Quick question to GOP fans....

AZ Jim

R.I.P. With Us In Spirit Only
Can Republicans win anything without their "dirty tricks" or mud slinging tactics? Can they win on issues alone? How many seniors would vote for a republican if the truth were out about the GOPs plans to decimate SS, Medicare and other senior vital programs?
 

Can Republicans win anything without their "dirty tricks" or mud slinging tactics? Can they win on issues alone? How many seniors would vote for a republican if the truth were out about the GOPs plans to decimate SS, Medicare and other senior vital programs?

Don't forget Gerrymandering.. They would not have such an iron clad hold on the House if it were not for this little dirty trick. Most of these lunatics aren't afraid of losing the election because they are in "safe" districts. Which means that the lines have been drawn to configure districts that will insure a win.
 
Don't forget Gerrymandering.. They would not have such an iron clad hold on the House if it were not for this little dirty trick. Most of these lunatics aren't afraid of losing the election because they are in "safe" districts. Which means that the lines have been drawn to configure districts that will insure a win.

Oh yeah...Here's what happened in Arizona when the GOP tries to pull a fast one to thwart the will of the people.

Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission (Amicus Brief)

www.brennancenter.org/legal-work/arizona-state-legislature-v-arizona-independent-redistricting-commission
June 29, 2015


On June 29, 2015, the Supreme Court issued its ruling in Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission. In a 5-4 decision, the Court affirmed the district court's decision, finding that the redistricting commission created by Arizona’s voters via ballot initiative in 2000 does not violate the U.S. Constitution’s Elections Clause.
Case Background
The case challenged a state constitutional amendment adopted in 2000 by Arizona voters which created a politically neutral commission drawing new boundaries for the state’s congressional districts every ten years. Before the amendment, the state legislature, as in many states, had been responsible for setting and adjusting district lines.
The Commission drew district boundaries in 2001 and again in 2011. After the 2011 redistricting, however, the Republican-controlled state legislature sued the Commission, arguing that use of the Commission to draw maps violated the U.S. Constitution’s Elections Clause. At issue was a portion of the Elections Clause that provides that, the “times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof.” Because redistricting traditionally has been construed to fall within the ambit of “manner” of holding elections, Arizona argued that the strict language of the clause meant that congressional districts can be drawn only by state legislatures.

A panel of three federal judges rejected the challenge in a 2-1 decision, holding that the use of the term “legislature” in the Elections Clause should be read to refer to the entirety of a state’s legislative process, including ballot initiatives passed by the voters.
Affirming the district court’s decision, the Supreme Court also rejected the Arizona legislature’s “wooden” interpretation of the Election Clause. In doing so, the Court preserved a valuable tool used by citizens across the country to reform redistricting practices.

Had the Court reached the opposition conclusion, it could have had far reaching ramifications, throwing into doubt a number of longstanding state practices across the country. A growing number of states in recent years, including California, have given independent commissions the power to set the boundaries of their congressional districts. In fact, almost half of the states now use redistricting commissions in some form, including as a backup if the legislature is unable to pass a redistricting plan. Efforts to adopt similar sorts of reforms are currently underway in Illinois, Ohio, and South Dakota – with Arizona and California frequently serving as models for proposed reforms. The decision also could have thrown in doubt dozens of other election laws ranging from Washington State’s top two primary to Mississippi’s voter identification law that were enacted through ballot initiative.
 

Can Republicans win anything without their "dirty tricks" or mud slinging tactics? Can they win on issues alone? How many seniors would vote for a republican if the truth were out about the GOPs plans to decimate SS, Medicare and other senior vital programs?

Those are not issues for most right of center persons. Where did you get those ideas any way. What most right of center folks worry about is the way those left of center insist on creating ever more 'give away' programs with no means for paying for them. That is the big problem.

Maybe we should just adjust our taxes to about 60% for all in order to pay for all this left of center stuff.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/sweden/personal-income-tax-rate
 
Those are not issues for most right of center persons. Where did you get those ideas any way. What most right of center folks worry about is the way those left of center insist on creating ever more 'give away' programs with no means for paying for them. That is the big problem.

Maybe we should just adjust our taxes to about 60% for all in order to pay for all this left of center stuff.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/sweden/personal-income-tax-rate


So you will be turning in your Medicare card and sending back your SS check????
 
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Since when is SS and Medicare "free stuff"?

That is not free stuff at all. All workers pay for their retirement as they work. Your employers also pay towards your retirement. Not free at all. Federal set up to provide a basic income for retired folks. Never was intended to provide grand retirement at all.

Medicare is not free either. Both the wife and I have been paying for that health insurance. I won't say the amount but for the two of us it is in the thousands out of our pockets to make it be true to the Medicare requirements.
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For my earlier post you just don't seem to understand. Sweden is often considered the best of the socialized nations. So I included their tax rates of 60% for all to show how expensive all this socialized stuff is. That is likely why each year we see ever and ever higher unpaid debt. Just too much being given away with no expectations of it ever needing to be paid. Then blaming the Republicans for wanting to stop the spending when they refuse to raise the debt levels each year. Blind folks blaming the wrong ones.
 
Not presently a GOP fan, but I'll pop in here with my :2cents:, something posted here in the past regarding seniors voting for the GOP, not very wise.


