Air India Jet Bound for the UK has crashed on take off...242 on board

I saw a recent video, I think by Mentour Pilot, that said Boeing sent out an advisory about the fuel cutoff switch (on the crashed India model), stressing that it should have been an alert instead of an advisory. I think he said it went out a couple years ago. Had it been an alert, replacements would have been required sooner than later.

But then I watched a video saying the switches HAD been replaced on that plane, and in a timely manner. Lots of experts and pilots are contradicting each other about this crash. Obviously, no one will have the full picture until a complete report with audio recordings is published. Meanwhile, thousands of these planes are still in the air everyday.

Thanks, oldman!
Every plane I flew, it was almost impossible to mistakenly or by accident change the location of the fuel switch to on or off. Even with a weak spring, it would be difficult because the pilot has to pull the switch up and above the serrated cutout of where the switch is placed and then moved to the next position and dropped into that serrated position. I wish I could draw a small diagram to show how the switch works.

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Every plane I flew, it was almost impossible to mistakenly or by accident change the location of the fuel switch to on or off. Even with a weak spring, it would be difficult because the pilot has to pull the switch up and above the serrated cutout of where the switch is placed and then moved to the next position and dropped into that serrated position. I wish I could draw a small diagram to show how the switch works.

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One of the pilots I watch on YouTube showed the switch on a simulator.

I mentioned the spring because it was one of the arguments on a podcast for "could have happened without being touched." I haven't checked for an update since early yesterday, but I don't think that camp will win that argument.
 
The spring inside the switch could weaken, which is what the Boeing advisory was about, so some were arguing a weakened spring could cause movement while others are saying No, and Irrelevant because it had been replaced.

But it's obvious the switch was moved, twice, and that it was done manually, intentionally but possibly mistakenly.
I "think" we are both leaning towards the same conclusion that the fuel switch may not have been moved inadvertently. That's a horrible thought that a pilot would crash his plane with passengers onboard. Every now and then, we read about a pilot committing suicide by pilot on commercial airliners, but it also has happened on military planes as well, however, it is very rare and probably more rare than on commercial planes. I remember the crash talked about in the link. I think you will be surprised at the reason for the suicide.

A-10 Crash
 

I "think" we are both leaning towards the same conclusion that the fuel switch may not have been moved inadvertently.

A-10 Crash
It was moved intentionally, and I don't see how a pilot could mistake a cutoff switch for something else.

But the only thing we know for sure so far is that the crash wasn't caused by a mechanical failure. If investigators found it was, then some kind of bulletin, alert, or recall would have been issued by now. (imo)
 
One of the pilots I watch on YouTube showed the switch on a simulator.

I mentioned the spring because it was one of the arguments on a podcast for "could have happened without being touched." I haven't checked for an update since early yesterday, but I don't think that camp will win that argument.
Even if we removed the spring, the switch would still need to be lifted to be moved. And to think that both switches would need to be moved is illogical to me. It doesn’t make sense that both springs broke at the same time.
 
Even if we removed the spring, the switch would still need to be lifted to be moved. And to think that both switches would need to be moved is illogical to me. It doesn’t make sense that both springs broke at the same time.
Today's update from the Wall St Journal says the cockpit recordings were finally released to the NTSB, and it's clear this was intentional suicide/homicide and that the captain is the culprit. Captain remained calm throughout; 2nd pilot "panicked" but tried everything he could to relight the engines and attempt to gain altitude.
 
Today's update from the Wall St Journal says the cockpit recordings were finally released to the NTSB, and it's clear this was intentional suicide/homicide and that the captain is the culprit. Captain remained calm throughout; 2nd pilot "panicked" but tried everything he could to relight the engines and attempt to gain altitude.
That’s insane. It sounds like oldman was right when he wrote ‘intentional misconduct.’ It’s hard to fathom that a pilot would do that. I am able to understand now why the pilot moved the switches at 625 feet.
 
