Have we forgotten WWII?

Grumpy Ol' Man

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Our community has an auditorium called the Peace Memorial Auditorium. It was built in the 50's and dedicated to the 101 servicemen from our county who gave all in WWII. Over the years, the community let it waste away. Lights were not repaired, they were "stolen" for use elsewhere. Air conditioning was never installed so no one wanted to use it during summer weather. Broken seats were not repaired. It had virtually been vacated... abandoned.

About 2 years ago, the City wanted to rip out the inside of the structure and turn it into offices. A number of WWII veterans still living, along with families of those who had fought in that conflict, became organized in an effort to save the memorial. The City Commission at that time did not want to spend a dime on rehabilitation of the structure. After the organization said they would raise the money needed to refurbish it, the Commission said if a certain amount was raised... it was well over $1 million... they would match the funds. That Commission, of course, never thought they would need to come up with the money.

In the two years, the organization came up with the required amount for matching funds. They have begun work on the foyer, wanting to highlight the 101. Many of those no longer have family in the area. Many of those who do have not kept track of memorabilia from a couple generations ago.

An uncle of my wife's was one of the 101. Some years ago, she ended up with a trunk containing what was left of the things reference his service. That trunk had been in our basement for years, with no real time nor interest to dig through it. My wife was not even born when her uncle was killed. When we saw the plea for memorabilia, I brought the trunk upstairs so she could begin going through it. Wow!!!

An old uniform. What appears to be ALL the letters he wrote home to his Mother and Father. His funeral service folder. His induction paperwork. His pilot training graduation. (He was in the Army Air Corps. There was no "Air Force" back then. He piloted a bomber, flying missions in Europe. His plane went down over Germany 5 days before the Nazis surrendered.) She found his last letter home, posted the day before his plane went down. He told his Mother if he ever say one inch of German soil again it would be too soon. Said his plane had over 50 holes in it from enemy fire, but was still air worthy and they would keep flying as long as they could. The next day, the plane went down and the entire crew was lost.

A couple representatives from the organization will be here tomorrow evening. They are excited about our "find". We will, of course, donate everything they can use to the Memorial Auditorium project in hopes the items will assist in telling the history of that time. Been an interesting few days as my wife has been going through an "old forgotten trunk from our basement".
 
We should NEVER forget WWII, and what it cost us in lives snuffed out in their prime and the damage suffered by the survivors of those wars in maimed bodies and psyches; the same applies to the Korean War, Vietnam, and the conflicts in the middle east and elsewhere in the world.

Donald Trump needs an intense course in the actual costs of war in human suffering before he rattles that sabre of his.
 
Born mid '45. Interested in everything about it. Watch all WWII documentaries. Currently on Episode 8 of 'Band of Brothers' on Amazon. Respect & honor all those who served. Thank You.
 
Most everyone that was in WWII is now dead....so the horrors of it went with them.....now everyone thinks war is a video game, except for the few that have been to Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

The last time this country had war here was over 150 years ago. I hate it when tv shows or movies glorify war. There is no glory in being killed, or killing.

With the advancements of medicine, we have thousands and thousands of half soldiers coming home. It's not the missing arms and legs, it's the memories that haunt them for the rest of their lives.

Since WWII, war has become the base economy for the USA. Without war, we go into recession. Got to keep building that war machine.
 
Most everyone that was in WWII is now dead....so the horrors of it went with them.....now everyone thinks war is a video game, except for the few that have been to Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

There are a few of us Vietnam Veterans still around too Dude.

And don't forget Korea.
 
Grumpy I really hope that memorial gets revamped. I wasn't here yet but my father served and he and my mother told me many things about the war when I was growing up. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for the veterans and for that generation.
 
During WWII there was not 24/7 television coverage of the conflict. People at home did not see reporting from the conflict. What they saw was the neighbor... the friend down the street... the church elder... the hardware store owner receive a telegram stating their son had been killed in action. This community was really small back then. Yet this county lost 101 boys in that war.

