9 year old kills mother

Oh dear Lord, and according to that report, even tho' he was adopted the mother worshipped him...

I suppose the problem could be that with adopted children, there's no way of knowing if the child was born from mentally disturbed parentage...
 
It mentioned the child had a psychiatric evaluation. Makes you wonder right then and there if there were incidents/signs that showed he shoud've been supervised to a higher degree. Also one must wonder was he medicated and with what.

RIP. A person who is willing to take in lost souls will be sorely missed.
 

Sunny said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sister-9-old-boy-accused-killing-mom-just-143309862.html

This kid apparently had a history of being "disturbed." So, I'd like to know, where did he get the rifle from? Was it just laying around his house?
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So sad.

It said this in the article:

"I am unable to comment on the facts or status of the case," said T. J. Reed, an attorney for the boy. "It is important to allow this case to properly move through the legal process and to not pre-judge this child based on partial or unknown facts."
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I know that this is hard to imagine, but parricide is not as uncommon as some believe. In fact, there have been years when at least a single child has killed at least one parent a day or about 300 in one year. Why, is the question everyone seems to want to know, but there is no one reason. Obviously, mental illness plays a part, along with other issues going on in the child's life. I have seen it and it breaks my heart. The punishment set by the courts is sometimes either unfair or incorrect (my opinion). I don't think the kid's background is investigated deep enough before the punishment is handed down in some cases.

Young children have no concept of death or the consequences of a murder. The child seldomly has been able to comprehend his/her actions until years later. It's a sad situation for everyone. How did the child get the gun? In some instances, I know at least in one, the child watched where Dad hid the key to the gun cabinet. He later retrieved the key, opened the cabinet, loaded the weapon and BANG! Daddy was dead. All because Daddy wouldn't buy him that RC car that he wanted.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/199209/why-kids-kill-parents
 
WhatInThe said:
It mentioned the child had a psychiatric evaluation. Makes you wonder right then and there if there were incidents/signs that showed he shoud've been supervised to a higher degree. Also one must wonder was he medicated and with what.

RIP. A person who is willing to take in lost souls will be sorely missed.
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The article said that a relative said that the child had recently gotten worse after his medication was changed.
 
hollydolly said:
Oh dear Lord, and according to that report, even tho' he was adopted the mother worshipped him...

I suppose the problem could be that with adopted children, there's no way of knowing if the child was born from mentally disturbed parentage...
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I agree Holly.
 
I think the focus should be, rather than on the source of the child's mental disturbance, why and how he was able to get hold of a gun.
 
I think they have to focus on the why and the child's mental disturbance, because if they don't do that and find a way to treat it, he will do it again. Next time it might be a butcher knife if he can't get his hands on a gun. Something wrong is definitely going on in the thought processes of a child who finds a gun and deliberately shoots a family member.

I agree they need to figure out how he was able to get the gun, but I'll bet it comes down to his family's negligence in storing their firearm, and they can't punish dead people.
 
Had a recent case here (Hawaii) where an adopted son stabbed his mother to death. It was reported as a matter of abuse and that the woman's biological children (self described) were treated okay, but this adopted son was abused. He was sixteen when he killed his mother saying that it got to where he couldn't take it anymore. There was testimony from the biological children that the mother was strict but no abuse. Other family members testified to abuse. The judge took all that into consideration and decided to accept the plea deal to manslaughter and even then on this past Tuesday gave him only eight years instead of the usual twenty years, five of which he already served. There are numerous stories on how adopted children are abused and one wonders why people even adopt. Yes, children who kill do need to be evaluated mentally, but then so should the families.
 
I hate these depressing stories. There is enough of this kind of thing we must be exposed to without coming here to find it. I get enough of it on the news. Just my opinion of course. No offense intended...
 
Of course, you have the option of not reading about any subject that you don't want to read about.
 
