Another Way Billionaires Pay Taxes

Lon

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Billionaries like Buffet, Bezos,Trump, Gates and all the new dot.com group don't have their $$$$$ stuffed in a mattress. In addition to what they personally pay in Income Taxes their $$$$$ is out there in the economy paying thousands of peoples salaries who in turn pay their FAIR SHARE of Income Taxes. Econ 101
 

Billionaries like Buffet, Bezos,Trump, Gates and all the new dot.com group don't have their $$$$$ stuffed in a mattress. In addition to what they personally pay in Income Taxes their $$$$$ is out there in the economy paying thousands of peoples salaries who in turn pay their FAIR SHARE of Income Taxes. Econ 101

Lon, the notion of billionaires pulling their own weight, and paying their
FAIR SHARE of Income Taxes

seems to be a sore point for you.


VooDoo economics anyone?

The economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted that "trickle-down economics" had been tried before in the United States in the 1890s under the name "horse and sparrow theory." He wrote, "Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the horse-and-sparrow theory: 'If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.'" Galbraith claimed that the horse and sparrow theory was partly to blame for the Panic of 1896.[SUP][14][/SUP]
In New Zealand, Labour Party MP Damien O'Connor has, in the Labour Party campaign launch video for the 2011 general election, called trickle-down economics "the rich pissing on the poor".
A 2012 study by the Tax Justice Network indicates that wealth of the super-rich does not trickle down to improve the economy, but tends to be amassed and sheltered in tax havens with a negative effect on the tax bases of the home economy.[SUP][16][/SUP]
In 2013 Pope Francis refers to trickle-down theories (plural) in his Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium with the statement (No.54) "Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system."[SUP][17][/SUP]
A 2015 report by the International Monetary Fund argues that there is no trickle-down effect as the rich get richer:
 
tnthomas said Lon, the notion of billionaires pulling their own weight, and paying their
FAIR SHARE of Income Taxes


seems to be a sore point for you.

No sore point at all. I just really get pissed at what I really believe is a class issue for many people.
 

The wealthy definitely SHOULD pay a higher percentage income tax than the poor and middle class.. They use more of our resources. AND they can afford it..
 
Lon, please explain why you get pissed about it being a 'class issue', when it is exactly that, for many people.


Do you believe that a person is just a slouch, if they did not get their MBA or JD and become financially well off?

There are active military and veterans that aren't making enough money to avoid using Public Assistance; I personally am saddened by that state of affairs, and I don't feel scorn or condemnation

towards those because of their lesser financial condition.
 
Well, call it supply side, trickle down or the rich pissing on the poor, the bottom line is there there are basically two systems. One says, "He who earned it, owns it" and the other says, "The government owns and is in charge of distributing the money".

In the first you do have a disparity of wealth. Every time the second is tried there is equality - equality of poverty (well, except for the Commissars, etc. - they seem to do fairly well).
 
I have issue with those who suggest that a billionaire with 10,000 employees is some sort of saint. The mantra is that all those salaries he pays generate billions of dollars into the economy. I disagree.

Let's say a billionaire owns 20 hotels. Each hotel has 20 maid/service staff. He pays those people $7/hour. If he didn't own those hotels, is it safe to assume the facilities would not exist? Are we saying that people would stay home instead of seeking lodging for events, business trips, family vacations, etc.? Hogwash!!
Okay, just for the sake of trying to satisfy the fans of the rich and famous... let's say that instead of he/she owning 20 hotels, small businessmen owned 15 hotels... individually. Those small businessmen appreciated their staff and paid $10/hour. Cleaner rooms, better maintained facilities, etc. saw the occupancy of those 15 hotels equal or greater than the occupancy of 20 hotels with low paid staff and a remote owner. Now, instead of the billionaire owner sending his huge profits overseas... or showing a huge loss and not paying any taxes... that small businessman paid his local, state, and federal taxes.

Who wins? Employees, charities, infrastructure, military.... we've generated far more in tax revenue than Trumping... I mean dumping the profits into foreign banks. The locally owned facility is much more likely to purchase furniture made down the road, food and beverage from local vendors, and maintenance supplies from his next door neighbor.

Nope! The pundits the "trickle down" fans listen to on radio and Fox News are multi-millionaires or billionaires themselves. They are going to preach the gospel of how the Country would not survive without the wealthy. This Country thrived for many years with farmers as Presidents and with local banks being owned by local people. I fully believe we could survive another 200+ years without seeing money moved by the boatload to foreign banks instead of being taxed and spent up and down Main Street.
 
Lon, please explain why you get pissed about it being a 'class issue', when it is exactly that, for many people.


Do you believe that a person is just a slouch, if they did not get their MBA or JD and become financially well o

.
There are active military and veterans that aren't making enough money to avoid using Public Assistance; I personally am saddened by that state of affairs, and I don't feel scorn or condemnation

towards those because of their lesser financial condition.

Thomas There are many many people without a college degree or even a high school education that are quite well off.
What irritates me is the HAVE NOTS envy of the HAVES with out understanding that many of the HAVES were once HAVENOTS.

Who feels scorn or condemnation for the needy?
 
Please tell me how they use more of our resources without paying.

Oh come on Lon. They use more electricity and natural gas heating and cooling their big homes. They use more water filling their pools. maybe they pay, but these are not renewable resources. And they waste a heck of a lot more then the poor do. They use our roads more, shipping their products... They use the Court System more with endless litigation. Trump is case in point.
 
Thomas There are many many people without a college degree or even a high school education that are quite well off.
What irritates me is the HAVE NOTS envy of the HAVES with out understanding that many of the HAVES were once HAVENOTS.

Who feels scorn or condemnation for the needy?

Well Lon, it appears from all you have said in your posts that it is you have scorn and condemnation for the needy.
 
I did not know that rich people paid no utility bills, gas, electricity,water, sales tax, property taxes. All resources free is that right Quicksilver?
 
Well Lon, it appears from all you have said in your posts that it is you have scorn and condemnation for the needy.

I see more of it as a condemnation of class warfare used to divide our people for political purposes. It is a mindset that ignores the need for equality of opportunity and replaces it with equality of outcome.

I was raised poor but am now comfortable. I do not have disdain for those with less by I do resent those pushing the concept that it is the government's job to share what I have earned with others.
 


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