Protesting Fans Turn Backs As Others Cheer At Joe Paterno Ceremony At Penn State

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Penn State had a ceremony to celebrate ex coach Joe Paterno being it would've been 50 years since he first took over the Penn State football program. HUH? *^*($)%)$##%#%#

Many fans cheered-*&^%$#@! while some turned their backs in protest-:encouragement:.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/penn-state-fans-cheer-protesters-turn-backs-joe/story?id=42161748

Considering the first formal allegations of abuse were surfacing by 1976 and insurance claims were being paid out a few decades before Sandusky was officially caught I must question Penn States decision for this celebration. It ignores decades of abuse, criminal cover up and enabling by this man.
 

I guess all of our heroes have feet of clay. I'm an Ohio State alum, and I would not have supported the Penn State "celebration" either.
 
I can't begin to understand it either except that some sports lovers can be a rabid lot to the point of being delusional about their heroes. Somebody might be a serial wife beater, drown their dogs, molest children and play the game to kill...but they're still a durn fine team player...
 

I'm glad and proud of the fans that had the guts to turn their backs. Apparently they were from a visiting school team as well. They said Paterno turned his back on the victims so they're turning their backs on him.

Disgusted at the fans the celebrated Paterno, shows the sheeple yahoos college sports attracts.
 
WhatInThe said:
Penn State had a ceremony to celebrate ex coach Joe Paterno being it would've been 50 years since he first took over the Penn State football program. HUH? *^*($)%)$##%#%#

Many fans cheered-*&^%$#@! while some turned their backs in protest-:encouragement:.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/penn-state-fans-cheer-protesters-turn-backs-joe/story?id=42161748

Considering the first formal allegations of abuse were surfacing by 1976 and insurance claims were being paid out a few decades before Sandusky was officially caught I must question Penn States decision for this celebration. It ignores decades of abuse, criminal cover up and enabling by this man.
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I am not certain this was ever proven, I know it was alleged but I don't remember them proving he knew what was going on. What a black eye for our state.
 
Carla said:
I am not certain this was ever proven, I know it was alleged but I don't remember them proving he knew what was going on. What a black eye for our state.
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Apparently Penn State has been paying victims for years prior to when the scandal broke. One suit went to court in 1976 but was dismissed. Rumors have Sandusky committing abuse as early as 1971 I think it was. I think this was like the Catholic church scandal. Alot of whispers and hush hush early on until too many victims and lawsuits popped the lid off the secrecy.
 
I think, given the circumstances, it was inappropriate to have that ceremony in the first place.

Paterno was head coach, this stuff happened on his watch, and he either knew what was going on or failed to keep an eye on what was going on with his underlings, and it was definitely a failure in leadership. I think he knew, but didn't want to upset the winning applecart, and young men were damaged for life when he was supposed to be in charge.
 
Sandusky's victims were members of the Second Mile, an organization he founded for underprivileged youth. This is after he retired from assistant coach. That began in 1977. In 1976, Paterno was allegedly approached by a team member and was rebuffed. However, it was never investigated by the court. He was never convicted of anything. So, we can assume things, find some facts hard to believe, whatever (and I do too) but he wasn't found guilty of anything. Maybe the fact that he was dying they decided not to prosecute but that too, would be an assumption. Here's a question, though. Have you ever in your life thought you knew someone so well that you could not believe something very bad about them?

The Second Mile was a government program set up under President Bush, so he actually wasn't working under Paterno during this time of molestations. I feel badly for these boys (now men) whose lives were affected by Sandusky. These kids already were having a tough time. His behavior was criminal and unforgivable.

It may have been best not to focus on Paterno, the family was against it. Others wanted to honor a man that dedicated himself (and family) to Penn State. Not trying to sway anyone's feelings here, but the accusations were never proven (that he knew). The sexual misconduct was levied upon Sandusky alone.
 
