Medicaid and Food Stamps may be abolished!!!

Teacher Terry said:
Because the wealthy people are their friends and own the corporations. They seek to make themselves and all of their friends and associates much richer. They are trying to make poor people scapegoats of the middle class. If the middle class hates poor people, then they can’t see that the rich and powerful are continuing to rob them.
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Sorry, I typed too fast and sent the text before its end. I corrected it above.
I totally agree with you!
 

It seems to me that the definition of the word ‘need’ has changed dramatically during my lifetime.

In my city over 30% of the residents receive some form of government assistance other than Social Security and Medicare.

IMO that is an unsustainable situation and our social programs need to be trimmed to the point where we take care of the most vulnerable without providing services to those that are not truly in need.

I don’t agree with the way many of these reviews and cuts are being done but I absolutely believe that they are necessary.
 

Pepper, buy an Echo Show from Amazon. Then play Christian music on it during all your waking hours. That will help you cope with any problems. I have five Echo Shows and play Christian music on them many hours each day. Christ in songs makes one feel better. I am age 90 and my Geriatrician has been telling me for the last 5 years that I have just 1 year to live.

So far as I am concerned, only Jesus can give one hope to conquer death and achieve immortality in Heaven.
 
Mitch86 said:
Pepper, buy an Echo Show from Amazon. Then play Christian music on it during all your waking hours. That will help you cope with any problems. I have five Echo Shows and play Christian music on them many hours each day. Christ in songs makes one feel better. I am age 90 and my Geriatrician has been telling me for the last 5 years that I have just 1 year to life.

So far as I am concerned, only Jesus can give one hope to conquer death and achieve immortality in Heaven.
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I'm not a Christian, thank you. Why can't you stop being so morose? Your posts depress me, I shouldn't read them anymore.
 
I actually have a couple friends that are 90+ and all of them are still focused on living and what they are doing in their lives. None of them talk about death. They seem to have a lot better mental health than you do Mitch. It might really help your outlook to focus on the positive
 
Teacher Terry, I spend most of my waking hours playing the computer game, Civilization VI. In that game I can KILL millions, atomize cities and live as a conquering hero unless the AI player destroys me which happens a lot! That will get your mind off your problems!
 
Knight said:
Thank You I appreciate learning about the provisions in legislation that could negatively impact a massive amount people & the time frame it would take.
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Knight, I found these two articles. The second one is quite detailed regarding the proposed cuts and how states' programs would be affected. This is an excerpt from the first:
"Reducing Medicaid services "would have profound effects on their health," says David Grabowski, health economist at Harvard Medical School. "These are services they need every day to bathe themselves, dress themselves, get themselves to the kitchen." Cuts could lead to hospitalizations, emergency room visits, and in some cases early death, he adds."
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59261/medicaid-cuts-long-term-care-caregivers
From the second article:
  • "To further put the proposed federal cuts in perspective, they are equivalent to all Medicaid spending on 3 million seniors and people with disabilities (18% of enrollees in that group), 14 million other adults (38% in that group), or 22 million children enrolled in Medicaid (76% of that group). These figures are meant to put the magnitude of the cuts in perspective, not to suggest that states would achieve savings by eliminating coverage by these amounts. The effects of federal cuts on Medicaid spending and coverage would depend on the specific policies enacted."
  • https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-...xt=Key Take-Aways,of state taxes per resident.
 
Deya said:
In some cases yes, but in many, such as this thread where it is said that Medicaid may be cut and 100k will die, isn't an opinion, just false narrative based on nonsense spouted by some news source that has a reputation of one false narrative after another. It is a speculation based on nothing. A dangerous one meant to incite hate against one political party and movement or politician. It goes along with the false Nazi narrative that was spouted until it meant nothing.

It isn't any mystery who the poster is blaming for this imaginary genocide. What political party is making changes to Medicaid? You see, it is just that easy to be political without mentioning or bashing any politicians. This is what I mean about lightly veiled politics. It is like putting a see thru top over a black bra. No one is confused about the bra color.
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The portion in bold above was made by another member of the forum, not me. As you may recall, I indicated that false narratives are often opinions (and vice versa).

To your last paragraph, I have nothing to do with forum rules. Sorry.

Edited to correct 1st paragraph.
 
You're not Chicken Little. The simple fact is (without mentioning any party or person) there have been certain people in this country who have always been against Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. That's a fact. When I was in my 20's in New York City, older people were always telling me that they were so afraid that their Social Security, and Medicare, would be taken away. They told me that they wouldn't be able to live without those 2 things. I never forgot that. Plus I knew that some day, that I would need them also.
 
Deya said:
In some cases yes, but in many, such as this thread where it is said that Medicaid may be cut and 100k will die, isn't an opinion, just false narrative based on nonsense spouted by some news source that has a reputation of one false narrative after another. It is a speculation based on nothing. A dangerous one meant to incite hate against one political party and movement or politician.

It isn't any mystery who the poster is blaming for this imaginary genocide. What political party is making changes to Medicaid? You see, it is just that easy to be political without mentioning or bashing any politicians. This is what I mean about lightly veiled politics. It is like putting a see thru top over a black bra. No one is confused about the bra color.
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You know Deya, you were complaining that the thread about the murders in Minnesota was too political and it got closed. Now you're complaining that this thread is too political and I'm afraid it would be closed. In both threads, it seemed to me that you yourself were the only person being blatantly political. To me everything you were saying in the thread above, the parts I've bolded, are in this post of yours:

Deya said:
What is being cut is the fraud, not the programs. Repeating false narratives put out by those that politically oppose those working to cut the massive fraud and waste of tax payers money, only causes hate and division among good people. It serves no good purpose on a forum like this. No poor person is being cut off, not a single one, unless they are fake poor and getting tax payer money under false claim.
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To me, it sounds like you're listening to a certain news channel and accepting everything they say as gospel. How could you or anyone possibly believe that not one poor person would be cut off or that only fraud was being cut off not clinics and services that help many people? In order to believe such sweeping absolutes I think you must be following a certain politician whole heartedly. But that's just my opinion and you're entitled to yours, so why can't the rest of us express ours even if , in the process, we expose our bra colors?