My wife's youngest uncle was just 12 when the uncle I mentioned was killed. He is still alive, but suffers from progressing ALS. He and my wife have had a number of hour long phone calls since she began researching this. Says he remembers when the Army car pulled up in the driveway and brought the telegram and the bad news. My wife's grandfather was home, but her grandmother was over at a neighbor's home. Her grandfather loaded the kids who were home in the car and drove over to the neighbor's home. Her uncle says he still hears... 70 years later... his mother's scream when she was told the news. There were four boys from just that area along the creek who did not come home.

I so wish the history... the memories... the mothers' screams... the siblings tears... could be played in our high school and college classrooms. If the youth of today could feel the heartache... could touch cloth of the casket flags... could hear the patriots reciting the Pledge of Allegiance... while reading the history of Hitler, Nazism, and the aggressive bent all Axis powers were on perhaps we would see less patience with those who would denigrate our flag and our own history even though the 101 from our own county died to preserve that right.
 
My grandmother lost her 21 year old nephew in WWII, he was a ball turret gunner similar to the one pictured below.

We still visit his empty grave in our local family cemetery.

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I don't think it was forgetting WWII. Civic auditoriums are money pits. Just to keep them from falling over costs and arm and a leg. To keep them up to date is an enormous drain on dwindling tax bases. Nobody is booking them any more. Some are important architectural landmarks, that haven't been used in decades. (I'm not good at this. Hopefully there's pic of Worcester Mem. Auditorium (WWI)> Hasn't been used in decades.auditorium.jpg
 
These old money pits were built to honor people that gave more than an arm and a leg.

They should be maintained and retrofitted for new uses instead of being neglected and torn down.

This is a photo of the Gold Star Mothers breaking ground for our local war memorial building that was built to honor their children and the sacrifices that they made to protect our freedom.

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I lived through WW2 as a kid who did the things we kids could do to support or men and women in uniform. We were issued dog tags in Los Angeles there was so much fear of us being bombed due to proximity of defense plants. Both my folks worked in defense plants. We collected metal, rubber and other items as asked by the defense dept. We bought war bonds, endured air raid blackouts. Mom made me get was under the bed for "the battle for Los Angeles" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles We had anti aircraft guns one block from our home. In short and without going into all of it, I damn sure remember WW2, we all should!
 
I don't think it was forgetting WWII. Civic auditoriums are money pits. Just to keep them from falling over costs and arm and a leg. To keep them up to date is an enormous drain on dwindling tax bases. Nobody is booking them any more. Some are important architectural landmarks, that haven't been used in decades. (I'm not good at this. Hopefully there's pic of Worcester Mem. Auditorium (WWI)> Hasn't been used in decades.View attachment 42394

Excellent point. Many of the buildings were constructed with asbestos insulation which makes them uninhabital. The cost of asbestos remediation is significant. Bringing entrances, restrooms, hallways, etc. up to ADA standards costs money. So, it is expensive to maintain them. As maintenance lags, less people use the facilities. As less people use the facilities, maintenance lags even further. It's a downward spiral that spells abandonment and the buildings sit, deteriorating further.

We owe those who gave all to preserve our freedoms the respect of preserving and using these memorials. Expensive?? Certainly! We seem to be able to budget dollars to convention and tourism expenditures while forgetting those who died that we could move freely across our Nation. We seem to be able to budget dollars for economic development so private enterprises can flourish while forgetting those who died to preserve our free and capitalistic economy. We seem to be able to budget dollars for gymnasiums, ball fields, aquatic parks while forgetting those who died so our youth could participate in sports and not be marching in uniform, bowing to dictators.

We visited the work going on at the renovated auditorium in our community today. The foyer is beautiful, with much of the plaques and writings covered until the grand opening on Veterans Day. The interior still has some work ongoing, but the new gym floor is beautiful and was being utilized while we were there. New seats. New lighting. Air conditioning. The citizens got together and decided not to allow this facility to fall into further disrepair. It takes a village!!! It takes elected officials prioritizing where the existing revenue stream is spent. It takes neighbors and families working together to preserve the memories of those who gave so much that we could be free.
 
