11 People Killed, Dozens Injured During Four Mass Shootings in the U.S. Over The July 4th Holiday!

[Jamala]

“Enough is enough. Intentional political manipulation
to the original meaning of the Second Amendment has
created a gun culture in the United States that perpetuates
tragedy after tragedy.

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
is an obsolete 18th century right that has no utility in a
21st century modern democratic republic.
It needs to be repealed to allow the states the capacity to reduce
mass violence which has become all too common with the
invention of mass produced weaponry never conceived or anticipated by our Founders.

The archaic notion that a militia is necessary and the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
is antithetical to a modern free society where the rule of law is practiced,
the rights of citizens are firmly established and a modern military
exists to repel any foreign invasion.

Most importantly without repeal of the 2nd amendment
mass gun violence will continue to plague America
and the right of people to be secure in their homes, schools,
places of worship and public gatherings shall perish from our nation.”

(Written by Richard Robinson, American).

Don’t tell me because I am not a born American,
I have no say in the matter. I do have every right and
the same goes for every humanitarian in the world.
Everyone has a right to say “Repeal the Second Amendment.”

It could be your child next ….

 

[PeppermintPatty]

Also, if you look at maps that show data on gun violence, most of them stress a correlation between education-levels and/or poverty and gun violence. Using the same maps and data, you can argue equally well that the correlation is between social programs and gun violence.

In states or counties where there's significantly less gun violence against individuals (specifically), you are also very likely to find less funding for programs like food stamps and unearned cash, free medical, free housing, free legal services, etc. They are places that refuse to coddle bad actors.

I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post whatsoever. You state that there’s a correlation between education levels and/ or poverty and gun violence.

In states or countries where there’s significantly LESS gun violence against individuals ( specifically ) you are also very likely to find LESS funding for programs like food stamps, unearned cash, free medical, free housing, free legal services, etc.,,

THERE ARE PLACES THAT REFUSE to CODDLE BAD ACTORS????

You state that there’s a correlation between education, poverty and gun violence yet you post the above. Are you claiming that poor education = poverty = bad acting = violence?

I whole heartedly disagree with you. There certainly is a correlation between poverty and gun violence and bad acting has nothing to do with it. Poverty situations call for desperate actions and desperate actions lead to violence. If there are guns available that help escalate this type of violence, then you can’t leave that out of the equation.

There are no places in Canada where citizens can’t get help if they need it. Help is always available to anyone and everyone regardless of financial status. We don’t view dealing with poverty as bad acting nor to we view offering help as coddling.

Are there people who take advantage of free help? YES! I think this is a common denominator with mankind regardless of location. Adding ‘guns’ to the equation doesn’t seem to help matters any.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

Well now, I guess Canadians must need a little help with "First Nations." Maybe all us Americans could solve that for you.

Perhaps you’d just shoot them all.
Isn’t this joking about serious matters what started this conversation to begin with?

Joking aside, the sad reality is that this problem wasn’t just a Canadian only problem. This was a problem across the border. Once the problem was uncovered in Canada, investigations took place in the United States with equally horrifying results.

The main difference is that we acknowledged it and tried to make amends so I wouldn’t laugh too loudly. You could probably solve it yourselves but you’d have to acknowledge it first.

This situation isn’t a country problem as much as a humanity problem. How it’s dealt with is the underlying difference.

 

[Murrmurr]

No,

I’m sorry but I don’t understand your post whatsoever. You state that there’s a correlation between education levels and/ or poverty and gun violence.

In states or countries where there’s significantly LESS gun violence against individuals ( specifically ) you are also very likely to find LESS funding for programs like food stamps, unearned cash, free medical, free housing, free legal services, etc.,,

THERE ARE PLACES THAT REFUSE to CODDLE BAD ACTORS????

You state that there’s a correlation between education, poverty and gun violence yet you post the above. Are you claiming that poor education = poverty = bad acting = violence?

I whole heartedly disagree with you.

Are there people who take advantage of free help? YES! I think this is a common denominator with mankind regardless of location. Adding ‘guns’ to the equation doesn’t seem to help matters any.

You misunderstood. I'm pointing out that these studies equate gun violence with high school drop-out rates and poverty, and that's it. But the data in those same studies also line up with very liberal welfare programs, including the free clean needles program, so you could argue just as well that that is the correlation.

Millions of Americans have had successful careers without a high school diploma. Millions of teenage single mothers have gone on to have very successful lives. And opportunities don't end at your parents income.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

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[PeppermintPatty]

No,

You misunderstood. I'm pointing out that these studies equate gun violence with high school drop-out rates and poverty, and that's it. But the data in those same studies also line up with very liberal welfare programs, including the free clean needles program, so you could argue just as well that that is the correlation.

Millions of Americans have had successful careers without a high school diploma. Millions of teenage single mothers have gone on to have very successful lives. And opportunities don't end at your parents income.

Thank you for clarifying that.
I did misunderstand

 

[Magna-Carta]

They ARE taking action. People are buying MORE guns for those ‘bad’ people who are usually them.

