And so...the "recession" begins

Buckeye said:
Sorry, but that is patently false. For example, you could start a discussion of what US companies would prosper from the new tariffs. Just read an article early today about a Shrimp company that was seeing them as a good thing. i'm sure there are others. Or, if you are so inclined, what can a middle class family do to protect themselves from the negatives.

And I guess if you are unable to discuss finance without politics, yes, you need to move on.
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Why is the discussion between politics and finances patently false? :ROFLMAO: Keep hiding your head in the sand. I would expect that response from you. I don't care to hear your response re: a shrimp company's response to tariffs. I know exactly where you are coming from based on your past posts.

Time to move on, indeed.
 

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The plan is to purposely crash the economy because poor people are easier to control. Billionaires will get richer by buying stocks, homes, etc when the prices are low.

It’s not hard to find the information on why this is happening. 10 years ago I never would have believed this could happen in America.
 
seadoug said:
Why is the discussion between politics and finances patently false? :ROFLMAO: Keep hiding your head in the sand. I would expect that response from you. I don't care to hear your response re: a shrimp company's response to tariffs. I know exactly where you are coming from based on your past posts.

Time to move on, indeed.
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What is patently false is the claim that you can't discuss one without the other. Clearly most people can, and do, as is evidenced by most of the posts on here. Don't know why that's so hard for some folks to figure out...
 

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Someone has already posted that over $1 million was exported from there. New tariffs are just plugging the loopholes that someone is using to avoid existing tariffs. Maybe you need to do a little research. No guano.
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Seems you still have the grace of a sledgehammer and an inability to comprehend the sentiment.

If they are just loopholes being closed, then I would imagine there are many more territorial loopholes that need to be closed in a similar way, but haven't in this round of tariffs. I might be able to send the US a large list of other uninhabited islands they could put tariffs on.

If they are loopholes that is, and not just a mistake made by people inadvertently inputting the wrong data code. Then others fail to notice the error and wrongly assume all data is accurate, forgetting the basic rule: garbage in, garbage out. There will always be people who shape ‘data’ into whatever they want it to be. $1.7 million of "Capital Goods" shipped from those islands to the US in 2022.

Capital Goods as in meaning, infrastructure, as in buildings, possibly in the form of factories and or warehouses or offices and suchlike. That category could include vehicles, tools & machinery. Is infrastructure being listed as an export item from an uninhabited island? Sounds like the wrong manual data input to me. Or perhaps it accounts for some kind of temporary research infrastructure that was shipped & placed on that UNESCO World Heritage Island? Now being taxed on its return to the US?

If penguins were secretly exporting guano-based luxury fertilizers and other artisanal goods from those islands over the past two decades, they’d probably be more transparent than whatever actually accounts for the $2.9 million in US import data (of "All Goods") during that period from the Heard and McDonald's Islands. And at least they’d do it with more charm.

As for the British Indian Ocean Territory, I can't find any export data from there to the US, yet it’s now been slapped with a 15% tariff by the US. Odd, considering it’s a scattering of atolls in the middle of the Indian Ocean, mostly inhabited by the American military, and arguably better known for exporting bombs than goods, usually by dropping them on people from planes that have taken off from that British territory.
 
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Magna-Carta said:
Seems you still have the grace of a sledgehammer and an inability to comprehend the sentiment.

If they are just loopholes being closed, then I would imagine there are many more territorial loopholes that need to be closed in a similar way, but haven't in this round of tariffs. I might be able to send the US a large list of other uninhabited islands they could put tariffs on.

If they are loopholes that is, and not just a mistake made by people inadvertently inputting the wrong data code. Then others fail to notice the error and wrongly assume all data is accurate, forgetting the basic rule: garbage in, garbage out. There will always be people who shape ‘data’ into whatever they want it to be. $1.7 million of "Capital Goods" shipped from those islands to the US in 2022.

Capital Goods as in meaning, infrastructure, as in buildings, possibly in the form of factories and or warehouses or offices and suchlike. That category could include vehicles, tools & machinery. Is infrastructure being listed as an export item from an uninhabited island? Sounds like the wrong manual data input to me. Or perhaps it accounts for some kind of temporary research infrastructure that was shipped & placed on that UNESCO World Heritage Island? Now being taxed on its return to the US?

