Noah’s Ark. To some a true Biblical Story.

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Not a biblical literalist (am a Christian Agnostic) but do believe there was a global flood and that some people in cultures throughout the world may have had premonitions or astronomical knowledge if they were sophisticated enough in their observance of the skies to predict an impending comet impact and its effects . There are flood myths in cultures throughout the world and on nearly every continent, some of the mythologies include accounts of ancient peoples receiving premonitions to build boats to save people and animals.

Some flood mythologies also include accounts of fire from the skies along with the rain. If the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis proves true, a comet impact would explain why some initially saw fire followed by extensive flooding. The comet would've fractured upon entering the earth's atmosphere (fire in the sky) and caused massive tidal waves when parts hit the seas. A lot of water would've vaporized from the heat of the comet fragments upon oceanic impact which condensesd back into rains causing catastrophic flooding.

What is firmly accepted is the Younger Dryas dramatic climate change did occur circa 12,900 to 11,700 BC. The comet impact hypothesis as the cause was dismissed by some scientists at it's proposal in 2007, but since then geologic evidence consistent with a comet impact such as magnetic grains of iridium, magnetic microspherules, elevated levels of charcoal soot, carbon spherules, glass-like carbon containing nanodiamonds, and carbon fullerenes with extraterrestial helium peaking at the beginning of the Younger Dryas climate shift are lending more credence to the theory.

If the biblical Noah built his boat and saved his family and animal breeding pairs for the comet impact, he missed a few spcecies since around 33 genre of large mammels known as megafauna went extinct during the early Younger Dryas such as mammoths, mastadons and giant ground sloths ...maybe the ark wasn't quite big enough :p
 
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AnnieA said:
Not a biblical literalist (am a Christian Agnostic) but do believe there was a global flood and that some people in cultures throughout the world may have had premonitions of it. There are flood myths in cultures throughout the world and on nearly every continent, some of the mythologies include accounts of ancient peoples receiving premonitions to build boats to save people and animals.

Some flood mythologies also include accounts of fire from the skies along with the rain. If the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis proves true, a comet impact would explain why some initially saw fire followed by extensive flooding. The comet would've fractured upon entering the earth's atmosphere (fire in the sky) and caused massive tidal waves when parts hit the seas. A lot of water would've vaporized from the heat of the comet fragments upon oceanic impact which condensesd back into rains causing massive flooding.

What is firmly accepted is the Younger Dryas dramatic climate change did occur circa 12,900 to 11,700 BC. The comet impact hypothesis as the cause was dismissed by some scientists at it's proposal in 2007, but since then geologic evidence consistent with a comet impact such as magnetic grains of iridium, magnetic microspherules, elevated levels of charcoal soot, carbon spherules, glass-like carbon containing nanodiamonds, and carbon fullerenes with extraterrestial helium peaking at the beginning of the Younger Dryas climate shift are lending more credence to the theory.

If the biblical Noah built his boat and saved his family and animal breeding pairs during a Younger Dryas impact, he missed a few spcecies since around 33 genre of large mammels known as megafauna went extinct during this time such as mammoths, mastadons and giant ground sloths ...maybe the ark wasn't quite big enough :p
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Is that sort of like that 3I-Atlas object heading towards us now that Murrmurr posted about in the science thread?
 

I have oft been fascinated to curious about the account of the "mythical" giants that appeared from somewhere once and started co-habitating and producing with the available normal sized females?? - bizzare dreaming or actual sightings??
 
There were floods and some people managed to lash a few logs together to make a crude raft, load what goods and livestock they could aboard and survived till the waters subsided. I could believe that OK, but Noah and the Ark? That stretches the imagination too far.
 
Fritz said:
Actually it was instigated by sin. People often blame God for everything.
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From my side of the fence, people often excuse God of everything. Something good happens, it's God. Something bad, Satan. Given God is all powerful, and knows what is going to happen, you have to wonder why a lot of bad things happen. Besides, you can't commit genocide and be excused (the Amalekites), can you? What of the tenth plague of Egypt? First born males were to be killed?

I could go on, and no I don't think I can change your mind on this. Agree to disagree. ;)
 
Capt Lightning said:
There were floods and some people managed to lash a few logs together to make a crude raft, load what goods and livestock they could aboard and survived till the waters subsided. I could believe that OK, but Noah and the Ark? That stretches the imagination too far.
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Well, it kind of stretches credibility from the off. God created man, and THEN decided he needed a partner. So he created woman (Eve) from Adam's rib? Now that's some doing!
 
Meanwhile back to the boat.

For children I think the bible story of the ark is great. It portrays the ability to house & feed animals for a little over a year on a boat that took an estimated 50 to 75 years to build. The dedication of a man & his family to care for those animals for that period of time.

