17 Canadian water bombers sent to California fire scene from Ontario.

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jimintoronto

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This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
 

jimintoronto said:
This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
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That’s wonderful news and Canada is a fantastic country for helping us!!!
 

jimintoronto said:
This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
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Now you've aroused my curiosity. Can these babies land in the ocean with all the wind creating some awful big swells, or do they just land on lakes and such?
 
Never mind... Ai just answered my question.

While these aircraft can operate in water and have some tolerance for waves when scooping, landing in an ocean with large wave swells would likely be beyond their design specifications for safety and operational reasons. The risk of wave-induced damage or loss of control would be significantly high.
 
jimintoronto said:
This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
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Keep us undated on the progress Jim. I wish them nothing but success.
 
squatting dog said:
Never mind... Ai just answered my question.

While these aircraft can operate in water and have some tolerance for waves when scooping, landing in an ocean with large wave swells would likely be beyond their design specifications for safety and operational reasons. The risk of wave-induced damage or loss of control would be significantly high.
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I was wondering the same thing.
 
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jimintoronto said:
This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
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There has been a lot of development/testing of drones for firefighting and implementation. Yes, De Havillands are awesome but what impact will they make with the current weather situation?
 
Twostep said:
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There has been a lot of development/testing of drones for firefighting and implementation. Yes, De Havillands are awesome but what impact will they make with the current weather situation?
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Drones cannot dump tonnes of water on a wild fire, nor can they disperse enough fire retardant to contain the fire front.
 
Twostep said:
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There has been a lot of development/testing of drones for firefighting and implementation. Yes, De Havillands are awesome but what impact will they make with the current weather situation?
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The De Havilland 215's and 415's can drop water from a thousand feet, if required. Each of those aircraft has a built in foam tank, that is mixed with the 8000 gallon load they carry. They can also work in the dark using night vision goggles.
 
squatting dog said:
Never mind... Ai just answered my question.

While these aircraft can operate in water and have some tolerance for waves when scooping, landing in an ocean with large wave swells would likely be beyond their design specifications for safety and operational reasons. The risk of wave-induced damage or loss of control would be significantly high.
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SALT water is NOT useful for fighting forest fires. The SALT water would quickly corrode the interiors of the aircraft tanks and pick up chutes. Fresh water is the answer. Both the 215's and 415's can scoop water from the surface at 100 mph, and fill their tanks in under 60 seconds, then take off again and go to the drop zone indicated by the in the air fire control aircraft. Both of these models are amphibians, able to land on water or a paved runway.
 
jimintoronto said:
This morning the Premier of the Province of Ontario Doug Ford announced that all of the water bomber aircraft owned by Ontario are on their way to California to assist in fighting the wild fires in the greater Las Angeles area. Ontario's entire fleet of 17 De Havilland water bombers will join other Canadian based water bomber air craft from British Columbia, Alberta and Quebec all ready in California.

The De Havilland models 215 and 415 are the only aircraft in the world that were designed specifically to fight wild fires. Each of these aircraft can land on water at 100 mph and in 45 seconds scoop up 8,000 gallons of water, then take off and go and drop that amount of water on the fire. The De Havilland water bombers are built in Canada and they are used all over the world.
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I would call this "typically Canadian" in that Canadians always seem willing to help out when and where needed.

A great country and one that should stay great (and independent!)
 
jimintoronto said:
SALT water is NOT useful for fighting forest fires. The SALT water would quickly corrode the interiors of the aircraft tanks and pick up chutes. Fresh water is the answer. Both the 215's and 415's can scoop water from the surface at 100 mph, and fill their tanks in under 60 seconds, then take off again and go to the drop zone indicated by the in the air fire control aircraft. Both of these models are amphibians, able to land on water or a paved runway.
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Generally the tanks are lined and everything gets cleaned after missions. Where do you suggest taking water from in the quantities needed but the Bay?
 
Irishdude said:
I would call this "typically Canadian" in that Canadians always seem willing to help out when and where needed.

A great country and one that should stay great (and independent!)
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And I will point out that the Ontario Government is paying for ALL the costs involved to operate the water bombers, pay the crews and supply them with housing. NO cost to the State of California. Ontario has also offered to send 165 forest fire fighters plus pumps thousands of feet of hoses and radios.

The Canadian Federal Government has offered 1,000 Canadian Forces members who are trained air base fire fighters who can be deployed in 24 hours to Los Angeles. The Provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland, have all offered fire fighters, paramedics, and Police volunteers to the State of California. Individual retired Canadian Police, fire fighters, and paramedics are on their way to California at their own expense to help in any way they can.

JIM.
 
jimintoronto said:
And I will point out that the Ontario Government is paying for ALL the costs involved to operate the water bombers, pay the crews and supply them with housing. NO cost to the State of California. Ontario has also offered to send 165 forest fire fighters plus pumps thousands of feet of hoses and radios.

The Canadian Federal Government has offered 1,000 Canadian Forces members who are trained air base fire fighters who can be deployed in 24 hours to Los Angeles. The Provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland, have all offered fire fighters, paramedics, and Police volunteers to the State of California. Individual retired Canadian Police, fire fighters, and paramedics are on their way to California at their own expense to help in any way they can.

JIM.
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And I thank them for their service. Believe me - sitting by the phone is not fun.
According to the manufacturer the tanks are made for salt water usage. So no worries!
Oklahoma has been on its way as it was when Canada burned.
I am so tired of fires. The smell, the dirt, the scare and then grass fires under ground!!!!
 

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