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fureverywhere

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When you join a site and maybe it seems to be in your interest. Then you read a post or three and oh dear gawd no...There was this site. Supposedly celebrating the bully breeds. Someone asked a question about ear cropping. Now for any humane save the pitty's sites it would be " Heck no, natural tails and natural ears is the way to go." If you don't know from these procedures. Sometimes it's AKC specification...Dobermans and others...with "fighting dogs" droopy ears and tails would be easier to bite.

I remember a girl who pulled me over one day. Callie's tail was cut before we met him. Like she was asking for a fix...where did we get his tail done? Bullocks, don't do that to your pup really. If I could give my boy back his backbone ya know? No that site is too ignarent to deal with f'real
 

Off topic, but here's a video from the TV show where the dogs visit a nursing home.


And service dogs...http://www.buzzfeed.com/kaelintully/5-adorable-pit-bulls-who-are-changing-minds#.hvY8BoDNB2

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I can't stand to think of them doing that to cattle let alone to dogs.
 

Personally I think the dogs look better the way they were born.

I have gotten flak for having my cats declawed. Was I wrong?
 
I have to look for that book. But with the ear thing again. As a human, imagine if one day you woke up and a bit more than half of each ear had been sliced off. Covering the edges were sutures and tape. The people who did it to you gave you pain pills but it was still uncomfortable for months, especially when the tape was removed and fresh tape was put on. All to give you a certain look. They cut off part of your tailbone too but that only hurt when you tried to wag.
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My husband had a pure bred Doberman when I first met him, and her ears were already cropped. Like many reputable breeders, especially those who have show dog champions, will rather have their own Vet do the procedure. We bought two Standard Schnauzers who were also ear cropped before they left the breeder.

Many people prefer the dog to look the way they are accepted in American dog shows. When we were younger, we also had the vet do a cropping for two of our dogs, but now that we're older and wiser, we both agree to never give unnecessary surgery for cosmetic reasons to any of our pets anymore, regardless of how simple it is, done with lasers, etc. The natural look is the way it should be and we both agree that many dogs of various breeds look very beautiful the way nature intended.

I never had my cats declawed, always just clipped their nails with a little clipper and that worked well. I never knew what declawing entailed until several years ago. After learning what was truly involved, I would absolutely never do it and would encourage others not to put their cats through that pain. There are also negative effects for the safety of the cat and psychological side effects.

I don't fault anyone who has already had it done, many people who live in apartments have it done to their cats, but I would definitely discourage it. http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2014/01/03/declawing-cats.aspx
 
Redd said:
Personally I think the dogs look better the way they were born.

I have gotten flak for having my cats declawed. Was I wrong?
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Well since you asked, yes, I think it was the wrong thing to do. Cats need to claw things, it seems to be an instinct and I think your responsibility as an owner is to find that perfect (and acceptable) thing that they like to use. I bought a couple of things to try, carpeted cat tree and one of those corrugated card board scratch pad things and he didn't use either but I did notice that he would lay under the sideboard and kind of test the cross bar that was at hand and it had a few scratches from him doing that. Since he seemed to like wood, I found a half log that is about 7-9" wide and with the bark on, and laid it on a rubber mat so that it won't slip.

Every morning, the first thing he does when he gets out of his play-pen, he runs over to it and scratches (and stretches) and then wants his breakfast.

You know, most of us have done something that we thought was acceptable at the time, but as we go along, we begin to realize that we made a mistake. I once bought a puppy from a pet store. That was a mistake and I didn't understand what I was supporting by doing that. I made a mistake but now I know and I advocate against it. Unfortunately growth and evolution as people and spiritual beings has a multitude of mistakes along the way and all we can do is learn from them so as not to repeat them. :love_heart:
 
Debby said:
You know, most of us have done something that we thought was acceptable at the time, but as we go along, we begin to realize that we made a mistake. I once bought a puppy from a pet store. That was a mistake and I didn't understand what I was supporting by doing that. I made a mistake but now I know and I advocate against it. Unfortunately growth and evolution as people and spiritual beings has a multitude of mistakes along the way and all we can do is learn from them so as not to repeat them. :love_heart:
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Years ago I used to love to see puppies and kittens through a pet store window. But as I started to go in the stores to see the ones who were waiting in cages, I became very sad and felt sorry for these animals. Many of them weren't even taken care of properly in the store, and some looked downright unhealthy. I didn't relate anything to where they may have come from, back then I didn't hear much about puppy mills.

Now that I know what puppy mills are all about, I think they should all be reported, banned and the people running them should be behind bars. They are starting to do away with selling these animals in stores, and that's a start.

We should all learn from our mistakes, it would make for a better world for people and animals.
 
I had a cat declawed maybe almost forty years ago. I still lived at home and my parents had show room furniture. My living room furniture is well worn and comfy now. We all make mistakes, I would never declaw a cat again. We won't even talk about folks who do de-barking.
 
Redd said:
Personally I think the dogs look better the way they were born.

I have gotten flak for having my cats declawed. Was I wrong?
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Well, a cat's claws are their best defense against predators, so a declawed cat should become a 24/7 house-cat, for it's safety.

In the past my ex had a cat declawed, and something went wrong, maybe a damaged nerve or...I don't know what. But, the cat's personality totally changed from being claim and sweet, to being very antsy and parinoid. :shrug:
 
That's sad, I suppose if instead of waking up with your ears cut off, if someone cut out your fingernails instead...yeah you might not be so trusting afterwards.
 
"Declawing" a cat is not just removing the claws, it is removing the first joint of the toes, so there can be complications and trauma, physical as well as mental. In some countries I don't think vets will do it at all, some won't in the US because they consider it cruel and some will do it only if it is the the only way the person can keep the cat (bleeding disorders, risky if the cat were to scratch the person).

I love the book "Beautiful Joe," it is sort of like "Black Beauty," the dog version. Very sad, but a very good book.

Why do some people in the US crop Dobermans' ears? They don't in the UK. I saw a Dobie at Westminster this year with natural ears.
 
Dog breeding involves a lot of cruel things, (not allowed in all countries) ear and tail removal being just a couple, but what about the breeding that makes a pug, it's eyes are almost popping out.Or a dachsund, with it's ever shorter legs and over long body?Or a Peke, they can hardly breathe.
have a cat's claws clipped now and then, but not de-clawed.Here in the UK very few cats are house cats, they come and go as they please through a cat flap.
 
I am sure you didn't mean to do anything 'wrong'.... I know having them declawed takes away the fear that they will ruin some furniture, etc... So that is understandable.
Hopefully your cats are strictly indoor cats, otherwise they are defenseless outside... Have a cat declawed reduces their chances of being taken in to a shelter because they say it limits what kind of a home they could be adopted into. Our shelters here in Denver will only place a declawed cat into a home where the people must sign a pledge that it will strictly be an indoor cat.
 
I've read about abuse through breed specifications. Take English Bulldogs, so many health issues you need a vet on speed dial. With birthing you really need a vet present. They have been bred by AKC and UKC standards to have heads too big to pass through the birth canal. This breed conformity thing can be taken too far IMHO.
 

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