I believe he knew as early as 1976 about what Sandusky was doing and aided in the cover up to protect Sandusky's job. He was indeed dedicated to Penn State, so much so that he turned a blind eye to Sandusky's behavior to protect the school's image.
 
Carla said:
Sandusky's victims were members of the Second Mile, an organization he founded for underprivileged youth. This is after he retired from assistant coach. That began in 1977. In 1976, Paterno was allegedly approached by a team member and was rebuffed. However, it was never investigated by the court. He was never convicted of anything. So, we can assume things, find some facts hard to believe, whatever (and I do too) but he wasn't found guilty of anything. Maybe the fact that he was dying they decided not to prosecute but that too, would be an assumption. Here's a question, though. Have you ever in your life thought you knew someone so well that you could not believe something very bad about them?

The Second Mile was a government program set up under President Bush, so he actually wasn't working under Paterno during this time of molestations. I feel badly for these boys (now men) whose lives were affected by Sandusky. These kids already were having a tough time. His behavior was criminal and unforgivable.

It may have been best not to focus on Paterno, the family was against it. Others wanted to honor a man that dedicated himself (and family) to Penn State. Not trying to sway anyone's feelings here, but the accusations were never proven (that he knew). The sexual misconduct was levied upon Sandusky alone.
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According to this Sandusky set up or founded The Second Mile Club in 1977. Sandusky would've still been an assistant coach at that time. The organization was praised by Bush for community volunteer work in 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Mile

In 1971 a 15 year old who accused Sandusky of rape and was eventually paid off from one of the lawsuits eventually filed. The victim says his dad told college officials and/or two men identified as Jim and Joe. He says recognizes Joe Paterno's voice and Joe was one of the people his dad talked too. At least six assistant coaches supposedly knew about Sandusky's proclivities by the late 1980s and another coach said he knew in the 1970s.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...m-to-drop-rape-claim-against-sandusky-in-1971

In a college football program the size of Penn State's especially in the 1970s and 80s it was big and powerful yet small enough to be micro managed by a coach like Joe Paterno. Paterno had to nudged away from daily hands on decision making this century. He tried managing the program til the end of career. He was not the type to not know what was going on with his players, staff and/or facilities. And with any big program there is a lot of hand shaking, fund raising and/or charity work. Meaning he probably had contact with Penn State administrators ie the ones who knew about the insurance payouts. Given college football programs are notorious for anything from recruiting scandals/violations, academic cheating scandals or basket weaving courses and covering for their star players it's not that far a leap to cover for staff. Big time college football is money and way of life for too many, they minus well be a junky because their ain't no way in heck they are voluntarily going to give that up.

That being said yes there has been little or anything proven in a trial. But lawsuit depositions are sworn testimony in most cases. Too many different people have been coming out and saying things that all point in the same direction. I'd admired Bill Cosby for decades and thought he was a good example for a young person. But there is enough evidence out there I believe his accusers enough that he is no idol. It's tough having a contrived perception thrown at you year after year but remember big time college football is a show for money.
 
WhatInThe said:
According to this Sandusky set up or founded The Second Mile Club in 1977. Sandusky would've still been an assistant coach at that time. The organization was praised by Bush for community volunteer work in 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Mile

In 1971 a 15 year old who accused Sandusky of rape and was eventually paid off from one of the lawsuits eventually filed. The victim says his dad told college officials and/or two men identified as Jim and Joe. He says recognizes Joe Paterno's voice and Joe was one of the people his dad talked too. At least six assistant coaches supposedly knew about Sandusky's proclivities by the late 1980s and another coach said he knew in the 1970s.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...m-to-drop-rape-claim-against-sandusky-in-1971

In a college football program the size of Penn State's especially in the 1970s and 80s it was big and powerful yet small enough to be micro managed by a coach like Joe Paterno. Paterno had to nudged away from daily hands on decision making this century. He tried managing the program til the end of career. He was not the type to not know what was going on with his players, staff and/or facilities. And with any big program there is a lot of hand shaking, fund raising and/or charity work. Meaning he probably had contact with Penn State administrators ie the ones who knew about the insurance payouts. Given college football programs are notorious for anything from recruiting scandals/violations, academic cheating scandals or basket weaving courses and covering for their star players it's not that far a leap to cover for staff. Big time college football is money and way of life for too many, they minus well be a junky because their ain't no way in heck they are voluntarily going to give that up.

