Compassion for The Homeless

Messy said:
It should be forbidden to have multiple homes for yourself. In my country it's constantly: there are not enough houses! But there are loads of holiday parks with fancy houses. Why should 2 people have and a big house and a holiday house when there are not enough houses for everyone?
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where do you draw the line with that?

I know people, not particularly well off, who have a holiday shack as well as their residential home.

But unless we wont to live i n a communist country, I don't think you can ban people from owning 2 homes.
 
January said:
where do you draw the line with that?

I know people, not particularly well off, who have a holiday shack as well as their residential home.

But unless we wont to live i n a communist country, I don't think you can ban people from owning 2 homes.
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America is big. I don't think it's a problem there. But Holland is small and crammed. I saw yesterday that the politicians had the same idea and they don't forbid to have more than one house, but it was always forbidden to live in a holiday house permanently and they changed that law. The next 10 years it's fine because there are not enough houses. And the ones who have a holiday house as an extra, for those they made the taxes insane, so they sell them. If they want an extra holiday house they can get one in a country that has space instead of irritating others here with their selfishness.

There were nasty Canadians who wanted to make money at the expense of us. They bought loads of houses to rent them out for an insane high price. Move it. They left and sold em because they made the taxes absurd if you don't live in the house yourself.

I once read that in some country all these annoying tourists bought houses in some place near the beach and the people who lived there couldn't get a house and had enough of it. Move it. They changed the law. You may only live there in a house and not use it as a holiday house. Good for them.
 
IrishEyes said:
My son in California works for the city on grounds maintenance. His crew has been spit on, hit with objects, feces thrown at them, etc just for having to cone off an onramp for grounds upkeep.
He has a hard time keeping a full crew due to that alone. The wiring to some lights and plumbing to some
water supply has been stripped for selling what they can get out of it. It's a constant repair going on out there for the city.

He said it seems to always be the ones camping near or on main streets that do this. You go back off the main streets and then talk to
some of those and you hear the heart breaking stories and these are the ones that comply and ask "When can we return?" He also adds
he has met some who have come to Ca. because they get paid there and all the benefits, which are not enough to rent a place out there.
It's gotten so bad is there any way to end it? I have no idea.
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Like I said....round them up......on vagrancy laws......give them a shower.....put them in a clean jump suite .....feed them and keep them warm....sit them on a couch to watch TV. They get physical and mental health treatments and they are safe and we are safe.
 
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Messy said:
America is big. I don't think it's a problem there. But Holland is small and crammed. I saw yesterday that the politicians had the same idea and they don't forbid to have more than one house, but it was always forbidden to live in a holiday house permanently and they changed that law. The next 10 years it's fine because there are not enough houses. And the ones who have a holiday house as an extra, for those they made the taxes insane, so they sell them. If they want an extra holiday house they can get one in a country that has space instead of irritating others here with their selfishness.

There were nasty Canadians who wanted to make money at the expense of us. They bought loads of houses to rent them out for an insane high price. Move it. They left and sold em because they made the taxes absurd if you don't live in the house yourself.

I once read that in some country all these annoying tourists bought houses in some place near the beach and the people who lived there couldn't get a house and had enough of it. Move it. They changed the law. You may only live there in a house and not use it as a holiday house. Good for them.
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That kind of control of private property is communist. If they have the power to do that, they have the power to tell you your religion.....how many kids you can have....forced child labor....who to marry.....what to eat.....what to wear.....etc
 
Grailhunter57 said:
That kind of control of private property is communist. If they have the power to do that, they have the power to tell you your religion.....how many kids you can have....forced child labor....who to marry.....what to eat.....what to wear.....etc
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There is only forced going to school until 18. We have freedom of religion. And when the antichrist comes America will just be as controlled as Holland and you can't buy or sell there either if you don't worship him.
If they hadn't been so greedy and selfish they wouldn't have had to control it.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Like I said....round them up......on vagrancy laws......give them a shower.....put them in a clean jump suite .....feed them and keep them warm....sit them on a couch to watch TV. They get physical and mental health treatments and they are safe and we are safe.
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This situation is deeper than you can imagine maybe. Wish it was that simple.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Like I said....round them up......on vagrancy laws......give them a shower.....put them in a clean jump suite .....feed them and keep them warm....sit them on a couch to watch TV. They get physical and mental health treatments and they are safe and we are safe.
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In 2020 with covid they didn't want people to be homeless because they'd spread germs and all of a sudden gave them a cruiseship to live on in my city.



The cruise ship on the Rijnkade that is temporarily serving as a homeless shelter.

Homeless people in Gelderland get a home: ‘Corona was a blessing for us’
ARNHEM – Homeless people in Gelderland will get a home, or their own room in a homeless shelter. Due to the coronavirus crisis, municipalities are convinced that homeless people cannot return to the old situation, where they sometimes lived with six people in a single room.

August 26, 2020,

“Corona has been a terrible time for many people, but a blessing for our shelter,” says care manager Daantje Daniels of IrisZorg, an addiction treatment and social support facility.

