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Brookswood said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Nobody knowns for certain. The more certain people are regarding what is happening in this war, the more likely they are over estimating their own knowledge.
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Yep true that.

“Five, six times a day, it’s, ‘Oh, we won, it’s over. No, it’s going to go on forever. I’ll never let them have the Strait. Yes, we’re giving up the Strait. I’m getting out of Nato. We’re staying in Nato’,”
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smiley said:
when ya don't care about the rest of the world it's easier to just hang in there for a long time?
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Honestly, I think this is an existential moment for the US. The US is a country I love, and it's a people I admire (and married into). But that's not to say it's perfect, and this is a moment when reality impedes on accept truths and beliefs. There is an embedded idea that the free world can only exist with the US, and that any assistance or funding the US gives is charity. This has never been true. Aid/grants/loans call it what you want, but they are NEVER given without reasons, purely, of charity.

The current situation will have ramifications few have imagined. I do feel that many Americans (and I don't mean to insult anyone here) simply don't get it. The damage being done right now will be lasting, and it's not to the benefit of the US. This is really sad, imo. I know members of this site are sensitive to criticism of US policies, so I won't go further. I'll just say that what I'm seeing now is something that hasn't existed since pre-WW2.
 
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VaughanJB said:
Honestly, I think this is an existential moment for the US. The US is a country I love, and it's a people I admire (and married into). But that's not to say it's perfect, and this is a moment when reality impedes of accept truths and beliefs. There is an embedded idea that the free world can only exist with the US, and that any assistance or funding the US gives is charity. This has never been true. Aid/grants/loans call it what you want, but they are NEVER given without for reasons, purely, of charity.

The current situation will have ramifications few have imagined. I do feel that many Americans (and I don't mean to insult anyone here) simply don't get it. The damage being done right now will be lasting, and it's not to the benefit of the US. This is really sad, imo. I know members of this site are sensitive to criticism of US policies, so I won't go further. I'll just say that what I'm seeing now is something that hasn't existed since pre-WW2.
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I totally agree with you. The damage we have done to ourselves and other countries is enormous and will be long lasting. We won’t recover from this in my lifetime. I worry about my kids and am glad I don’t have grandchildren.
 
While I don't agree with why or how we went into this war, it does seem a milestone may have been reached today between Israel and Lebanon. However, being a skeptic of anything we are told these days I will believe it when it has some longevity.

I do agree that we have damaged the US's standing in the world in a possibly irreparable way, and that includes our relationships with NATO countries and even Canada. I could mention China's ability to win friends and influence people through all of this, but I'll leave it at that.
 
seadoug said:
While I don't agree with why or how we went into this war, it does seem a milestone may have been reached today between Israel and Lebanon. However, being a skeptic of anything we are told these days I will believe it when it has some longevity.

I do agree that we have damaged the US's standing in the world in a possibly irreparable way, and that includes our relationships with NATO countries and even Canada. I could mention China's ability to win friends and influence people through all of this, but I'll leave it at that.
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Guy, even members of the UK government are now speaking against current events.

Forum rules prohibit an in depth discussion - but any good will is being set ablaze right now.
 
VaughanJB said:
Guy, even members of the UK government are now speaking against current events.

Forum rules prohibit an in depth discussion - but any good will is being set ablaze right now.
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I'm keenly aware of international politics. I've heard Starmer's stance on it and I respect it, although he is hardly the "darling" of the UK at the present time. Canada's Carney actually seems to be one of the most intelligent in the way he is responding.
 
seadoug said:
I'm keenly aware of international politics. I've heard Starmer's stance on it and I respect it, although he is hardly the "darling" of the UK at the present time. Canada's Carney actually seems to be one of the most intelligent in the way he is responding.
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The UK tends to be 10 years behind the US. So yes, Starmer will be replaced by Farage - a Trump wannabe. We have yet to go through the repercussions.
 
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