3 Killed In Crossbow Attack, Toronto

Butterfly said:
Clearly, we must ban the crossbow!
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Well, yeah! The keeping of crossbows for self defence is no longer a reasonable choice.

The following is a list of items that are prohibited in South Australia.
Crossbows are on the list.

Prohibited weapons include:
Knives

  • ballistic knife where the blade is fired by explosion, mechanics or percussion
  • butterfly knife / Bali knife / Balisong knife
  • handheld fighting knives including flick knives, trench knives, push knives, Ka-Bars, United States Marine Corps knife
  • knife belt that conceals or disguises the knife
  • star knife / shuriken / ninja star / throwing star
  • whole or part of a knife that cannot be detected by a metal detector or x-ray.
Daggers

  • double-sided blade or spike-style blade daggers
  • traditional Scottish daggers - Dirk and Sgian dhu.
Other weapons

  • nunchakus martial arts weapon
  • bayonet
  • brace catapult / slingshot
  • concealed weapons
  • extendable baton
  • full-size or pistol cross-bow
  • hand or foot claws / ninja claws
  • knuckle duster including weighted or studded gloves
  • laser pointer of more than 1 milliwatt
  • morning star, also known as English or medieval mace
  • poniard, a Masonic ceremonial weapon
  • tear gas where the chemical is CN, CS or DM tear gas.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/services-and-events/firearms-and-weapons/weapons
 
Butterfly said:
Clearly, we must ban the crossbow!
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I agree, those evil crossbows! Nobody should ever be allowed to own one, maybe only the police and military, but never the citizens.

IKE said:
Starting immediately we need to initiate strict background checks prior to their purchase. :rolleyes:
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Yes, and in addition to that, there should be at least a year long waiting period even after the background checks are approved, just in case the buyer is angry about something and wants to use the crossbow in a bad way that very day!

Capt Lightning said:
That sounds like a very British attitude. As soon as one tragedy happens, people are up in arms and screaming "Ban Ban Ban". As Ike suggests, we should start by being more careful about who we sell them to, however I expect that they could be made by anyone with some engineering skills.
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It is a very British attitude Capt, and unfortunately it's quickly becoming an American attitude. I venture to guess that Ike was being sarcastic in his reply, just as I'm being in my two replies above. Maybe I should use the 'rolleyes' smiley face too. :)
 
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I don't much care for the idea of crossbows for hunting. They tend to wound the animal, but not kill it. One (like a deer) can go for days, and quite a distance, before dying.
 
Interesting responses.
Am I to understand that the list of weapons prohibited in Sth. Australia are all allowed in US under the Second Amendment?

If that is the case, not wonder the traffic police have hair trigger responses to traffic violations.
 
Warrigal said:
Interesting responses.
Am I to understand that the list of weapons prohibited in Sth. Australia are all allowed in US under the Second Amendment?

If that is the case, not wonder the traffic police have hair trigger responses to traffic violations.
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:saywhat:
 
In another thread 911 indicated that police are very nervous about interacting with members of the public who may be carrying concealed weapons. If all of the items in the list I posted above (#6) are protected under the 2nd amendment as well as all categories of firearms, then I can understand their nervousness.

Please humour me. What categories of weapons are prohibited in the USA ? Where is the line, if there is one, drawn.
 
Warrigal said:
Interesting responses.
Am I to understand that the list of weapons prohibited in Sth. Australia are all allowed in US under the Second Amendment?

If that is the case, not wonder the traffic police have hair trigger responses to traffic violations.
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Most, not all on that list can be purchased and possessed. But not carried in public. Some states vary but a rule of thumb is if a knife blade is shorter than your palm it's ok.
 
Warrigal said:
In another thread 911 indicated that police are very nervous about interacting with members of the public who may be carrying concealed weapons. If all of the items in the list I posted above (#6) are protected under the 2nd amendment as well as all categories of firearms, then I can understand their nervousness.

Please humour me. What categories of weapons are prohibited in the USA ? Where is the line, if there is one, drawn.
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This should make you chuckle:

http://www.businessinsider.com/12-outrageous-weapons-that-are-legal-in-most-states-2012-9
 
Warrigal, here's a site where you can click on state by state to see their laws on carrying knives in public if you're interested. I personally don't think any of these things should be banned, a knife is a tool used and carried by many, I used to carry one myself during my working years on a daily basis, and I carry one now when out camping. It's not a "weapon", unless it is used that way by a criminal, in which case a hammer, rock, rope, car, etc. can be considered a weapon. http://www.knifeden.com/knife-laws-in-the-united-states/
 
There are utility knives and then there are daggers and other knives used to maim and kill.

Have you ever taken one of these camping? I haven't.

Knives


  • ballistic knife where the blade is fired by explosion, mechanics or percussion
  • butterfly knife / Bali knife / Balisong knife
  • handheld fighting knives including flick knives, trench knives, push knives, Ka-Bars, United States Marine Corps knife
  • knife belt that conceals or disguises the knife
  • star knife / shuriken / ninja star / throwing star
  • whole or part of a knife that cannot be detected by a metal detector or x-ray.

Daggers


  • double-sided blade or spike-style blade daggers
  • traditional Scottish daggers - Dirk and Sgian dhu.
 
I've only used folding knives carried either in my pocket or in a case on my belt, all of legal length blades.
 
Warrigal said:
Interesting responses.
Am I to understand that the list of weapons prohibited in Sth. Australia are all allowed in US under the Second Amendment?

If that is the case, not wonder the traffic police have hair trigger responses to traffic violations.
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Things that happen are not in response to the traffic violations. They are in response to perceived suspicious or threatening moves of the driver. Many police officers are shot at traffic stops and are quite cautious about them. The wise thing to do if you are stopped is to comply precisely with the direction from the officer -- like "keep your hands in plain sight."
 
Butterfly said:
Things that happen are not in response to the traffic violations. They are in response to perceived suspicious or threatening moves of the driver. Many police officers are shot at traffic stops and are quite cautious about them. The wise thing to do if you are stopped is to comply precisely with the direction from the officer -- like "keep your hands in plain sight."
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Many police are shot at traffic stops. Another reason why it is not a good idea to have so many guns in the hands of civilians. Everyone, armed or not, becomes a deadly threat. It is just crazy.
 
Most civilians with guns are very responsible people. If I'm traveling through the desert out of town, I usually have a firearm in my glovebox (legal in my state), but in a million years I would never threaten a police officer with it. The problem isn't the law abiding citizen with a gun, it's the bad guys with guns; and banned or not, they are going to get them. After all, banning worked so well with cocaine . . . .

I have a right to defend myself against rattlesnakes out in the middle of nowhere, whether they slither or walk on two feet.
 
Aaah.. Another reason we don't need a handy gun in the glovebox over here - snakes and other reptiles are protected species and as such they are all completely docile. :grin:
 

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