Weren't we more on our own?

Yeah, things change. I'm not sure it was just my family or what. But 70 years ago, parents were much more hands off, and we were mostly on our own. No, I don't mean we weren't loved, unfed, and thrown out in the cold; but parents back then weren't so into their kids lives, as it seems today?
 

That made us more responsible and aware of consequences.

Speaking of consequences, dads were more hands on than dads today are.
 
Speaking of consequences, dads were more hands on than dads today are.

I`m not sure about that. Looking at my son and sons in law,I think Dads are much more hands on today. I think years ago,Dads were made to be much more the "bad guy" ("just you wait til your father gets home")but today,while they do still share in the disciplining,they ar much more involved in the day to day lives of their kids. That`s been my experience anyway.
 

I see from my in laws and my dad that they had to work to get the mere necessities and that was what 'love' was.

Now all the video games and all the junl food and all the too many choices and still its not enough for the kids today.

You work,they ccomplain.youuuu don't work,they ccomplain they don't have enough crap.

I saw all the Greek families around me still babying their kids.when my son moved out at 20 years old,my spouse was upset ,I was sas but realised its his life aand this is what we are meant to do,give them the tools to be able to survive and fend for themselves.
Ii warned him that I can't help him monetary wise if he leaves and he was ok with that.
5 years later,he is becoming a great man with the passing of each day.

I find now,that parents are too soft,not enough rules.the kids are making the demands aand the parents obey.

As for the fathers being more back then,I find men today are more attentive to their kids but not because there was a lack of love like youu say,but because men were mostly the bread winners back then.
 
i think the world was considered safer and that led to being expected to go out on your own a bit more.today it seems we feel there is high risk in children being on their own so we are protective and then it continues on into young adulthood.
 
i think the world was considered safer and that led to being expected to go out on your own a bit more.today it seems we feel there is high risk in children being on their own so we are protective and then it continues on into young adulthood.
I agree . Back then we were hearing about pedophiles on tv all the time, etc. Kids were given much more freedom to ride bikes for hours, etc.
 
I`m not sure about that. Looking at my son and sons in law,I think Dads are much more hands on today. I think years ago,Dads were made to be much more the "bad guy" ("just you wait til your father gets home")but today,while they do still share in the disciplining,they ar much more involved in the day to day lives of their kids. That`s been my experience anyway.

disciplining is the kind of hands-on I meant.
 
("just you wait til your father gets home")

Please, please I WANTED my Dad to get home, when Mom got mad she could be a force of nature.

But yeah as I've posted before during our grade school years a huge construction site was our playground. All the kids on our block were middle class and well cared for. But it was just understood, you get home from school and go out to play till dark. On the weekend the same thing...after cartoons you were out with your friends for the day.
 
About 30 years ago it was a big deal for parents to find "quality time" with their kids because they were both working outside the home and they and the kids were into so many other activities as well that there was a thing about making up for lack of quantity by making the few brief periods of time with the kids "quality" time. I don't know if that is still a fad because the parents I know now have grown kids and even grandkids. But when I was a kid most mothers did not work outside the home (they worked all day IN it!) and they were just there for us kids. We weren't inside with them all the time, we played outdoors all over the neighborhood on our own, but all the mothers more or less knew each other and they were there for us; there was no "quality" time -- we were just all "around."
 
i think the world was considered safer and that led to being expected to go out on your own a bit more.today it seems we feel there is high risk in children being on their own so we are protective and then it continues on into young adulthood.

The world WAS a safer place when I was a kid (at least it was in the area WHERE I was a kid). In my neighborhood there was a sort of unspoken cooperative among parents that everybody looked out for everybody else's kids, too, as in "ALL you kids get out of there, there might be snakes!" Nowdays somebody would pop out of their house and say "don't tell MY kid what to do!" Back then, mom would say "You heard Mrs. Smith -- get out of there like she told you to."

And back then, somebody else could help you if you fell off your bike and hurt yourself -- they could patch you up and take you home without fear of being accused of child abduction or pedophilia.

We walked to school everyday in groups, without parental supervision. I saw in the news yesterday where a mother got in trouble with the authorities for "making" her children walk to school because they had fooled around and missed the schoolbus -- not far, either, and she was following along behind them in the car. My sister and I walked to school every day from grade school on up, and it didn't damage us any.

If we had demanded that we have the latest doodad because "everyone else" had one, my dad would have laughed himself silly.

Many (if not most) parents are way too soft on their kids today, and coddle them to a point where they grow up to be self-entitled and don't know how to manage on their own. From my parents I learned how to be responsible, accept the consequences of my actions, take care of myself, respect others, and to work for what I wanted, not expect it to be handed to me on a platter. Those lessons have served me well.
 
The world WAS a safer place when I was a kid (at least it was in the area WHERE I was a kid). In my neighborhood there was a sort of unspoken cooperative among parents that everybody looked out for everybody else's kids, too, as in "ALL you kids get out of there, there might be snakes!" Nowdays somebody would pop out of their house and say "don't tell MY kid what to do!" Back then, mom would say "You heard Mrs. Smith -- get out of there like she told you to."

And back then, somebody else could help you if you fell off your bike and hurt yourself -- they could patch you up and take you home without fear of being accused of child abduction or pedophilia.