Olivia said:
Had a recent case here (Hawaii) where an adopted son stabbed his mother to death. It was reported as a matter of abuse and that the woman's biological children (self described) were treated okay, but this adopted son was abused. He was sixteen when he killed his mother saying that it got to where he couldn't take it anymore. There was testimony from the biological children that the mother was strict but no abuse. Other family members testified to abuse. The judge took all that into consideration and decided to accept the plea deal to manslaughter and even then on this past Tuesday gave him only eight years instead of the usual twenty years, five of which he already served. There are numerous stories on how adopted children are abused and one wonders why people even adopt. Yes, children who kill do need to be evaluated mentally, but then so should the families.
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^^^ Bingo. Nice to read a thinking person's post, instead of a knee-jerk reactionary one. Many abusive parents justify abuse by calling it "Being Strict." As someone who has been there, I can honestly say some parents have it coming. I know some parents like that, & I don't think they're destined for a long life. And I wouldn't blame their kid one bit.

Everyone who knows me says I'm the nicest person they've ever known. But I came close a few times. Everyone has a breaking point; something stupid parents don't think about.
 
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Falcon said:
SO, What do we do with 9 year old murderers? He IS a murderer ya know.
Do we pat him on the head and say, "Don't you EVER do that again !"

Your thoughts ?
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No, we certainly shouldn't do that. I don't buy the "I had a lousy childhood" defense as a get out of jail free card. It would be different if he had killed his mother while she was trying to do something awful to him, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

Here where I live, he would most likely be sentenced as a youthful offender and sent to a psychiatric facility to be evaluated and treated. Who knows if that would really do any good.
 
Butterfly said:
No, we certainly shouldn't do that. I don't buy the "I had a lousy childhood" defense as a get out of jail free card. It would be different if he had killed his mother while she was trying to do something awful to him, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

Here where I live, he would most likely be sentenced as a youthful offender and sent to a psychiatric facility to be evaluated and treated. Who knows if that would really do any good.
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Actually, we don't what the case was, yet. Frequently, in these situations, the motive is not revealed, especially when minors are involved.

I wouldn't blame any kid for killing these parents: In fact, it's a shame they didn't.
https://ktla.com/2019/04/19/turpin-...entencing-in-torture-abuse-of-their-children/
 
I'll repeat my original question that started this thread: How and why was this kid able to get his hands on a gun?
 
Sunny said:
I'll repeat my original question that started this thread: How and why was this kid able to get his hands on a gun?
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I searched all the news wires that are available to me and I could not find anything related to how the child got his hands on the gun. If it is like inside most homes, it wouldn’t be much of an issue to get control of the weapon. However, I would have thought that knowing this young man was suffering with some mental issues, they would have protected their weapons more vigorously.

To answer John’s question, it appears that the D.A. Has indicted the child on first degree murder charges and also possession of a firearm. The court has already ordered the child to undergo psychological testing, which may or may not lessen the charges.

No matter what, this is a tragic event in many ways for several people and may have been preventable.

Without going into a lot of what I have learned over the years with regard to children that kill their parents, or Parricide, from what I have witnessed in the last 20 years, there are many parents out there that should have been made to take parenting classes. I am not blaming the parents, but parents that are better prepared to raise their children and understand what they go through while growing up, would be better suited to deal with their child’s problems and issues and maybe by “understanding” such things, it would make for a better relationship, instead of the child having hostilities towards their parents and vice versa.

This is too broad of a subject to cover all of the aspects of child-rearing and how things can go terribly wrong.
 
Sunny said:
I'll repeat my original question that started this thread: How and why was this kid able to get his hands on a gun?
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That's an easy one to answer. Many parents are incredibly stupid & reckless. As a responsible gun owner myself, I've had many conversations with them. It's like talking to a pile of rocks. They just don't get it. They won't invest in a gun safe or a quick-access lock box for many reasons:

They'll say, "I don't need to lock up my guns because:

"I taught my kids gun safety"

"I told my kids not to touch my guns & they're such perfect kids, they never disobey me."

"I take my 5-year-old kids shooting; they're safe with guns"

"My kids are so smart & special, I can trust them with everything."

