Are we in the beginning of the next Great Depression?

Yes, best wishes to all fighting alcoholism, and I have been lucky not to have that a problem in my family. As for ducking Uncle, it is easier than you think, I know so many that have done it when it was an eighteen month look back, but the younger ones are tuned into the five year one and are moving fast to get assets out of their parents and grandparents names...
 

Well you must run in a pretty wealthy group willing to divulge all their financial schemes to YOU..... I personally know of no one who is hiding anything.
 
You are in a minority, then, because these people include sisters and nieces who cover a spectrum of the middle class. They rarely disclose their net worth but they have on occasion told me how they were preserving some assets. I told them in a diplomatic way that this was wrong, but they were taking care of themselves at someone else's expense as so many do...
 

How nice that so many are willing to take you into their confidence. So you have spoken to the majority of Seniors in this country and they have told you this.. My.. when do you have time to post on this forum?
 
If my friends and relatives are doing this it is obvious to me that this shift in wealth is happening on a massive scale nationwide. BTW, have you noticed how quiet it is here since members were challenged on this matter?
 
I think they feel, as I do, that this is much ado about nothing.

But just in the outside chance they aren't here's step by step instructions. Thanks for the pubic service thread Ralphy!

http://info.legalzoom.com/shelter-assets-nursing-home-care-costs-23688.html

[h=4]Step 1[/h]Give monetary gifts to your loved ones before you get sick. Of course, there’s no way to know with certainty if or when you will need nursing home care, but giving gifts to your family members well ahead of time helps protect the money from creditors seeking to collect after your death. In the case of Medicaid, any assets you transfer within the five years prior to entering a care facility are subject to seizure after your death. Transferring funds before you fall ill shelters your money and ensures your family members can legally keep the gifts they receive.

[h=4]Step 2[/h]Hire an attorney to draft a “life estate” for your real estate, naming you as the life tenant and a loved one you trust as the remainderman, with future ownership interest in the property. As a life tenant, you retain the right to continue living in your home until your death. After your death, ownership in the property is transferred to your loved one, which prevents the state from making a claim against it. If you create a life estate and transfer real estate, you’ll incur no penalty if you enter a nursing home, provided the transfer occurred at least five years before your illness. If you enter a nursing home within that five-year window, however, you may incur a financial penalty for transferring property that would otherwise have been available for estate recovery.


[h=4]Step 3[/h]Place liquid assets into an annuity. Some states, such as Colorado, do not count periodic payouts from annuities when determining Medicaid eligibility. Thus, you can transfer your assets into an annuity and qualify for Medicaid-covered nursing home care without having to spend down your assets. If your state does consider annuity payouts when determining Medicaid eligibility, you can still safely transfer assets into an annuity, but you cannot use Medicaid's services for a specific period of time following the transfer.


[h=4]Step 4[/h]Transfer a portion of your monthly income to your spouse. The Federal Spousal Impoverishment Act protects the spouses of nursing home patients by permitting them to exclude their own income when paying for a spouse's nursing home care. If your spouse's income is less than the amount your state exempts, you can direct a portion of your income to your spouse to bridge the gap. The income you transfer to your spouse for monthly maintenance is exempt income and sheltered under federal law.


[h=4]Step 5[/h]Shelter your money through an irrevocable trust. Unlike a living trust, an irrevocable trust is exempt from nursing home costs. You cannot receive principal from the irrevocable trust, but the periodic interest and dividends you receive from the trust are safe from seizure.


[h=4]Step 6[/h]Place your assets and your spouse’s assets into a “pour-over” trust. This type of trust protects the assets from seizure while still allowing you access to the money. Create or modify your wills to include a testamentary trust providing for the welfare of the surviving spouse. Although a portion of the funds from the original trust “pour over” into the deceased spouse's estate, the testamentary trust included in his will protects that money from being seized to pay nursing home expenses. This provides financial protection for both you and your spouse regardless of which of you dies first.
 
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Are you kidding?! This is the financial future of the country we are talking about? The cost of nursing home care in this country is astronomical and will go out of sight soon. No, they don't want to tell us because they are guilty and they know it, but they aren't going to make it available again for their care, count on that...
 
Did you read those steps? Protection of a spouse is allowed but the steps went a lot further. I have a sister in a nursing home who you are now paying for while her kids are enjoying a million dollars in property and other asserts. Your tax money at work..
 
And that is why we need out tax codes all rewritten so the corporations and wealthy can no longer hide their wealth from the tax man for the US. Corporations can avoid taxes if their production and facilities leave the US. Wealthy can avoid taxes if the money they earn overseas never reach the US shores.

Revised tax code can address these ways of cheating the US of businesses and industries to avoid high taxes. So the US gets none but we would be better off with lower taxes that we do control.
 