During the coronavirus crisis, all homeless people in Gelderland received their own room. According to Daniels, this still provides a lot of peace of mind for clients and significantly fewer incidents than usual. "It's a huge breakthrough for us that municipalities also agree we can't go back to the old situation."

If sheltering the homeless is going to cost us extra money, then we'd rather do it in a sustainable way.

Martien Louwers, Alderman of Arnhem
As a solution, the municipality of Arnhem wants to build around forty flexible housing units in the city within two years. These will be small units where people who have become homeless can restart their lives. Homeless people who aren't ready for their own home will be given a room at the shelter.
 

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IrishEyes said:
This situation is deeper than you can imagine maybe. Wish it was that simple.
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It is that simple and I can imagine it all. I am not talking about those that just down on their luck. I am talking about typical long term homeless that usually have mental problems. We have vagrancy laws.... they can be arrested and evaluated and if mental put in an institution.
Keeps them save and cared for and keeps us safe from them. They perpetuate the drug trade and prostitution and they cannot be held responsible for theft or assault or child molestation or murder because they have a built in excuse of pleaing innocent by reason of insanity.
Doing the right thing is not always the most pleasant thing but that is what needs to happen. In the long run it is the most compassionate thing to do.
On the topic of men and women taking action.....Sometime women have so much heart that they cannot make decision so it keeps the problem going.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
It is that simple and I can imagine it all. I am not talking about those that just down on their luck. I am talking about typical long term homeless that usually have mental problems. We have vagrancy laws.... they can be arrested and evaluated and if mental put in an institution.
Keeps them save and cared for and keeps us safe from them. They perpetuate the drug trade and prostitution and they cannot be held responsible for theft or assault or child molestation or murder because they have a built in excuse of pleaing innocent by reason of insanity.
Doing the right thing is not always the most pleasant thing but that is what needs to happen. In the long run it is the most compassionate thing to do.
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Messy said:
In 2020 with covid they didn't want people to be homeless because they'd spread germs and all of a sudden gave them a cruiseship to live on in my city.



The cruise ship on the Rijnkade that is temporarily serving as a homeless shelter.

Homeless people in Gelderland get a home: ‘Corona was a blessing for us’
ARNHEM – Homeless people in Gelderland will get a home, or their own room in a homeless shelter. Due to the coronavirus crisis, municipalities are convinced that homeless people cannot return to the old situation, where they sometimes lived with six people in a single room.

August 26, 2020,

“Corona has been a terrible time for many people, but a blessing for our shelter,” says care manager Daantje Daniels of IrisZorg, an addiction treatment and social support facility.

During the coronavirus crisis, all homeless people in Gelderland received their own room. According to Daniels, this still provides a lot of peace of mind for clients and significantly fewer incidents than usual. "It's a huge breakthrough for us that municipalities also agree we can't go back to the old situation."

If sheltering the homeless is going to cost us extra money, then we'd rather do it in a sustainable way.

Martien Louwers, Alderman of Arnhem
As a solution, the municipality of Arnhem wants to build around forty flexible housing units in the city within two years. These will be small units where people who have become homeless can restart their lives. Homeless people who aren't ready for their own home will be given a room at the shelter.
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To go to a homeless shelter is a logical decision. A lot of the homeless do not have the mental capacity to make that decision. Offer them a home and they would rather live in a box or tent. Hard for us to understand because we are not mental.
 
I see more and more places suggest converting other buildings into apartments etc.
The regulations and rules are different and would take lots of money to convert ....... for example, run water to each living space. many office buildings do not have windows that open especially on a higher floor. in an apartment like setting this would need to change to be able to exit in a fire etc.

during covid some cities bought run down hotels and motels and gave shelter ... many were destroyed by the " homeless" so grateful for a place to live they ripped up walls and broke every fixture/ sink etc. set fires and ripped up carpets and floors.
one city near me, planned on turning one to low-income apartments........ they found place permeated with METH residue and had to be torn down. you CANNOT help those who do not want it.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
Like I said....round them up......on vagrancy laws......give them a shower.....put them in a clean jump suite .....feed them and keep them warm....sit them on a couch to watch TV. They get physical and mental health treatments and they are safe and we are safe.
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Moving individuals into housing quickly without preconditions such as sobriety or employment, and providing supportive services like mental health care and addiction treatment afterward. Can you imagine the logistics of this strategy - such as how it is to be funded, for starters?
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Moving individuals into housing quickly without preconditions such as sobriety or employment, and providing supportive services like mental health care and addiction treatment afterward. Can you imagine the logistics of this strategy - such as how it is to be funded, for starters?
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the housing first model has NOT worked. it is just money going down a drain. employment and counseling to overcome not only substances but lifestyle choices.
You can clean one person up but if they do not leave behind their " friends" who are users they will be right back on the streets.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
It is that simple and I can imagine it all. I am not talking about those that just down on their luck. I am talking about typical long term homeless that usually have mental problems. We have vagrancy laws.... they can be arrested and evaluated and if mental put in an institution.
Keeps them save and cared for and keeps us safe from them. They perpetuate the drug trade and prostitution and they cannot be held responsible for theft or assault or child molestation or murder because they have a built in excuse of pleaing innocent by reason of insanity.
Doing the right thing is not always the most pleasant thing but that is what needs to happen. In the long run it is the most compassionate thing to do.
On the topic of men and women taking action.....Sometime women have so much heart that they cannot make decision so it keeps the problem going.
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You need to go to California and convince them. This has nothing to do with me being a woman as I have not stated my views on this.
Only what my son has to deal with in his job.
 