"Hey...no one tells me how to raise my kids or what to do with my guns" (I hear that one frequently - especially stupid).

"My daddy never locked up his guns."

"I hid my gun so well, my kids will never find it." (Yeah....my parents hid whatever they didn't want us to touch, but they weren't very smart. While they were at work, we had all day to look for things, and we always found them.)

Another point these parents don't think about. When they don't lock guns up, they're also leaving them accessible to their kids friends who visit, as well as anyone else who comes to the house. My sister almost learned that the hard way. I argued with her many times about it. She'd always tell me how intelligent & mature her son was, so she didn't need a lock box for her gun. Until her son's 17-year-old friend visited, found the gun & jokingly pointed it at him. Of course, it was loaded. The only reason her son is alive is because the friend didn't pull the trigger. My sister bought a lock box that same day.

How did a 20-year-old kid who was mentally ill (Adam Lanza) get his hands on guns he used to kill 20 children & 5 teachers? His moronic mother bought them for him - along with plenty of ammunition. As a mental patient, her son would be prohibited from gun ownership, so she solved that problem by buying guns for him.

How do we fix stupid? Almost impossible.
 
win231 said:
That's an easy one to answer. Many parents are incredibly stupid & reckless. As a responsible gun owner myself, I've had many conversations with them. It's like talking to a pile of rocks. They just don't get it. They won't invest in a gun safe or a quick-access lock box for many reasons:

They'll say, "I don't need to lock up my guns because:

"I taught my kids gun safety"

"I told my kids not to touch my guns & they're such perfect kids, they never disobey me."

"I take my 5-year-old kids shooting; they're safe with guns"

"My kids are so smart & special, I can trust them with everything."

"Hey...no one tells me how to raise my kids or what to do with my guns" (I hear that one frequently - especially stupid).

"My daddy never locked up his guns."

"I hid my gun so well, my kids will never find it." (Yeah....my parents hid whatever they didn't want us to touch, but they weren't very smart. While they were at work, we had all day to look for things, and we always found them.)

Another point these parents don't think about. When they don't lock guns up, they're also leaving them accessible to their kids friends who visit, as well as anyone else who comes to the house. My sister almost learned that the hard way. I argued with her many times about it. She'd always tell me how intelligent & mature her son was, so she didn't need a lock box for her gun. Until her son's 17-year-old friend visited, found the gun & jokingly pointed it at him. Of course, it was loaded. The only reason her son is alive is because the friend didn't pull the trigger. My sister bought a lock box that same day.

How did a 20-year-old kid who was mentally ill (Adam Lanza) get his hands on guns he used to kill 20 children & 5 teachers? His moronic mother bought them for him - along with plenty of ammunition. As a mental patient, her son would be prohibited from gun ownership, so she solved that problem by buying guns for him.

How do we fix stupid? Almost impossible.
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I agree with you. I would bet it was something like that -- unsafe storage of firearms by the parent(s).
 
911 said:
I searched all the news wires that are available to me and I could not find anything related to how the child got his hands on the gun. If it is like inside most homes, it wouldn’t be much of an issue to get control of the weapon. However, I would have thought that knowing this young man was suffering with some mental issues, they would have protected their weapons more vigorously.

To answer John’s question, it appears that the D.A. Has indicted the child on first degree murder charges and also possession of a firearm. The court has already ordered the child to undergo psychological testing, which may or may not lessen the charges.

No matter what, this is a tragic event in many ways for several people and may have been preventable.

Without going into a lot of what I have learned over the years with regard to children that kill their parents, or Parricide, from what I have witnessed in the last 20 years, there are many parents out there that should have been made to take parenting classes. I am not blaming the parents, but parents that are better prepared to raise their children and understand what they go through while growing up, would be better suited to deal with their child’s problems and issues and maybe by “understanding” such things, it would make for a better relationship, instead of the child having hostilities towards their parents and vice versa.

This is too broad of a subject to cover all of the aspects of child-rearing and how things can go terribly wrong.
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Very good post.
 

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