Face Recognition at Homes via Ring Doorbells

MACKTEXAS said:
I have multiple cameras that monitor the entire perimeter of the house, and they display on one monitor with split screens. But I didn't set them up. A contractor did all that, and at the time, I didn't ask about available options or a battery back up plan. Thanks for your ideas. I've made a note of what you wrote - my system is soon to be 3 years old, and that's a good length of time for something that's working 24/7. Everything may need re-doing in the not too distant future.
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robin416 said:
I'm on @VaughanJB's side of this issue.

First I don't live in an area that it's a large concern about having a camera focused on the outside world 24/7. I have dogs and a gun to take care of what these online cameras are supposed to be protecting us with. And they are not available for bad actors to access.

There are cameras that don't rely being tied to the internet to function. If I was to install cameras that would be what I choose.

Someone refresh my memory here, didn't some home appliances get hacked that allowed a DDos attack on websites a few years ago? None of these devices are as protected from unwanted access like our computers are. Yet our computers can also be vulnerable to those determined enough to gain access.

Blindly believing what you're being told is a good thing without thoroughly investigating what you're being told is the truth is just plain dangerous.
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Sometimes tech can be a solution looking for a problem. And sometimes the best marketing is to inject some paranoia into the air. People can always make up some reason why they want something, which is why there are so many bread maker machines stored, unused, under so many sinks.

We also forget that we grew up without these things, that our world didn't include all this surveillance, and we were fine. I also note that talk of Big Brother and such arguments are mute. People volunteer for this stuff. People spend their own money on this stuff. People are more than willing to put their personal data into the cloud trusting a User Agreement (which is often unread) to somehow protect them.

I don't know, I find it fascinating. Anyone remember what it was like to be in a public space and you didn't feel as though you were being spied on? From CCTV cameras, to people recording on the Smartphones, and cars driving by recording everything...... We accept this now, which suggests to me we LIKE being monitored and looked over.
 
VaughanJB said:
I think this is actually a very interesting aside to this. Personally, I think people ARE getting both paranoid and obsessed with such things. As I noted earlier, we all grew up in an era where today's options weren't a thing, and was it really that terrible? The question for me is, are things simply worse today (crime wise), or are we all more paranoid and afraid in our own homes?

The same thing sort of came up with tracking children, or attaching a camera to them. I can see it being useful for young children, but for teenagers? At what point does someone need space to mature on their own, to grow some independence, to have a life of their own without their parents being able to peer into their movements 24/7? I know I'd of hated that as a teenager.

Personally I feel secure in my own home. If someone knocks on my door while I'm out, then no-one will answer. No big deal. But those with a more paranoid bent will ask, "but what is it's a burglar? What if it's a thief? What is someone is casing the joint?" In such cases, I've not seen evidence that a Ring Video Doorbell is statistically a deterrent.

It's a mix of new capabilities and fear, and I wonder what is fueling it.
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My issue actually began because an obnoxious neighbor was disposing of trash onto my property. Repeated complaints to authorities were fruitless. They told me I needed video. So I got cameras. Then I soon had video. He was visited by Code Violations more than once.

I now rely on the cameras primarily for safety, and any other purpose for which they might be useful. Signs are posted to exterior doors as required by local ordinances.

I'm glad you feel secure in your home. Most of the time, I do too - except for 2 months ago when 7 cars were broken into in my (quiet) neighborhood. One was the car at the house directly in front of mine. Police noticed I had security cameras and asked if they were on between the hours of 3-5 AM on the day of the offense. I supplied them with what I had on a USB drive. They did not get back to me with the outcome of their investigation, and I didn't expect or ask them to.

I could discard all technology: i.e., phones, TVs, internet, and so on, but choose not to do so. I am seen all the time wherever I go in public, and I'm not behaving inappropriately, so it's not important to me if someone sees or films what I'm doing.
 

MACKTEXAS said:
My issue actually began because an obnoxious neighbor was disposing of trash onto my property. Repeated complaints to authorities were fruitless. They told me I needed video. So I got cameras. Then I soon had video. He was visited by Code Violations more than once.

I now rely on the cameras primarily for safety, and any other purpose for which they might be useful. Signs are posted to exterior doors as required by local ordinances.

I'm glad you feel secure in your home. Most of the time, I do too - except for 2 months ago when 7 cars were broken into in my (quiet) neighborhood. One was the car at the house directly in front of mine. Police noticed I had security cameras and asked if they were on between the hours of 3-5 AM on the day of the offense. I supplied them with what I had on a USB drive. They did not get back to me with the outcome of their investigation, and I didn't expect or ask them to.

I could discard all technology: i.e., phones, TVs, internet, and so on, but choose not to do so. I am seen all the time wherever I go in public, and I'm not behaving inappropriately, so it's not important to me if someone sees or films what I'm doing.
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That's legit, and I get it. I don't live in a high crime area, but I also don't live in a crime FREE area. And yes, if you have footage it can help with investigations, and finding the culprit. Sadly, we used to rely on the authorities (the police) to make us feel safe, but now they seem to hate getting out of their cars.

