testicles.
Gender is a more complex concept. Used at a cultural level, it means the behavior, appearance, and roles society expects of people, based on their assigned sexes. Those can differ from one culture and one time to another. Used individually, it can refer to your own perceptions and identity, regardless of your assigned sex at birth or the social perception of your gender.

Intersex people can have varying gender identities, like anyone else. Most have a gender identity that matches the sex they were assigned at birth. Being intersex isn't the same as being transgender. But if someone with intersex traits identifies with a gender different from their sex assigned at birth, they might consider themselves transgender. Or they might identify as nonbinary – meaning neither male or female – or other genders.
 
IKE said:
I'm pretty much tired of all this trans, I identify as a 'X' and my pronoun is a 'X' bullcrap going around and being shoved down our throats nowadays.....
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Me too.
IKE said:
There are only two human genders Male and Female....period.
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Period.
IKE said:
If you're a biological female and start dressing like a lumberjack you are still female No matter how you dress or what surgery you may have you are still what you were born....let me break in down even further, you can put lipstick on a pig but after you do it's still a pig
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True.
IKE said:
.if you're a biological male and start wearing a tutu and makeup
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The right term is "transvestite" but now they want to be called "woman".
IKE said:
....y'all have a nice day.
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You too! :)
 
The number of transgendered people is about 1 in 200. I don't understand how something so rare, so personal and so medical became an Issue for the general public. People are born all kinds of ways and some of those ways need fixing. Extra toes are removed, crooked legs are straightened, heart surgery is required. Why is it so hard to believe someone might have been exposed to too much of the wrong hormone while in the uterus and the visible parts don't match the brain?

The "sports problem" is even more rare. If out of a class of 200 one child is transgendered, then he/she may not even be interested in sports so it's probably about one in a thousand who wants to play sports.

[facetious] Those schools that do have a girl's basketball team only let five out of the hundred or so girls play! They are blatantly biased toward the tall ones! They have to be able to hit the basket most of the time! It's not fair! [/facetious]

The fact is sports have never been fair and the large majority of us don't make the team.
Twostep said:
Della you should go and spend some time on an Alpine summer farm or one in Georgia for that. No, go through some archives and read what women wrote who made the Jubilee Trail, the Oregon Trail or Sooners. I can show you how to hook chains on a tractor to pull a tree out or shoot and field dress a deer to drag it home to the nest. But trust me - I can dress, add warpaint and some sparkle and work a room when required to do so.
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When I said "evolved from" I expected you to know I was talking about the distant past, long before there were such things a tractors. When states like Ohio were cleared of their trees by the ax, the big stumps dug out with a shovel, and the hard ground plowed on foot for the first time, I really don't think any woman could have done that.
 
Joey said:
my wife always refused to change a flat car tire?
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Actually, Joey, it's not the tyre that you change, it is the whole wheel. I know this because I used to jack up our EK Holden and change the wheel when the tyre went flat.

I stopped doing this when the next car didn't have the same undercarriage, and I was afraid that the jack might slip and do me a damage. These days I just use the portable electric pump to inflate enough to drive to the nearest autoshop. At 82 years old I don't have to change a wheel to demonstrate anything.
 
StarSong said:
She didn't change her "sex" per se. She changed her gender.
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Thanks for the reminder. Sex is biological. Gender is rather different, it is a social construct that begins at birth when girl babies are dressed in pink and boys in blue. Gendered products and toys reinforce the male/female identification but for some children there is a strong preference for a gender role of the opposite sex.

I was a tomboy but never thought I was a boy. I just wanted the same opportunities and freedoms of boyhood.

Sex refers to biological differences (chromosomal, hormonal, reproductive), whereas gender refers to socially constructed roles, behaviors, activities, and expectations associated with femininity and masculinity. What Is The Difference Between Sex and Gender
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I'll mention something that's probably so obvious I didn't think to put it into my first reply. My great-grandparents had five children. Many families were large then. And since a man, back then, could find decently paying work more readily a women usually could, they probably never conceived of a non-traditional family arrangement. Mother ran the house and spent far more time with the children in their earlier years, the dad worked hard, got exhausted, and ate a good breakfast and supper, and attempted good sleep.
 
DebraMae said:
I have found two limitations to what I have been able to do in life, physical strength and closed minded people. One of my goals has always been to try and open some of those minds.

No, I don't think gender roles are specific now, thank goodness.
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I have another limitation that affected my career choices.
I was unqualified to be an air hostess or a policewoman.
At height 5ft 1 1/2 inches, I wasn't tall enough.
That I could accept.
 
DebraMae said:
Instead of "physical strength" I should have said physical limitations.
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Yes, physical strength can mostly be overcome given the right tools or machines.

Archimedes knew what he was talking about when he said (wrote?)

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world".

Archimedes
 

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