I'm just thinking to myself. Maybe it should be made compulsory for everyone to be armed at all times and all ages so they can protect themselves from everyone else. I might even get around to answering myself.

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I'm just thinking to myself. Maybe it should be made compulsory for everyone to be armed at all times and all ages so they can protect themselves from everyone else. I might even get around to answering myself.

That’d never fly in this country or most others.
Thank goodness.

 

[Myrtle]

Wow, Patty.

 

[Myrtle]

I see posts have been deleted, not mine, those of others. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately, they don't leave the memory bank.

 

[911]

I read in the Tampa newspaper this morning that July 4 & 5 are the busiest days for shooters shooting people. I guess many people use their gun as fireworks. I think it comes down to this. Too many people have no respect for weapons and do not understand their capabilities. Just because you aim at an object doesn't guarantee that's where the bullet is going. A simple .22 can travel over a mile when used to make noise.

I am near Tampa and Route 60 is a long causeway named the Courtney Campbell Causeway. It splits the Tampa Bay between Old Tampa Bay and Tampa Bay. Along the causeway are a few parks that sit between the causeway and the Bay. At one of the parks, an argument erupted between a couple of wave-runner drivers and park goers about the wave-runners getting to close to the kids in the water. Someone pulled a gun and started shooting. A Grandpa grabbed his 7 year old grandson and was pulling him into his truck when a stray bullet hit Grandpa in the hand and the 7 year old in the head killing him. Talk about being upset. I was ready to kick some tail. Talk about senseless and stupidity, there you have it wrapped up into one person.

Shooting

I really dislike reading about a child being killed by a rogue bullet. I hope they catch the shooter and stick him away for a long time. Nothing is worse for a cop than a child being killed or a woman being beaten by a man. I absolutely loathe those two felonies. Surprisingly, if a man goes to jail for one of these offenses, he's going to feel the other prisoners wrath in a lot of cases. If you murder someone and go to prison, you are treated OK, but you beat a woman or kill a kid then your in deep do-do with the other prisoners.

 

[Murrmurr]

I really dislike reading about a child being killed by a rogue bullet. I hope they catch the shooter and stick him away for a long time. Nothing is worse for a cop than a child being killed or a woman being beaten by a man. I absolutely loathe those two felonies. Surprisingly, if a man goes to jail for one of these offenses, he's going to feel the other prisoners wrath in a lot of cases. If you murder someone and go to prison, you are treated OK, but you beat a woman or kill a kid then your in deep do-do with the other prisoners.

Sometimes prison justice is more just than courtroom justice.

 

[Murrmurr]

@Jamala

Repeal of the 2nd amendment is the laziest, cheapest "solution" to gun violence in America.

If that right is repealed, American citizen's greatest fear is that it will begin a cascade of the repeals of other rights.

The US Constitution and, especially, The Bill of Rights were not designed to inform citizens of their limitations and boundaries, they were designed to inform our government of the specific limits of its power over citizens.

Specific responsibilities of every citizen are included in those documents, and one of those responsibilities is to protect ourselves against our own government. And foreign governments as well.

 

[CallMeKate]

If that right is repealed, American citizen's greatest fear is that it will begin a cascade of the repeals of other rights.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, that. I used to try to explain that to people but I eventually gave up because no one listens and/or understands, especially if they don't "have a horse in the race." Freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. etc. Once there's a crack in the foundation... @Murrmurr

 

[Murrmurr]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, that. I used to try to explain that to people but I eventually gave up because no one listens and/or understands, especially if they don't "have a horse in the race." Freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. etc. Once there's a crack in the foundation... @Murrmurr

A crack in the foundation results in a flood. And that is a certainty.

 

[911]

@Jamala

Repeal of the 2nd amendment is the laziest, cheapest "solution" to gun violence in America.

If that right is repealed, American citizen's greatest fear is that it will begin a cascade of the repeals of other rights.

The US Constitution and, especially, The Bill of Rights were not designed to inform citizens of their limitations and boundaries, they were designed to inform our government of the specific limits of its power over citizens.

Specific responsibilities of every citizen are included in those documents, and one of those responsibilities is to protect ourselves against our own government. And foreign governments as well.

I read on a post on this forum board that some wrote "when only the government and police have guns, the rest of us will be living in a police state and no one wants that." I agree.

 

[Myrtle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, that. I used to try to explain that to people but I eventually gave up because no one listens and/or understands, especially if they don't "have a horse in the race." Freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. etc. Once there's a crack in the foundation... @Murrmurr

A crack in the foundation results in a flood. And that is a certainty.

I read on a post on this forum board that some wrote "when only the government and police have guns, the rest of us will be living in a police state and no one wants that." I agree.

I agree.

 

[RadishRose]

Yes, this:

"The US Constitution and, especially, The Bill of Rights were not designed to inform citizens of their limitations and boundaries, they were designed to inform our government of the specific limits of its power over citizens."

Thanks, Murr