Republican Budget Creates a Fast Track to Cut Social Security and Ends Medicare as We Know It

The House GOP’s FY2014 budget proposal, The Path to Prosperity: A Responsible, Balanced Budget, threatens the future of Social Security and Medicare, and the well-being of virtually all Americans. The Republican budget would expand tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, while pulling away critical Medicare and Social Security protections from the middle class.

UNDERMINES SOCIAL SECURITY

The Republican budget strikes three major blows to Social Security, a self-financed insurance program, which past Congresses have worked hard to keep out of budget discussions, in recognition that Social Security does not and, by law, cannot add to the federal debt of the United States.

First, bucking legal and historical precedent, today’s Republicans make Social Security a major part of their budget proposal.1 In addition, the Republican budget, proposed by House Budget Committee Chairman Representative Paul Ryan (R, WI-1), would: Create an unprecedented new fast-track procedure to ram through Social Security benefit cuts.

In a radical departure from the way Social Security changes have been legislated since 1935, the Republican budget would force Congress to fast-track legislation determining the future of Social Security.

As the following bullet describes, the Ryan budget moves the goal posts, adding a new test of whether Social Security needs reform and then forces the president to submit legislation whenever the new test is violated. Within two months of the president submitting Social Security legislation, Congress would have to consider it “under expedited procedures.”2

Every year, the Social Security trustees project Social Security’s income and outgo for a 75 year valuation period, far longer than used by private pensions and most other countries for their Social Security systems.

Notwithstanding this already conservative practice, the Ryan budget requires the president and Congress to reform Social Security on an expedited, fast track basis, even if it is in 75 year actuarial balance—simply because it is found to be out of balance in the 75th year!3

The new requirement that the Republicans seek to impose is simply another way of forcing draconian cuts that the American people reject.

Projections over 75 years, by their nature, lack certainty. Projections of Social Security's solvency change every year, which means that Ryan's plan could force big changes to Social Security based on very short-term variations in the program's finances.

BOTTOM LINE:

Social Security affects virtually every American. Moreover, unlike many divisive issues, poll after poll shows that the American people are united and clear about how they want Social Security reformed. They do not want to see benefits cut and they favor asking all working persons and their employers to make payroll tax contributions on...

Read 6 page PDF with informative links here: http://www.strengthensocialsecurity....heet_FINAL.pdf
 
Not presently a GOP fan, but I'll pop in here with my :2cents:, something posted here in the past regarding seniors voting for the GOP, not very wise.

Per the above those could have been proposals but as far as I recall they were never really debated or attempted to get active.

Since 1970 there were Dem Pres for 15 years and Rep Pres for 30 years. Now for the Congress we had Dems for 21, Reps for 11, and mixed for 13. Only in one presidency have we seen a lowering of our debts and that was Clinton when he had a Republican Congress.

Just not sure how it can be said the Republicans are the causes of our debts at all. And right now we have Republicans attempting to stop the wild spending but then they get hammered for causing shutdowns by the Dems. It is not the Republicans spending at all and they get abused, accused, for attempting to end this problem of debts. They are just doing their job of watching our for all. If this turns into a financial disaster it will all of us hurt.

Look to Greece for an example of how uncontrolled spending ends up. Look to Argentina ad Venezuela for near neighbors that are struggling to correct their economies. I sure don't want to see the US in this type of mess.
 
The gerrymandering in AZ was done by a "Independent Redistricting Board" that had a stealth Democrat that claimed to be an independent.
 
Example-See: Greece, Venezuela, Cuba
sooner or later you always run out of other people's money.

I guess it would be redundant to suggest that SS and Medicare are funded out of our paychecks. In my case I spent near 50 years paying into SS. What "free stuff"? How 'bout we steal from the bloated military for a change? Oh! No! Screamed the hawk......
 
I guess it would be redundant to suggest that SS and Medicare are funded out of our paychecks. In my case I spent near 50 years paying into SS. What "free stuff"? How 'bout we steal from the bloated military for a change? Oh! No! Screamed the hawk......

I believe that is what has been happening. We take from our shrinking military and shake hands with our declared enemy of Iran. Such brilliance we have in our government these days.
 
How many of you are living in poverty? It seems to me that some of you have second homes, new cars & trucks, nice jewelry, financial investments, etc.
 
I'm not a vulnerable senior... There ARE however those that depend on their SS checks. Do you think that they should be reduced or eliminated? It's always easy to view the world through "ME" glasses... Try looking at the plight of others not as fortunate... but then again... that must be a "liberal" thing.
 
I'm not a vulnerable senior... There ARE however those that depend on their SS checks. Do you think that they should be reduced or eliminated? It's always easy to view the world through "ME" glasses... Try looking at the plight of others not as fortunate... but then again... that must be a "liberal" thing.

Yes. And we are personally better off with a Conservative/Tory government but the poor, working poor etc are much worse off. Did we vote for Conservatives? Hell no. We vote for who is best for the country over all, including and especially the poor. That is what a liberal does. The right thing.
 
Does that mean that you will be willing to spend two weeks less in Thailand and give that money to the poor and downtrodden?
 
I would be willing to pay more taxes if I knew it would go to shoring up our social safety net and not to our bloated military, or for obscene corporate subsidies.
 


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