My parents and relatives weren't even in the US during WWII, I wasn't born yet and my family was in Hungary so kind of on the other side. One uncle died in Hungary in WW2.
I am a citizen of the USA and have been since the age of 6-7 when my parents became citizens. I wasn't born in Hungary so I think of the US as my home and honor the brave men who fought in all its wars.

I did live through Vietnam and all wars after. Lots of young men died in Vietnam for nothing sadly. I have 5 grandsons and I hope they never have to give their lives for this great country.
 
I have 5 grandsons and I hope they never have to give their lives for this great country.

The evening twelve years ago when our son broke the news he had enlisted in the Army was "interesting". The Iraq conflict was "hot". On one hand, we were confused/concerned why our son would be enlisting during such a dangerous time. OTOH, we were proud he felt he needed to serve his Country. The days during his combat deployments were long. I would pull up the casualty reports each morning to see if any from his unit were on it. Then one day it was as if a light had dawned. At that time, he was with the 82nd Airborne... one of the best trained and equipped fighting units in the world. I dislike using the phrase "he loved his job". He was a good soldier. How many people do we know who hate their jobs, hate going to work, have pathetic work ethic, and never seem happy/content. To pass in an auto accident going to a job you hate... To pass in an work accident at a job you dislike... If our son didn't come home, I knew he would have given his life doing what he was good at, was proud to be doing, and was so blessed to have that satisfaction in his work. That seemed to lift a burden off my shoulders.
Sure, we still worry about him. Over the past 3 years he has been assigned to a Special Ops unit. His deployments with that unit have been such that he could not tell his wife or us where he was until he arrived back home. On his last deployment, he could not take anything with him that would identify him as U.S. Military. Worried??? You betcha!!!
The military has provided our son with countless opportunities he would never had enjoyed in civilian life. He met our daughter-in-law while in the military. He has free medical care for his family. Paid college. College tuition assistance for their boys. He will retire at a fairly early age with a nice income, young enough to retire again from a second career. He loves jumping out of perfectly good airplanes and running marathons... and can't understand why his knees are gone in his mid-30's.

No, I hope no one loses sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters to war. I would never discourage a youth today from enlisting as we have seen what the Army has provided for our son... and the pride on his face as his Mother and I pinned his most recent set of stripes on his lapels.
 
My parents and relatives weren't even in the US during WWII, I wasn't born yet and my family was in Hungary so kind of on the other side. One uncle died in Hungary in WW2.
I am a citizen of the USA and have been since the age of 6-7 when my parents became citizens. I wasn't born in Hungary so I think of the US as my home and honor the brave men who fought in all its wars.

I did live through Vietnam and all wars after. Lots of young men died in Vietnam for nothing sadly. I have 5 grandsons and I hope they never have to give their lives for this great country.

I did 3 tours in Viet Nam and spent time in some of the lovely surrounding countries also as well as other tourist attractions in the area, I have no regrets if if had not been for the politicians we would have won that one, sadly we did not, I lost many friends also there and other places but would do it again.
 
I did one tour of duty from August 1970 to August 1971 in the United States of America's war of imperialist aggression in Vietnam. We were the bad guys, they were the good guys fighting for their country against foreign invaders. We lost and deservedly so. The only thing we accomplished was to prolong the bloodshed. But I am proud to be a Vietnam veteran. No right winger can get away with calling me a pacifist hippie draft dodger.
 
My mom had a boyfriend before she met my old man. I had forgotten all about that until I started thinking about this thread. She had some pictures of him and I found one that I had scanned into my computer a while back. This is him.

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His name was Harold something or other. I guess he might have ended up being my dad except that he went off to WW2 and got whacked somewhere over in Europe, I'm thinking it was in Italy, but I'm not sure.

My actual old man managed to talk his way into having his job declared "essential to the war effort at home." So instead I ended up with his worthless draft dodging ass for my dad. Somewhere in a box in one of my closets is an actual photo of Harold that has his full name and the date and place he got killed written on the back. One of these days I'm gonna hafta look for it.
 
Kids in New York were issued dog tags, but it was soon found that the older teens were trading them boyfriend to girlfriend.

There are still a few WW2 vets here in our senior community and they are honored every year. Those of us who were kids then but veterans later are recognized as well.
 
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