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Murmur I wasn't saying anything was wrong with it - quite the reverse in fact. I dont think either party owes obedience to the other.
My post was i n response to this statement " if yours was a religious marriage ?- isn't the wife supposed to obey her husband and of course the husband take good care of her??" - replying to say no, not in the last 50 years or so it hasn't been for nearly everyone
Oh. Sorry. :)
Re growth over comfort - I think it depends. but the terms are vague too so depends what is meant by them too.
I agree, "comfort over growth" is kind of a weird phrase.

I read it as, for example, a 30-something still in their childhood bedroom, the bed unmade, the room littered with empty soda cups and pizza boxes, streaming themselves playing video games for 14+ hours straight, socializing only with their viewers who watch them throw a tantrum every time they get sent back to the start of level 7 or lose the Vorpal Sword.

For example. :giggle:
 
if yours was a religious marriage ?- isn't the wife supposed to obey her husband and of course the husband take good care of her??
Yes. After we divorced he got the kids. I got em back half the time by simply obeying him. Paul says don't go to court. The kid thieves would not listen anyway, so I said he was perfect, so they couldn't steal them. He at least cared about his kids. Later we just said sorry and now we're friends.

The other way around is sick, if a normal (not abusive) man has to obey his ex to be able to see his kids. Not that this was normal, but lol who cares. It's good for your character and you learn to forgive.

My mom is christian. My dad was atheist. Their marriage was not fun at one time when I was young. She asked God to change him. He said: You change. Forgive and bless. It took some time, but he changed too. In the end they had a great marriage.

But if a girl now wants to go for a guy who wants to be obeyed I'd warn her not to do it. Sure obeying is good, cause God says it, but he also has to obey God. Otherwise he can just be lazy and selfish and order you around and tell you to go to work to provide while he doesn't work.

The whole text is: women obey your husbands and men lay your lives down for your wife. Those bossy guys don't like that 2nd part.
 
At work, before retirement, it surprised me how many thought that watching porn was okay. When I argued that it was still cheating, it got me accused of being fuddy-duddy, I guess that meant straightlaced. It would distress me if a relative of mine did porn, so I put that to my detractors. "How would you feel if it was your sister?" There was lots of looking down and "yeah buts," however it was evident that I had struck a raw nerve. One young fellow actually said to me later, "Your comment made me think." "Good for you, I told him.
Yes, sex is not a spectator sport or, at least, not in my opinion.
 
The "obey" term has been seriously misconstrued by some, simply means that both marriage partners be respectful and considerate of each others thoughts, feelings wishes.


that's fine - both partners should vow it then, not just the woman.

although I wouldn't say that is my understanding of the word. both partners should be respectful and considerate of each others feelings and wishes - but the word obey doesn't mean that.
 
If I should marry, I would never expect my wife to “obey” as in the definition, but the wording that is in Nathan’s post would be most appropriate for me and the wife. I may have given orders in the military, but that train has left the station. Today, if a couple wants to enjoy a happy life together, they need to be in a partnership. Love, Trust and Honor one another are 3 ingredients to a happy marriage.
 
I told my daughter, when she was about 14, to find a man that loves God and is willing to work hard. That’s what she did.

God at the center of your marriage is the cement and mystery of two becoming one. He transforms both.
 


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