If penguins were secretly exporting guano-based luxury fertilizers and other artisanal goods from those islands over the past two decades, they’d probably be more transparent than whatever actually accounts for the $2.9 million in US import data (of "All Goods") during that period from the Heard and McDonald's Islands. And at least they’d do it with more charm.

As for the British Indian Ocean Territory, I can't find any export data from there to the US, yet it’s now been slapped with a 15% tariff by the US. Odd, considering it’s a scattering of atolls in the middle of the Indian Ocean, mostly inhabited by the American military, and arguably better known for exporting bombs than goods, usually by dropping them on people from planes that have taken off from that British territory.
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Sorry, but I just call a spade a spade, and when necessary I can call it a ____ shovel. And those islands can be/are being used as a way around tariffs. Don't know why that's so difficult for some folks to grasp. Happy guano.
 
Who_so_ever said:
:ROFLMAO: Maybe the rules are suggestions?
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The rules have always been straight-forward. It's the partisan politics that are not allowed. Example would be something that happened here yesterday. Tariff talk is "politics" on one level, sure... but it wasn't until someone started bashing particular politicians that it crossed the line. All kinds of topics could be considered "politics" but it's when politicians or their administrations or party affiliations are brought up that it breaks forum rules.
 
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CallMeKate said:
The rules have always been straight-forward. It's the partisan politics that are not allowed. Example would be something that happened here yesterday. Tariff talk is "politics" on one level, sure... but it wasn't until someone started bashing particular politicians that it crossed the line. All kinds of topics could be considered "politics" but it doesn't really take a PhD to understand that it's when politicians or their administrations or party affiliations are brought up that it breaks forum rules.
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I tend to avoid online politics. People get entirely too rude & hateful when you disagree with them. :)
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Perhaps not. But IMHO there are some things that need to be said and some things that need to be read! This is our life and livelihood we're talking about. Almost everything can be viewed as political when you get right down to it. But as seniors, we need to be aware and kept aware about what's going on with our money!

For instance, there's a very confusing rule about Social Security. Do all of us need to show up at a SS office to verify in person or just people who are just signing up or changing their banks? I've seen articles that say both. Being unaware could cost people their benefits. Should we not be able to warn each other about possible consequences of not abiding by new rules because they may have been instituted due to politics?!

I would hate to see anyone here, especially those who depend solely on SS, be cut off because they weren't warned. I know...there is a very fine line. I'm trying not to cross it....honest. This short rant is not aimed at you or anyone else Mack, it's just my take on the reality we're facing. 😒
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Yes, these are important issues. Whether or not a thread is removed depends on how it evolves. My projection was simply based on observations of what has happened to threads such as this in the past. It may not happen to this one. [?]

As to your second paragraph, my understanding is that we only need to interact with SS online or at a local office if we are signing up for SS, or changing banks. However, we are finding out that the rules keep changing every day, so it's impossible to know what comes next.
 
It's at times like these when I think back to the movie, Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Full of memorable scenes. Well, mostly. I didn't remember my education being like this though.


Just for historical purposes. The movie, Ferris Bueller's Day Off:

 
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KSav said:
You didn't "upset [me] so much." I found your reaction to be a bit odd, that's all.

Political threads are allegedly prohibited on this forum. I'm not sure why this one is still up.
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I'm glad I didn't upset you. I wasn't laughing at you nor the rules of the forum. I just found your comment humorous for the mere fact that many threads turn to political discussions on this forum.

I don't start these threads I just add my opinion on some of them. Also, I didn't say topics like finance, economics, taxes, etc ARE political topics, I said " they can all turn into divisive political threads".
 
CallMeKate said:
The rules have always been straight-forward. It's the partisan politics that are not allowed. Example would be something that happened here yesterday. Tariff talk is "politics" on one level, sure... but it wasn't until someone started bashing particular politicians that it crossed the line. All kinds of topics could be considered "politics" but it's when politicians or their administrations or party affiliations are brought up that it breaks forum rules.
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@CallMeKate, I agree 100%
 
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Buckeye said:
I see that some of the more egregious violations have been removed/edited. It's a shame some folks think they don't have to follow the rules.
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@Buckeye, "practice what you preach" since I see you made a "Like" comment on papa tigers post that starts off with "The Donalds mouth may not be doing kindness now!" See CallMeKate's post #37 above that you made a "Like" comment on.