We walked to school everyday in groups, without parental supervision. I saw in the news yesterday where a mother got in trouble with the authorities for "making" her children walk to school because they had fooled around and missed the schoolbus -- not far, either, and she was following along behind them in the car. My sister and I walked to school every day from grade school on up, and it didn't damage us any.

If we had demanded that we have the latest doodad because "everyone else" had one, my dad would have laughed himself silly.

Many (if not most) parents are way too soft on their kids today, and coddle them to a point where they grow up to be self-entitled and don't know how to manage on their own. From my parents I learned how to be responsible, accept the consequences of my actions, take care of myself, respect others, and to work for what I wanted, not expect it to be handed to me on a platter. Those lessons have served me well.

Boy, how true!

Yet, people look back at (in my case) the late '50's / early '60's and say "Oh, it was a regressive time - a time of Neanderthals". No, there were a LOT of wonderful things about those times. In fact, one of the central themes of my book The Great Hamster Land-Speed Record is the freedom that we kids had to do (mainly) stupid things, but also the learning opportunity it presented to us.

Nowadays the kids are given their learning "opportunities" in the comfort of their air-conditioned / heated McMansions, usually through the liberal application of mucho dolares.
 
Boy, how true!

Yet, people look back at (in my case) the late '50's / early '60's and say "Oh, it was a regressive time - a time of Neanderthals". No, there were a LOT of wonderful things about those times. In fact, one of the central themes of my book The Great Hamster Land-Speed Record is the freedom that we kids had to do (mainly) stupid things, but also the learning opportunity it presented to us.

Nowadays the kids are given their learning "opportunities" in the comfort of their air-conditioned / heated McMansions, usually through the liberal application of mucho dolares.

In my case, back then was about the same time -- although probably mid 50s to early 60s. And yeah, we had a lot of opportunity to learn interesting lessons, too -- do not try to pick cactus apples; make sure you've REALLY got a shot at getting over a big hole in the ground before you try to jump over it to be cool; car trunks are not the best place to be for very long (trying to smuggle 18 kids into a drive-in theater that has a "per person" price), and be sure someone has a key to said trunk; your mother has special radar that lets her know when you're lying to her about where you've been; if you sneak out your bedroom window your dad will plant a big, fat rosebush under it; and, most important of all -- do not jump on trampolines wearing pants with no "give" in them. Oh, yeah, and don't put your deceased rats from your science project into the freezer or your mother will have a COW!!! AND, your parents will NOT take your side if you are caught doing something you're not supposed to be doing (like sneaking into a movie theatre) -- they'll stand by and watch as the wrath of the establishment falls down on you and you become convinced you'll be doing life in a federal penitentiary for felony sneaking.
 
Boy, how true!

Yet, people look back at (in my case) the late '50's / early '60's and say "Oh, it was a regressive time - a time of Neanderthals". No, there were a LOT of wonderful things about those times. In fact, one of the central themes of my book The Great Hamster Land-Speed Record is the freedom that we kids had to do (mainly) stupid things, but also the learning opportunity it presented to us.

Nowadays the kids are given their learning "opportunities" in the comfort of their air-conditioned / heated McMansions, usually through the liberal application of mucho dolares.

You mean lessons like the fact that you can't jump off the garage roof with an umbrella and expect to float to the ground? And trying to ride a bicycle along the top of a fence isn't as easy as it looks? And that cats don't care to be baptized? Yeah, we learned lessons like that the hard way.
 
You mean lessons like the fact that you can't jump off the garage roof with an umbrella and expect to float to the ground? And trying to ride a bicycle along the top of a fence isn't as easy as it looks? And that cats don't care to be baptized? Yeah, we learned lessons like that the hard way.

All those things SHOULD have worked! The science was all there, the conditions were perfect ... I just don't know where we went wrong ...
 
All those things SHOULD have worked! The science was all there, the conditions were perfect ... I just don't know where we went wrong ...

I know! My cousin, a big fan of Tarzan, tied a garden hose to the chimney of our friend's house and tried to swing on it a la Tarzan's vine over the fence into the yard next door. It didn't quite work out that way. Boy, did we all catch hell over that one! Hey -- I was just a spectator!
 
I was a real tomboy .. climbed onto sheds and jumped from roof to roof, dropped out of the 2nd story window of my girlfriend's house (we were sneaking out after dark), climbed huge coke piles (like coal, but lighter) - could have gotten buried in them. No wonder my knees are wrecked. Those were the days though, so much fun!
 
I hate to admit that nowadays I'm afraid to go out in winter, lest I should slip and fall on ice. This from a once big roller coaster aficianado. When we lived in Vancouver, my brother and I loved going to Capilano to run across the old suspension bridge. I was disappointed to see how safe and sturdy the new bridge was.
 
We used to have the roller skates that clamped onto your sneakers. Heavy, all-metal things.

We'd start at the top of our driveway, shove off and fly downhill until we hit the ramp we put at the curb, launching us into the air and into the street.

A lot of drivers taught us colorful vocabularies.

We also used to race around in my basement, smashing into things, laughing, getting up and going at it again like demons.
 
We don' even have to go that far back. Just 20 or 30 years ago pot was illegal and you could smoke anywhere, now pot is legal and you can't smoke anywhere.

go figure :confused:
 

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