The whole system allows for abuse, and my friends and relatives are abusing it in their own small way, but that doesn't make it right...
 
Well, you could put my name on whatever you got as I don't plan on dying as I see no point to it...
 
Yea I agree, it's greedy seniors just as it was those greedy unqualified home buyers causing the meltdown. I mean who did these people think they were ? Actually wanting to retire on the money they paid in for 50 or more years (while some still are) and actually wanting to buy a house ? Even when in fact only about 1 in 4 have achieved because the rest just...own a mortgage, not a house.

I mean let's look at America's truly great values. Buying one house with a 30 year mortgage...paying or 3. Taxing capital at 20% just up from 15% and taxing your best labor from 30-40%. 95% of all income growth since 2007 going to the most deserving top 5% of income earners. 1/3 of the fortune 500 paying no federal taxes at all. Taxpayers subsidizing multi-billion agric. conglomerates and oil industries, a corn industry that get billion$ from the govt. and a protective tariff against foreign competition that is more efficient. Taxpayers taking the risk for bankers and hedge funds that take the profits and claim not enough capital to take the losses. Socialism for the rich...capitalism for the poor.

Now those are truly America's superior values of a growing, proper and predominantly ethical, dutiful, Christian society. Yep, going to church on Sunday and on Monday, selling your neighbor an $8,000 job for $12,000. Grown successful men sitting in the pew next to you, cheating on their taxes and maybe even their wives.

The answer ? No, we are in for what Japan had and still does...a lost decade or more. The solution...Solient Green !!
 
And also... those damn greedy Seniors actually wanting to pass the fruits of their life long labors on to their children and grandchildren.. when it would be so much better used in the hands of large Healthcare conglomerates and their shareholders... shame on them.
 
America is at a crossroads. Is economy to serve society as apparently the political left feels it should, particularly in Canada and Europe and somewhat in the US, or is society to serve the economy, as it seems the political right in the US and elsewhere, feels it should ? With the rhetorical denigration (propaganda) that anything govt. must do to force the former, called socialism which of course, it is not and with the right promoting less regulation and less return on the soc. sec. dollar and particularly in banking and calling their policies, a free market which it is not, which road will America take ? I fear for the youth and their prospects if the right is further allowed to continue their policies started by Reagan...well into our future.
 
Medicaid nursing home care was meant for those who have no other resources to pay for their care, and that is why there is a five year look back. Now that everybody is aware of this they are hiding the assets in time. This is essentially "legal" stealing that you don't want to 'fess up to here...
 
Medicaid nursing home care was meant for those who have no other resources to pay for their care, and that is why there is a five year look back. Now that everybody is aware of this they are hiding the assets in time. This is essentially "legal" stealing that you don't want to 'fess up to here...

Stealing? If you consider it stealing to circumvent a rigged and unfair system to be stealing..

What part of Healthcare for all.. is it the you don't understand. Seniors shouldn't have to spend every penny they have earned to pay for it. It should be provided. This is just one more way the Right siphons money from the middle and shifts it to the top. Rather than being able to keep the wealth in the middle sector by passing it along to our heirs, we are forced to give it to the wealthy and large corporations owning and operating these facilities for a profit. More wealth transfer.. moving it out of middle class hands.. and adding to the elimination of the middle class... Take a fraction of that bloated defense budget.. and eliminated some of the Corporates subsidies and tax loopholes and we could care for our citizens from the cradle to the grave. And why is that a bad thing?
 
We should stop pointing the finger in different directions and start pointing it at ourselves...
 
We should stop pointing the finger in different directions and start pointing it at ourselves...

No... I don't think so... More power to Seniors who are able to keep what they've earned and pass it down to their heirs.. We need to provide for our elderly, not take every penny they have.
 
You are not taking it from the elderly but allowing their children to grab it who didn't earn it!
 
Then lets fix the entire tax code to prevent the rich from being able to hide all their wealth and the industries from locating their headquarters and facilities overseas so they can hide any profits from the current US rip off rates. Apparently it is a lot cheaper overseas for the corporate taxes and their labor rates are so much less than in the US and we are demanding more wages to offset the higher costs of everything and the prices are just going up and up and up. Why is that? Poor money management by the government would be one reason. Poor tax management would be another reason as that can cause price rises to stay in business.

It does not matter who ends up in control, our government is in need of a complete cleanup and maybe reduction in size. If better outside methods can be found we should use them rather than to increase the size of the government with their overpaid employees and plenty of benefits not available to the general public.
 
You are not taking it from the elderly but allowing their children to grab it who didn't earn it!

Do you not believe a person should be able to Will their money to their heirs? OR.. since no heirs have earned it.. maybe we should make all inheritance illegal and simply transfer all our money to the government when we die.
 


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