Today's update from the Wall St Journal says the cockpit recordings were finally released to the NTSB, and it's clear this was intentional suicide/homicide and that the captain is the culprit. Captain remained calm throughout; 2nd pilot "panicked" but tried everything he could to relight the engines and attempt to gain altitude.
Oh, shoot. I am really sorry to hear this. I prayed that this wasn’t going to be the case. For one of our own to kill 244 passengers and crew is absolutely God awful and probably for many family members will be unforgivable and June 12, 2025 will be a day of remembrance for them.

This may sound morbid, but I had been thinking about this accident and if it turns out to be pilot suicide why did he choose to do it at 600 or so feet. My guess is (and we will never know the truth) that he wanted to die, but not be disassembled, if you know what I mean, which probably would have been the case had he reached cruising altitude of 35,000+ feet.
 
That’s insane. It sounds like oldman was right when he wrote ‘intentional misconduct.’ It’s hard to fathom that a pilot would do that. I am able to understand now why the pilot moved the switches at 625 feet.
It would have been great if I was wrong. I am a bit surprised that the India Safety Board released this information.

Here is another crash that came to mind when the first officer flying for Egypt Air committed pilot suicide. The Egyptian government would not accept blame, even though the CVR or cockpit voice recorder stated it differently.

EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed on October 31, 1999, into the Atlantic Ocean. The crash resulted in the deaths of all 217 passengers and crew. While the exact cause remains disputed, the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigation concluded that the first officer, Gameel Al-Batouti, intentionally crashed the plane. This conclusion was based on cockpit voice recorder evidence and other factors. The Egyptian authorities disputed this finding, suggesting a mechanical failure was the cause.
 
Oh, shoot. I am really sorry to hear this. I prayed that this wasn’t going to be the case. For one of our own to kill 244 passengers and crew is absolutely God awful and probably for many family members will be unforgivable and June 12, 2025 will be a day of remembrance for them.

This may sound morbid, but I had been thinking about this accident and if it turns out to be pilot suicide why did he choose to do it at 600 or so feet. My guess is (and we will never know the truth) that he wanted to die, but not be disassembled, if you know what I mean, which probably would have been the case had he reached cruising altitude of 35,000+ feet.

If he had done it at 35,000 feet isn't there a chance that there would have been enough time for the co-pilot to overpower the captain and save the plane?
 
Oh, shoot. I am really sorry to hear this. I prayed that this wasn’t going to be the case. For one of our own to kill 244 passengers and crew is absolutely God awful and probably for many family members will be unforgivable and June 12, 2025 will be a day of remembrance for them.

This may sound morbid, but I had been thinking about this accident and if it turns out to be pilot suicide why did he choose to do it at 600 or so feet. My guess is (and we will never know the truth) that he wanted to die, but not be disassembled, if you know what I mean, which probably would have been the case had he reached cruising altitude of 35,000+ feet.
If he had done it at 35,000 feet isn't there a chance that there would have been enough time for the co-pilot to overpower the captain and save the plane?
I'm sure Trade is right, @oldman . Re-ignition would've likely been successful, plus, at 35000ft, the plane basically flies itself, so 2nd pilot could have gotten help from crew to restrain the captain and gotten on the radio for an emergency landing.
 
He could have possibly offered the first officer to take a bathroom break and had he left the cockpit, did the same as the Germanwings pilot did and lock the door behind him after he left. There is no entry after that.

He also could have brought a pistol onboard and shot the first officer, or maybe put knockout drops in his coffee. There are ways to take care of the other pilot. I don’t want to go into details, but this is all speculation anyway.

I think he chose the low altitude to avoid being torn apart from a high altitude dive.
 
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A German copilot flew a plan into the mountains killing everybody A few years ago..
He flew the plane into the side of the Alps. It was later discovered that the F/O was under psychiatric care and was not cleared to fly by his psychiatrist, but failed to alert the airline.
 

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