Manchester

Wintermint said:
Lara takes the easy jingoistic view and is, as so often, dead wrong.
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Was that really necessary? I believe you're just trying to puff yourself up. I've seen you play your "jingoistic" card on other members here, and after reading your post and finding it riddled with misunderstandings as to what I posted, I find that you use the sensationalized "jingo" word because you're not reading member's words carefully.
 

Some of you posters may be interested in this that I posted on another forum after some members were complaining that Muslim leaders never speak out in Australia, in my opinion I believe the Iman was very brave, realistic, honest and truthful in what he said.

au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/35632786/manchester-bombing-australian-muslim-leaders-clash-over-terrorists-motive/#page1

The following was the reply I received........

Imam Tawhidi from South Australia has been the lone voice of the Muslim community. He and his family have received Death threats and WORSE, because of his condemnation of other Muslim leaders not speaking out . One of the most recent warning he gave the Australian Government was the move by certain Muslims To form a Muslim State Governed by Sharia law within Australia


 
Bee said:
The following was the reply I received...One of the most recent warning he gave the Australian Government was the move by certain Muslims To form a Muslim State Governed by Sharia law within Australia
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I read a list of Sharia Laws and that is some scary s***!
 

...That`s right.. British born, who was allowed to become ''radicalised''...Just as the perpetrators of the London bombings of 2005 were. Their ''controllers'' ordered THEM to carry out their evil deed, as well. The authorities HAVE to find these ''controllers'', and as quickly as possible. The hunt for them must continue day and night, without slackening off. It would probably be a good idea to begin with investigating all Mullahs of mosques who are known to preach ''hate'' sermons, thereby indicating their tacit support for terrorist groups...
Because, if the source isn`t eradicated, it will surely happen again...and keep on happening.
 
...If THAT should ever look like happening..(God forbid...), i think that the majority of the Australian people would be very much against it. It`s the ''weak'' government, with its propensity for allowing it to come about, which i would be most concerned with...
 
I was perhaps being overly personal and if so I apologise. However to suggest my response was incorrect because I didn't understand what you really said and meant is a classic Trump response. If you don't like it change the reality. We both know what you said.

Lara said:
Was that really necessary? I believe you're just trying to puff yourself up. I've seen you play your "jingoistic" card on other members here, and after reading your post and finding it riddled with misunderstandings as to what I posted, I find that you use the sensationalized "jingo" word because you're not reading member's words carefully.
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There is Sharia Law in this country but it still has to be within the confines of English law, it is used mainly for civil cases such as divorce etc etc, we also have Beth Din (Jewish) law which has been practised in this country for years and years, this is also for civil cases such as divorce etc etc

Both laws are very very similar especially where woman are concerned regarding divorce...in fact there are a lot of similarities between the Orthox Jew and the True Muslim.
 
Bee said:
There is Sharia Law in this country but it still has to be within the confines of English law, it is used mainly for civil cases such as divorce etc etc, we also have Beth Din (Jewish) law which has been practised in this country for years and years, this is also for civil cases such as divorce etc etc

Both laws are very very similar especially where woman are concerned regarding divorce...in fact there are a lot of similarities between the Orthox Jew and the True Muslim.
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That's a mistake. One law for all is the way it should be. You are either a country with laws that cover all citizens or you re not.
 
Sharia is used by some communities to manage disputes, but it has no legal standing under British law. It is more like subscribing by agreement to a set of rules. British law is the only real, actual and valid law in Britain. There are numerous examples of people - usually women, perhaps understandably given their status generally speaking under Islam, who resort to real courts in the end.
 
Manchester.

What do you think of the horrible attack on Manchester? I find it frightening. The perpetrator was known to the police. The troops have been called in and they are visibly armed.
 
Of course it is horrible. There is nothing that can be done or said. Until there is a change of heart in the radicals beliefs these things will continue. Any effort to eradicate these types only breeds more.

The only measure I can take is to protect me and mine,by being ever vigilant and staying away from crowded venues.

I wish I could do more, but there are thousands of folks much smarter and better informed than I working on it.
 
My partner went up to our town centre for a small works outing in our pub/club area. This is a very small city but there were police with automatic weapons on the street.

Americans might find it hard to appreciate how wrong that feels here, even if it was deemed good for public confidence - the purpose of it after all..
 
In my area there will still be armed police on patrol also armed police water patrol boats until after the Bank Holiday week end.
 
You are jumping to conclusions. Nobody suggested they should not be armed. It is probably an unpleasant necessity and certainly a bit of a shock to us here in the UK. Just because violence seems to be the default reaction to anything out of the ordinary in America does not mean the rest of the world takes the same approach.

Wayne said:
Would you wish to be on patrol looking for those who may kill you un armed?
If encountered do you thing a severe tongue lashing would subdue them? Those willing to die for a cause don't play dumb games.

No offence to any other country just from a lifetime in the military.
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I'm sorry but I don't think I understand the question. We are responding in the correct way I think.

Wayne said:
UK was attacked sir by an enemy, with that in mind what would be the right thing to do in your thoughts ?

Want to be it will happen again?
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On any given day about 100 people more or less die in traffic accidents in the U.S. And hardly anybody blinks an eye. The way I figure it I'm at least 10,000 times as likely to get scrubbed by getting T-boned by a soccer mom in an SUV at one of the intersections between my house and the grocery store than I am of getting blown up by a terrorist. So I prioritize the precautionary measures I take accordingly.
 
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