That being said yes there has been little or anything proven in a trial. But lawsuit depositions are sworn testimony in most cases. Too many different people have been coming out and saying things that all point in the same direction. I'd admired Bill Cosby for decades and thought he was a good example for a young person. But there is enough evidence out there I believe his accusers enough that he is no idol. It's tough having a contrived perception thrown at you year after year but remember big time college football is a show for money.
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He wasn't found guilty of anything because he died in the middle of it all.

In a recent decision in a civil case in Philadelphia between Penn State and its insurers, the judge entered findings that, based on sworn witness testimony, the powers that be, including Paterno, DID know and turned a blind eye. I can get the case particulars, if you're interested.
 
WhatInThe said:
According to this Sandusky set up or founded The Second Mile Club in 1977. Sandusky would've still been an assistant coach at that time. The organization was praised by Bush for community volunteer work in 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Milem

In 1971 a 15 year old who accused Sandusky of rape and was eventually paid off from one of the lawsuits eventually filed. The victim says his dad told college officials and/or two men identified as Jim and Joe. He says recognizes Joe Paterno's voice and Joe was one of the people his dad talked too. At least six assistant coaches supposedly knew about Sandusky's proclivities by the late 1980s and another coach said he knew in the 1970s.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...m-to-drop-rape-claim-against-sandusky-in-1971

In a college football program the size of Penn State's especially in the 1970s and 80s it was big and powerful yet small enough to be micro managed by a coach like Joe Paterno. Paterno had to nudged away from daily hands on decision making this century. He tried managing the program til the end of career. He was not the type to not know what was going on with his players, staff and/or facilities. And with any big program there is a lot of hand shaking, fund raising and/or charity work. Meaning he probably had contact with Penn State administrators ie the ones who knew about the insurance payouts. Given college football programs are notorious for anything from recruiting scandals/violations, academic cheating scandals or basket weaving courses and covering for their star players it's not that far a leap to cover for staff. Big time college football is money and way of life for too many, they minus well be a junky because their ain't no way in heck they are voluntarily going to give that up.

That being said yes there has been little or anything proven in a trial. But lawsuit depositions are sworn testimony in most cases. Too many different people have been coming out and saying things that all point in the same direction. I'd admired Bill Cosby for decades and thought he was a good example for a young person. But there is enough evidence out there I believe his accusers enough that he is no idol. It's tough having a contrived perception thrown at you year after year but remember big time college football is a show for money.
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Thanks for correcting me as I only know what I read (info is conflicting depending where you get it from) online and local papers. Being tried by the media is a lot tougher than court sometimes. I have no affiliation to Penn State or their football team, so no, your assumption is incorrect, it is not tough. He was not one of my heroes. However, because we think he should have known, does that make him guilty or is it just by association?

Civil cases are handled differently, and here's a good one, the man is deceased. Did Penn State have any knowledge of prior convictions, and who were these six coaches that knew? There had to be court records if what was said in the article was true
in which case. someone should have been informed.

Your last article by CBS is a good one, however, it seems to be written from views of it's author. It is OK to state something "I believe" but that still does not make it so. After all, we still are considered innocent until proven guilty in our country. So say what you want, even draw your own conclusions, but enough has been said about this situation and I am through. The man truly responsible sits in prison. The person suspected of turning his back is dead. I don't follow PS football so if people want to honor Paterno or if they want to protest (and that seems to be very popular these days) so be it.
 

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