Also, they're cutting budgets due to overspending in many areas. Police Stations are closing. For example, the Metropolitan Police have announced they must shed 1700 jobs, including some officers. I don't know when the madness will ever end.
 
I’m more disturbed by the influencer who’s videoing while doing some prank or something stupid. I don’t want to see them and definitely don’t want to be on their video.
 
One night I got an alert on my watch. It was someone throwing down a bike and running away from the neighbour’s house; they were away. The police came, though I really didn’t expect them to. I showed them the video on my iPad and sent it them. They even searched the neighbourhood on foot. I have a feeling they were looking for a repeat offender.
 
Jules said:
I’m more disturbed by the influencer who’s videoing while doing some prank or something stupid. I don’t want to see them and definitely don’t want to be on their video.
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I get that. But I'm far more worried about this in the political space. If someone "influences" another to buy a particular face cream, well that's a relatively small step from what companies have been doing with advertising forever. The relative loss to broken promises is minimal. But when it comes to influencing public opinion on a massive scale, that threatens everything we know.
 
VaughanJB said:
Sometimes tech can be a solution looking for a problem. And sometimes the best marketing is to inject some paranoia into the air. People can always make up some reason why they want something, which is why there are so many bread maker machines stored, unused, under so many sinks.

We also forget that we grew up without these things, that our world didn't include all this surveillance, and we were fine. I also note that talk of Big Brother and such arguments are mute. People volunteer for this stuff. People spend their own money on this stuff. People are more than willing to put their personal data into the cloud trusting a User Agreement (which is often unread) to somehow protect them.

I don't know, I find it fascinating. Anyone remember what it was like to be in a public space and you didn't feel as though you were being spied on? From CCTV cameras, to people recording on the Smartphones, and cars driving by recording everything...... We accept this now, which suggests to me we LIKE being monitored and looked over.
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I think it's because people don't realize how widespread and pervasive it is. It's one of those things that has silently creeped into our lives.

I don't have a problem with it in Walmart. If it helps stop shoplifting to keep prices down, then fine.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
My issue actually began because an obnoxious neighbor was disposing of trash onto my property. Repeated complaints to authorities were fruitless. They told me I needed video. So I got cameras. Then I soon had video. He was visited by Code Violations more than once.

I now rely on the cameras primarily for safety, and any other purpose for which they might be useful. Signs are posted to exterior doors as required by local ordinances.

I'm glad you feel secure in your home. Most of the time, I do too - except for 2 months ago when 7 cars were broken into in my (quiet) neighborhood. One was the car at the house directly in front of mine. Police noticed I had security cameras and asked if they were on between the hours of 3-5 AM on the day of the offense. I supplied them with what I had on a USB drive. They did not get back to me with the outcome of their investigation, and I didn't expect or ask them to.

I could discard all technology: i.e., phones, TVs, internet, and so on, but choose not to do so. I am seen all the time wherever I go in public, and I'm not behaving inappropriately, so it's not important to me if someone sees or films what I'm doing.
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Ha! I didn't need a video to bust the guy that stole my neighbor's big trailer.

My ears and then my eyes was all it took. I live in the country. Pothole filled road. I was doing something, computer? TV? Not outside or sitting on my porch. But I kept hearing a vehicle going up and down the road. You don't do that on our road unless maybe you're drunk. I got up after another pass of the vehicle and stood on the porch. I listened to where it went. It stopped in front of my neighbor and it turned around and came past my house yet again. I texted her. Do you know someone in a truck that looks like this?

Turns out she didn't and when she got home, her trailer was gone. Cops show up at my house a few days later showing me a pic of the truck. Yep, that's it. We know who it is, said the cop, and have been trying to get him in the act. They got him just using my eyes and ears.
 
robin416 said:
I think it's because people don't realize how widespread and pervasive it is. It's one of those things that has silently creeped into our lives.

I don't have a problem with it in Walmart. If it helps stop shoplifting to keep prices down, then fine.
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Big Brother:

"Winston thought for a moment, then pulled the speakwrite towards him and began dictating in Big Brother’s familiar style: a style at once military and pedantic, and, because of a trick of asking questions and then promptly answering them…easy to imitate."
 
I have several cameras to watch over my property when I'm gone for an extended time. An overnight visitor's car was broken into one night, we called the police, but they were not able to do anything with the recording. The crook wore a hoody and mask and had parked down the street.

I'm sure there are other ways for bad guys to get around the system, so it will mainly be the law abiding folks getting recorded.
 
robin416 said:
Ha! I didn't need a video to bust the guy that stole my neighbor's big trailer.
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Good. Police are probably more attentive to crimes in the country, and especially major ones, like when a big trailer is stolen. We're doing good to even get them to come out for violations where I live. Especially when it's something like a neighbor simply depositing trash onto someone's property.
 

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