Tragedy in Vegas, do you think anything will be done with the gun laws or the same old rhetoric?

debbie in seattle

debbie in seattle

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Personally, I think as in the past tragedies we’ve seen, nothing will be done. I think the laws/rules need to be tweaked, sure isn’t working as it is.
 

From the sound of it, police assumed rightly that the shooter was using a fully-automatic weapon. Fully-automatic weapons are already illegal. However, I heard on the news last night that the shooter modified a semi-automatic weapon so that it would fire like a fully-automatic. The modifying piece is called a "bump stock", and the reporter said they can be obtained legally. That definitely needs to change. But a person could still obtain one from overseas, so we'd have to scan or search every piece of luggage, every purse, and rucksack at our airports. But a person can make one fairly easily, so... :upset:
 
Gun control laws...such as Australia have implemented...are wishful thinking here. No laws will prevent criminals and lunatics from acquiring weapons...it would just make it a little bit harder to do so, but they will still find ways to steal, or import weapons. After this recent Las Vegas shooting, I, and most others, would probably support a ban on these "modifications" that make it easy to convert a rifle to full auto....there is NO logical reason for a person to need an automatic rifle, IMO.

Every time one of these mass shootings occur, the rhetoric for gun control rises, but little or nothing ever gets done in that regard. Any attempt to prevent law abiding people from buying a gun, or any attempt to confiscate existing weapons would probably meet with massive resistance....almost to the point of rebellion. With some estimates placing the number of privately owned weapons as high as 300 million, trying to reduce that number by any appreciable amount would be futile.

This LV shooter doesn't seem to fit into any of the "standard" profiles of mass shooters....no history of mental illness, no previous criminal record, no apparent ties to any extremist groups, etc., etc. Solving this mystery may show us a whole new category of those we need to be wary of.
 
I think we will see some additional training, safety precautions, inspections, screenings, etc... implemented in large hotels and other venues to create the illusion of safety and that will be it.
 
I was listening to a talk radio program - not sure which; I was just pushing the "seek" button and landed on it. A guy phoned in and made an interesting point about the portability of weapons, and how toxic gases or similar weaponized chemicals would be an alternative to large guns for mass murderers. Focusing on guns isn't going to solve the problem, imo.

"...any attempt to confiscate existing weapons would probably meet with massive resistance..."

I would resist. I agree that there should be limits on semi-automatic weapons, but I believe there are some limitations in the ownership laws already.
 
I fear things will remain the same. People intent on harming others don't need guns to do it though. For example, in Boston the Tsarnaev brothers killed and maimed using pressure cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon finish line. MA residents were told to shelter in place for days while police conducted a search of the greater Boston area. We were not allowed even to walk our dogs. It was terrible and I lived through it and knew the fear first hand. But people of evil or sick intent will do harm to others with or without guns. It's the people who kill. We need to address this issue before anything else. Maybe then something will change for the better.
 
GypsyRoadLady said:
IMO no, who knows, but what kind of laws could have prevented this terrible sad event.
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I'm pretty doubtful that any law would have prevented what happened in Las Vegas where there was a perfect storm convergence between someone with a resentment or maybe a mental health issue and a large penned-in outdoor crowd of victims.

It's obvious we're not ever going to see gun control legislation because the gun lobby is far too powerful, or it would have happened after Sandy Hook. There's no way to legislate against mental illness or to stop an individual with a grudge. What we're seeing is guys who are upset about something in their lives, sometimes something as trivial as hot girls not wanting them. Apparently they believe going out and shooting a bunch of people is the solution. It's suicide by cop with the added component of killing a bunch of other people on their way out.
 
Smiling Jane said:
I'm pretty doubtful that any law would have prevented what happened in Las Vegas where there was a perfect storm convergence between someone with a resentment or maybe a mental health issue and a large penned-in outdoor crowd of victims.

It's obvious we're not ever going to see gun control legislation because the gun lobby is far too powerful....
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Plus, it's a constitutional right (in the US) to bear arms. Congress would have to repeal the 2nd Amendment, and I just don't see that happening. (Personally, I think it would be tragic.)

Wouldn't it be a slap in the FDA's face if we were to find out one day that some food additive or widely used crop insecticide was causing people to become homicidal-suicidal?
 
No laws will prevent criminals and lunatics from acquiring weapons...it would just make it a little bit harder to do so, but they will still find ways to steal, or import weapons.
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I agree with what Don M. said here ^^.
 
The whole gun control thing was focused on big time after Newtown. Nothing happened then, and nothing will happen now. There need to be regulations somewhere, but it is not just guns. Like someone said, Boston had pipe bombs, Oklahoma city was a truck packed with a fertilizer bomb. The 9/11 terrorists used knives, and the planes themselves.
There needs to be bipartisan support in Washington before anything gets done. And that will never happen.
 
Marie5656 said:
The whole gun control thing was focused on big time after Newtown. Nothing happened then, and nothing will happen now. There need to be regulations somewhere, but it is not just guns. Like someone said, Boston had pipe bombs, Oklahoma city was a truck packed with a fertilizer bomb. The 9/11 terrorists used knives, and the planes themselves.
There needs to be bipartisan support in Washington before anything gets done. And that will never happen.
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But people who commit crimes - the ones you reference and others - don't follow "regulations", and bipartisan support in Washington is a non-issue. Criminals and sociopaths couldn't care less about a bunch of people sitting at conference tables flipping thru papers and talking about how terrible a situation is and how people should conduct themselves.
 
Let's face it. There's NOTHING you can do about it. When these guys make up their minds to cause mayhem they're going to find ways
to kill people, a LOT of people.

SO.........we're going to do everything to keep from being targets ourselves.

As I've repeated again and again...........STAY OUT OF CROWDS !!!!
 
What will happen now is that innocent people will be inconvenienced as they are when they book flights.

You might see scanners in hotels. You won't be able to bring anything in with you to a concert.

You won't see too many outside venues with crowds.

Things of that nature.
 
Camper6 said:
What will happen now is that innocent people will be inconvenienced as they are when they book flights.

You might see scanners in hotels. You won't be able to bring anything in with you to a concert.

You won't see too many outside venues with crowds.

Things of that nature.
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I think they already check bags and backpacks at concerts and certain venues...don't they?
 
CeeCee said:
I think they already check bags and backpacks at concerts and certain venues...don't they?
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It was at a concert in LV when TSHTF ! Maybe having "concerts" in theatres with comfortable cushioned seats may discourage the killing

by these misfits.

I'd rather sit there than in a mosh pit.
 
Falcon said:
It was at a concert in LV when TSHTF ! Maybe having "concerts" in theatres with comfortable cushioned seats may discourage the killing

by these misfits.

I'd rather sit there than in a mosh pit.
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It was in a theater in Aurora, CO that a crazy person went on a shooting spree. There's no place where you're really safe, so I'm not going to worry about it.
I will check where exits are and things like that though.

Ive NEVER been in a mosh pit and doubt I ever will...do they even still do that??
 
CeeCee said:
I think they already check bags and backpacks at concerts and certain venues...don't they?
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But they don't check into your luggage at a hotel. That's why this guy was able to get guns on the elevator and into his room without arousing suspicion. The crowd was helpless. This was a gun free area, so they couldn't even carry a gun in for protection.
 

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