Would not take in but have volunteered for a Chicago-wide organization called PADS --- Public Action to Deliver Shelter. There is a collection of buildings, mostly churches, that allow homeless to stay overnight where they will get meals, a reasonably decent place to sleep, often have shower facilities and laundry, and other assistance depending on availability. We volunteered to stay overnight to oversee and to fetch food from local hospital (they provided hospital meals to take to shelter). I can't be sure if every location does the same thing. but we had a strict curfew of time to be in the shelter, and when one could leave the next morning. The doors in/out were locked over night for everyone's safety. Any problems, phone police.
If you have such a program in your area, you can volunteer, or at least, contribute monetarily. The 'rules and regs' make it reasonably safe even though there have been some minor incidents locally (don't know about other locations).
 
Grailhunter57 said:
It is that simple and I can imagine it all. I am not talking about those that just down on their luck. I am talking about typical long term homeless that usually have mental problems. We have vagrancy laws.... they can be arrested and evaluated and if mental put in an institution.
Keeps them save and cared for and keeps us safe from them. They perpetuate the drug trade and prostitution and they cannot be held responsible for theft or assault or child molestation or murder because they have a built in excuse of pleaing innocent by reason of insanity.
Doing the right thing is not always the most pleasant thing but that is what needs to happen. In the long run it is the most compassionate thing to do.
On the topic of men and women taking action.....Sometime women have so much heart that they cannot make decision so it keeps the problem going.
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Wait wut? I thought you meant help them and house them. Maybe just change the laws and lock murderers and molesters up. Always that dumb 'oh they can't help it, their brain is not evolved, lets keep em in an open facility so they can rape and murder the next one', like they do here. I don't care if they plead insanity. Try coming up with that excuse when you meet God. I don't think He will say: oh you poor thing. You can't help it. They went too far with this love your neighbour stuff. The good Samaritan didn't help the robbers.
 
Messy said:
Wait wut? I thought you meant help them and house them. Maybe just change the laws and lock murderers and molesters up. Always that dumb 'oh they can't help it, their brain is not evolved, lets keep em in an open facility so they can rape and murder the next one', like they do here. I don't care if they plead insanity. Try coming up with that excuse when you meet God. I don't think He will say: oh you poor thing. You can't help it. They went too far with this love your neighbour stuff. The good Samaritan didn't help the robbers.
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I do mean help them and house them. Lock'em up.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Moving individuals into housing quickly without preconditions such as sobriety or employment, and providing supportive services like mental health care and addiction treatment afterward. Can you imagine the logistics of this strategy - such as how it is to be funded, for starters?
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As it was at one time before they turned them out on the streets. No worse than the government cost of having them live on the sidewalks or parks.
 
Grailhunter57 said:
As it was at one time before they turned them out on the streets. No worse than the government cost of having them live on the sidewalks or parks.
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So where is the incentive to work and pay rent? Many who are struggling these days could just stop and let the "government" bear all their costs. How convenient.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
So where is the incentive to work and pay rent? Many who are struggling these days could just stop and let the "government" bear all their costs. How convenient.
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Again, I am not talking about the regular people down on their luck. Most of the homeless have mental issues.....not capable of working. Retarded and Schizophrenic and paranoia. Most will not stay in a homeless shelter.....freeze to death with a homeless shelter blocks away.

If the mayor of New York make bus service free they will live on buses.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Moving individuals into housing quickly without preconditions such as sobriety or employment, and providing supportive services like mental health care and addiction treatment afterward. Can you imagine the logistics of this strategy - such as how it is to be funded, for starters?
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It's the way it used to be, MACK. It worked fine. Vagrants were arrested and if necessary tossed in the drunk tank.
Back then there was no entertainment or other perks. Just oatmeal three times a day.
Them was the good ole days
 
 
gruntlabor said:
It's the way it used to be, MACK. It worked fine. Vagrants were arrested and if necessary tossed in the drunk tank.
Back then there was no entertainment or other perks. Just oatmeal three times a day.
Them was the good ole days
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They help them in Holland, but how many are we talking about? In my city it's 400. They want to have homelessness solved in 2030. America, they have loads and loads of homeless people. How on earth can you help all these people? And it's not like the rest of the people there are pampered by the government. May the single mom working 2 jobs pay one third of her income for it?
 
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