Then later in life when logic sneaks in, it's wait a minute how can that be? That is where blind faith that an omnipotent being billions of years old living somewhere outside our universe made it possible.

That blind faith makes it possible to not think about murdering all but one man & his family. Or the incest to repopulate the earth is not a problem.
Well maybe it is a problem
Yes, the Bible condemns incest, primarily in the book of Leviticus (chapters 18 and 20), which lists many prohibited sexual relationships, including those with close relatives like a person's mother, father's wife, sister, and daughter.

But not all is lost to conflicting info. After all the bible tells us.

Scripture teaches that God is merciful in verses such as Psalm 103:8, which states, "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love". Other biblical examples include Lamentations 3:22-23, noting His mercies "never come to an end"; Matthew 5:7, which calls the merciful blessed for they "shall receive mercy"; and Titus 3:5, stating that God saved us "because of His mercy"
 
Knight said:
Meanwhile back to the boat.

For children I think the bible story of the ark is great. It portrays the ability to house & feed animals for a little over a year on a boat that took an estimated 50 to 75 years to build. The dedication of a man & his family to care for those animals for that period of time.

Then later in life when logic sneaks in, it's wait a minute how can that be? That is where blind faith that an omnipotent being billions of years old living somewhere outside our universe made it possible.

That blind faith makes it possible to not think about murdering all but one man & his family. Or the incest to repopulate the earth is not a problem.
Well maybe it is a problem
Yes, the Bible condemns incest, primarily in the book of Leviticus (chapters 18 and 20), which lists many prohibited sexual relationships, including those with close relatives like a person's mother, father's wife, sister, and daughter.

But not all is lost to conflicting info. After all the bible tells us.

Scripture teaches that God is merciful in verses such as Psalm 103:8, which states, "The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love". Other biblical examples include Lamentations 3:22-23, noting His mercies "never come to an end"; Matthew 5:7, which calls the merciful blessed for they "shall receive mercy"; and Titus 3:5, stating that God saved us "because of His mercy"
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Tbf: Some Christians believe the Bible in a literal sense. Others accept that a lot of it is a parable. I'm not a believer, but when it comes to a literal belief, that's simply out of this world. IMO.
 
If you're gonna get picky about the Bible you will find a lot of things that don't make sense. There are even places where it contradicts itself. But true believers aren't picky about it. They have faith that somehow it's all true. In exchange, they get the comforting feeling that they have a personal connection with the creator of the universe, and that he will take care of them.

I have read that religious people are happier than non-religious. I can believe that. If you look at the world through skeptics' eyes, reality seems much darker. Which view you take depends on your personality and experiences.

I'm for whatever helps you get through life.
 
Grampa Don said:
I have read that religious people are happier than non-religious. I can believe that. If you look at the world through skeptics' eyes, reality seems much darker. Which view you take depends on your personality and experiences.

I'm for whatever helps you get through life.
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See, I'm a non-believer. I'm a lump of flesh, and eventually I die and there is no more. I will admit, there isn't much comfort in that. It's not like you just die either, you slowly decay and breakdown. I'll also leave nothing behind other than genetics and a smattering of trinkets such as cash. When I lose someone in my life, they are gone, and I'll never get to see them again.

This isn't about comfort for me. In fact, it's all very difficult and hard. It just is.
 
VaughanJB said:
See, I'm a non-believer. I'm a lump of flesh, and eventually I die and there is no more. I will admit, there isn't much comfort in that. It's not like you just die either, you slowly decay and breakdown. I'll also leave nothing behind other than genetics and a smattering of trinkets such as cash. When I lose someone in my life, they are gone, and I'll never get to see them again.

This isn't about comfort for me. In fact, it's all very difficult and hard. It just is.
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I share your view. It is hard. But, I respect others' choice to believe differently.

My wife and older son had faith. It helped them face the end. I'm thankful for that. I wish I had it, but my nature won't allow it.

By the way, when I die I will go up in smoke. Most of me will quickly be available for other use.
 
Grampa Don said:
I share your view. It is hard. But, I respect others' choice to believe differently.

My wife and older son had faith. It helped them face the end. I'm thankful for that. I wish I had it, but my nature won't allow it.

By the way, when I die I will go up in smoke. Most of me will quickly be available for other use.
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Life, huh?

I don't care what happens to my earthly remains. Nothing will matter to me at that point, and I don't want people spending money on a dead body. Again, it's not something I'm happy about, but I can't change nature.

I think it's a common misconception - that non-believers are choosing the easy path. It's far from that. It does, however, get you focused on today, on this moment, and then the next. It's all we have. I have to own my mistakes, because there is no making it up in the afterlife. Those I've lost are gone, and I have to accept that too. There are no easy choices, and no comfort from imagining something better.

Love now, or forever lose the opportunity.
 
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