The President's Speech

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Just watched the Presidents remarks on the Oregon shooting. I thought he was great. Truth in every word. Tells it exactly as it is, and in the end we will do nothing.
 

The President knows that nothing will be done.. and that is what is so frustrating to him... and to the rest of us. We are controlled by the wealthy few.. and those that would be responsible for changing those laws are the ones whose jobs depend on keeping the status quo.. Congress will NOT do anything so long as they need the campaign contributions.
 
And Democrat Reid is one of those that will not do anything to stop gun possession.

Obama could have done this 6 years ago. He just has to start the idea and give it to Congress to debate. That is how this country is supposed to work. He has just asked some folks in this country to make big scenes and force the issue to be brought up. Most folks don't want to change the Constitution or take rights away from their neighbors or relatives even when they themselves don't have a gun.

I don't have a gun but I often see most of the people of the US having guns would be a deterrent to many outside types if a shoot up war was started.

We still do not have any knowledge of who did the shooting, why, etc. The Sheriffs said they would not be able to speak out for 24 or 48 hours more. Was this person registered with a gun? Was this person on drugs? Was this person a mental type? And many more questions that need answered.
 

Isn't that what the fear is? or at least one of the favorite reasons some use to arm themselves to the teeth? That the citizenry might have to defend itself against a tyrannical government?
 
BobF said:
And Democrat Reid is one of those that will not do anything to stop gun possession.

Obama could have done this 6 years ago. He just has to start the idea and give it to Congress to debate. That is how this country is supposed to work. He has just asked some folks in this country to make big scenes and force the issue to be brought up. Most folks don't want to change the Constitution or take rights away from their neighbors or relatives even when they themselves don't have a gun.

I don't have a gun but I often see most of the people of the US having guns would be a deterrent to many outside types if a shoot up war was started.

We still do not have any knowledge of who did the shooting, why, etc. The Sheriffs said they would not be able to speak out for 24 or 48 hours more. Was this person registered with a gun? Was this person on drugs? Was this person a mental type? And many more questions that need answered.
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It doesn't matter if the shooter was crazy or on drugs.....the issue is he was able to access guns.
 
QuickSilver said:
No matter Mitchezz.... it's all Obama's and Harry Reid's fault for not getting gun control passed... Ask Bob.. lol!!
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Not true at all QuickSilver. Most of the country does not want the Constitution messed with, so it gets left alone. I do not own a gun and do appreciate the way our Constitution is designed and the way any amendments to it get handled. It does not just happen. It needs proposed and debated in both houses of Congress. If passed it has a long ride through all 50 states and I think it is near 70% (guess) need to agree before it can be changed. It looks like at least a two year journey for simple ones and maybe much longer if somewhat controversial.
 
In a culture of denial, (perpetuated by wealth, special interests, religious extremism,) blame of President Obama is inevitable. When reason is ignored/repressed, the hysterical becomes the new reality, no matter how specious. Demagogues whip up fear to distract from the grim reality. My heart goes out to the American people whose children are dying again and again and again, while they seem helpless to avert it.
 
BobF said:
Not true at all QuickSilver. Most of the country does not want the Constitution messed with, so it gets left alone. I do not own a gun and do appreciate the way our Constitution is designed and the way any amendments to it get handled. It does not just happen. It needs proposed and debated in both houses of Congress. If passed it has a long ride through all 50 states and I think it is near 70% (guess) need to agree before it can be changed. It looks like at least a two year journey for simple ones and maybe much longer if somewhat controversial.
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No one has to "mess with the Constitution" to enact a better way of keeping firearms out of the hands of the deranged and the violent. There is not one thing in the 2nd Amendment that guarantees EVERY American the right to be armed. If that were so, why is it illegal for convicted felons to be armed? Legislation can be passed that would assist in keeping firearms in the hands of responsible parties and removing them from the hands of those irresponsible. Has nothing to do with the President or Reid. Has EVERYTHING to do with the GOP legislators bought off with gun lobby dollars. No sense in making any attempt at running legislation through Congress that you know will be filibustered or voted down. This is unlike the GOP who want to spend time legislating their own set of morals and religion, even if they know it won't get past the House.
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
No one has to "mess with the Constitution" to enact a better way of keeping firearms out of the hands of the deranged and the violent. There is not one thing in the 2nd Amendment that guarantees EVERY American the right to be armed. If that were so, why is it illegal for convicted felons to be armed? Legislation can be passed that would assist in keeping firearms in the hands of responsible parties and removing them from the hands of those irresponsible. Has nothing to do with the President or Reid. Has EVERYTHING to do with the GOP legislators bought off with gun lobby dollars. No sense in making any attempt at running legislation through Congress that you know will be filibustered or voted down. This is unlike the GOP who want to spend time legislating their own set of morals and religion, even if they know it won't get past the House.
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Don't even bother trying GOM..... Bob gets frustrated by facts That are not out of his imagination.
 
QuickSilver said:
Isn't that what the fear is? or at least one of the favorite reasons some use to arm themselves to the teeth? That the citizenry might have to defend itself against a tyrannical government?
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Like the Dooms Day Preppers I see on TV. Building shelters stocked to the teeth in remote places to await the coming "APOCOLYPSE!". Dum, de dum, dum. We don't just have isolated whackos in this country. We have fraternal orders of them.
 
Inevitably, this trend will negatively affect the American tourism industry. With respect, many Canadians no longer feel safe touring America. I certainly am too chicken to teach in a college there. One of my colleagues was offered a lucrative position in a renowned college. He refused, citing security concerns. I imagine there are people overseas with similar reservations. How sad is that? Perhaps this is a good thing, money talks loudly, compassion in a whisper.
 
All we can do is pray that someday future generations will see fit to strike down that amendment. It won't happen in our lifetime. Until then it will continue and nobody can stop it...the end
 
Shalimar said:
Inevitably, this trend will negatively affect the American tourism industry. With respect, many Canadians no longer feel safe touring America. I certainly am too chicken to teach in a college there. One of my colleagues was offered a lucrative position in a renowned college. He refused, citing security concerns. I imagine there are people overseas with similar reservations. How sad is that? Perhaps this is a good thing, money talks loudly, compassion in a whisper.
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Our family is concerned for my niece who has settled in South Carolina especially as her hubby is a high school teacher. I also wish my daughter and sil weren't planning on backpacking around the USA next year.
 
Shalimar said:
I hear you Mitchezz. Sad, most Americans are the warmest people you could ever meet. Unfortunately.....
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Oh I know Shalimar.....we even allowed a couple of Yanks into our family!!One is totally anti guns as his Dad suffered his entire adult life as a result of a shooting accident. The other, while not owning a gun himself, defends his right to do so. My niece has told him if he ever brings a gun into their home she's on the first plane home.
 
fureverywhere said:
All we can do is pray that someday future generations will see fit to strike down that amendment. It won't happen in our lifetime. Until then it will continue and nobody can stop it...the end
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It isn't necessary to strike down the amendment... Just clarify what a "Well organized militia" really means... and that it certainly doesn't mean a "well armed and unregulated populace".
 
Until there is a mass shooting in the congress, nothing will be done.
america even seems happy to sacrifice its babies while they are at school
because if nothing was done after Sandy Hook nothing will be done, ...ever.
For a country that holds itself up as shining example of democracy and the rule of law
why do people feel they need guns to prevent an 'out of control' government/military?
To an outsider, US gun culture has all the hallmarks of an addiction just like Ice drug addiction.
 

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