I'm not offended by your liking papa tiger's political rhetoric that starts off with a snarky remark about DJT, I just don't like hypocrites.

Also, if you are referring to me removing a reply to KSAV, all I said was "Relax KSav, I was not laughing at you"

Lastly, if I edit a comment, it is to correct a misspelled word or to fix my grammar or revise my opinion to ensure I don't make an ambiguous comment.
 
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UpstateGal said:
@Buckeye, "practice what you preach" since I see you made a "Like" comment on papa tigers post that starts off with "The Donalds mouth may not be doing kindness now!" See CallMeKate's post #37 above that you made a "Like" comment on.

I'm not offended by your liking papa tiger's political rhetoric that starts off with a snarky remark about DJT, I just don't like hypocrites.

Also, if you are referring to me removing a reply to KSAV, all I said was "Relax KSav, I was not laughing at you"

Lastly, if I edit a comment, it is to correct a misspelled word or to fix my grammar or revise my opinion to ensure I don't make an ambiguous comment.
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lol - I have no idea what papa tigers' comment about the President means or meant, my approval was for the "don't buy imported junk" in the second paragraph. Sorry to upset your delicate sensibilities. And, no, I have no interest in your & Ksav's side bar discussion, nor what you edit or don't edit. Another poster had made several direct political references in his posts, and those disappeared, either by his own edit or by Matrix. That is what I was referring to. Jeebus.
 
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Buckeye said:
lol - I have no idea what papa tigers' comment about the President means or meant, my approval was for the "don't by imported junk" in the second paragraph. Sorry to upset your delicate sensibilities. And, no, I have no interest in your & Ksav's side bar discussion, nor what you edit or don't edit. Another poster had made several direct political references in his posts, and those disappeared, either by his own edit or by Matrix. That is what I was referring to. Jeebus.
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Delicate sensibilities? Is that suppose to be an insult? :ROFLMAO:🤣:ROFLMAO:
 
Ai yi yi... can we get back to the tariffs, please?

Even the staunchest supporters of this president readily acknowledge his word is not his bond. He hoists all manner of ideas up the flagpole to see who salutes them, rolling many back down with barely a shrug and little explanation ("I was being sarcastic.") when they evaporate.

This isn't necessarily a criticism. I've never been an expert negotiator, quite the opposite. Even bargaining with street vendors in Tijuana was beyond my abilities.

Perhaps he has some kind of tactic in mind that will yield advantageous international trading policies for the US. I don't know what that advantage might be or how it might help the US, but my paltry negotiating skills are limited to: What's the price? "Ok, I'll buy it." or "No thanks."

What I do know for sure - tariffs have become a main topic of conversation that's scaring the pants off a lot of Americans and pissing off a lot of the international community. .
1. When Americans get nervous about finances, we close our wallets.
2. When other countries' citizens believe US policies are unfair to them (whether or not they actually are), they boycott American goods.

I hope this resolves very soon - without inflicting pain on Americans or the rest of the world.
 
I am lust loving watching this "sailing as close to the wind as possible" demo - fascinating!! masterful and mistressful??
 
hollydolly said:
Noo you dont...you're not going anywhere... I hope... this is crazy, you're a good person and an asset to the forum.. don't let anyone push you out...
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Thanks, @hollydolly; for your kind comments. I am going to take a bit of a break, but I'll likely come back. I get too upset about some of the comments that get made. I should avoid threads like this for that reason. And oftentimes I type faster than my brain can think.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I have not forgotten the debacle of 2008 and who brought us out of it.
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...and the debackle in 1943. All the banks closed their doors and caused a financial panic. People rushed to get all their money out of the banks. The whole banking system closed.

Then Franklin Roosevelt said these few words that changed everything...
"I firmly believe that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

And with that the banks opened and the people put their money back in.
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well I was around then but didn't feel a thing - wrapped in swaddling summat?
 

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