I find your view point interesting and I think we can all discuss murders and welfare fraud without getting into a big fight over it and that's the only thing that really isn't allowed here.
 
Pepper said:
I'm not a Christian, thank you. Why can't you stop being so morose? Your posts depress me, I shouldn't read them anymore.
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Hey Pepper.... have I told you lately that I love you? :giggle: (y)❤️ Seriously, I stopped paying attention, too... 90% (at least) of "someone's" posts/threads are about death and that's been going on since I arrived 2.5 years ago. It sure creates a black pit and should come with a trigger warning. @Pepper
 
Mitch86 said:
Teacher Terry, I spend most of my waking hours playing the computer game, Civilization VI. In that game I can KILL millions, atomize cities and live as a conquering hero unless the AI player destroys me which happens a lot! That will get your mind off your problems!
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Sounds like one of the original Star Trek episodes. I'll bet the people who developed that game stole it from there.

 
Pepper said:
Exactly, and it's tiresome. Stop complaining, @Deya, FGS! The only one whose mind is on politics seems to be you. If you're confused, or upset, how about leaving thread alone? Or, just join in and relax. Thank you
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I will take your advice and avoid any topic that is presented as a Hot Button topic that smacks of politics, whether I agree or not.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I just don't see people, who use food stamps, drive off in Firaris. They look like people, who need food stamps, and medical care. I guess we could save a buck or two by cutting those programs, ahh what's a little starvation and early death- that'll toughen them up.
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True story. My sister was shopping at a supermarket in an area where mostly the affluent lived. She said she saw a rich looking White lady at the register who had bought lobster, among other things. She checked out using food stamps and proceeded to drive away in a white Mercedes.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
True story. My sister was shopping at a supermarket in an area where mostly the affluent lived. She said she saw a rich looking White lady at the register who had bought lobster, among other things. She checked out using food stamps and proceeded to drive away in a white Mercedes.
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Our food stamp recipients have a food debit card. Not in every case but some and frequently, for items they can't buy with the card, they pull out $100 bills. An example is for beer, sometimes several cases of it. Most drive newer vehicles worth over 40K. Lots of BMWs and Mercedes. Some live in expensive neighborhoods. One of my neighbors explained it to me because he does the same thing but for the poorer folks in our middle class neighborhood.

A landlord buys a large expensive house with many bedrooms and baths. They rent out the rooms to multiple families. Those families usually work for a labor contractor that pays them in cash since they are considered temporaries, so no taxes. They can draw food card assistance because they show little income, just enough to show they have some but stay under any taxable income. They pay their rent in cash, so the landlord pays little or no taxes. They report enough to explain how they pay their mortgage. Many times the vehicles are leased, so no value is assigned, but rather a liability.
 
Appearances alone - such as cars, clothing, etc. aren't a reliable guideline for determining fraud. Many legitimate beneficiaries are immobile or cannot personally get to stores to shop for themselves, and someone has to shop for them.

The SNAP program allows an authorized representative to shop for the beneficiary. Authorization to do so is a formal process which involves contacting the local assistance office and obtaining official designation as a shopper for the recipient. This helps protect both the recipient and the person shopping from accusations of misuse.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Appearances alone - such as cars, clothing, etc. aren't a reliable guideline for determining fraud. Many legitimate beneficiaries are immobile or cannot personally get to stores to shop for themselves, and someone has to shop for them.

The SNAP program allows an authorized representative to shop for the beneficiary. Authorization to do so is a formal process which involves contacting the local assistance office and obtaining official designation as a shopper for the recipient. This helps protect both the recipient and the person shopping from accusations of misuse.
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I agree, it seemed much worse years ago when they actually issued food stamps or coupons and people used to stand at the entrance of the supermarket trying to sell them for half price.

There will always be some form of fraud or misuse but that may be a bit better than controlling it so tightly that deserving people are excluded.

It’s sad and a bit frustrating that these things are so complicated.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Appearances alone - such as cars, clothing, etc. aren't a reliable guideline for determining fraud. Many legitimate beneficiaries are immobile or cannot personally get to stores to shop for themselves, and someone has to shop for them.

The SNAP program allows an authorized representative to shop for the beneficiary. Authorization to do so is a formal process which involves contacting the local assistance office and obtaining official designation as a shopper for the recipient. This helps protect both the recipient and the person shopping from accusations of misuse.
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True, but authorized shoppers are very few. Also most of the authorized shoppers I know don't drive expensive vehicles. Most drive older vans or SUV's and shop for several folks at once. They couldn't get all the groceries in a sports car. I never get in line behind these shoppers because they take a long time getting the right groceries charged on the right card. All the authorized professional shoppers I know are seniors that need a supplemental income. Other authorized shoppers maybe grandkids or friends that aren't paid by the state.

While expensive cars and expensive clothes maybe not be a 100% indication of a misuse or fraud of a shopper, it certainly is a concern and leaves a bad feeling for those honest folks that struggle to make ends meet and feed their families, like the young mother that can't afford steak and opts once again for hamburger, just to stand behind someone purchasing expensive steaks with a food assistance card. It isn't all that uncommon. I suppose it depends where you live as to what you observe.
 

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