A bleak topic, but do you have a plan if the **** hits the fan (Besides duck)

Knight said:
Always something good if you look for it.
Now that you have that experience you can be prepared if you ever get asked to a midnight wedding.

How were the pancakes?
Click to expand...
Have you heard of a midnight wedding? I thought it was a joke until I got to the church. I didn’t eat any pancakes.
 

VaughanJB said:
With respect, no it's not. Firstly there is no organization or business called "Science". Science is simply a word with a meaning. I looked it up so I got this precisely correct:

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

The scientific process is not corrupt, and in fact it's the very best method we've ever devised to arrive at truth. Science is alive and well.

Now, that said, when you look at the huge world of scientists, there are among them bad apples. Fair enough, it's sadly part of all human endeavors. Someone somewhere is trying to cheat or cut corners. However, the vast majority are good, honest, hard working folk working tirelessly toward whatever goal they have. And again, we've never found a better method.

Of course, we also face attacks on science, last surfacing in a big way with the Covid-19 vaccine. Social Media was used to distribute conspiracy theories and falsities. A good number of people took this gossip as gospel, and they began to attack science as a whole. Even when the theories were debunked, they didn't want to listen, because you know, all of science had been demonized. That's a people problem, not a scientific problem.

When you think about it, there were some really silly conspiracy theories out there. For example, that the vaccine contained microchips. Whereas, if a scientist had done their work properly, and if the chips existed, they would easily have been irrefutable evidence they were there. But of course, that never happened because a) there are no chips in the vaccine; b) why should those on Social Media do the hard scientific work when they could simply jump to a (false) conclusion and get their desired effect?

Of course, we do have "Big Pharma". The thing there is that a) Big Pharma produces all kinds of drugs that help millions of people every single day; b) They exist to make profit. It's the drive for profit, the capitalist notion of it, that can corrupt. So drugs are over-priced, patents abused, and so on. Whether you think that's right or wrong depends, I guess. If you're a staunch capitalist, aren't they simply exploiting the market and extracting maximum profit for their shareholders? If you're sick and can't afford your meds, they're evil. Wherever you fall, science isn't hurt by it, not as a discipline.

Fortunately, the scientific process is such that false data will eventually be weeded out and exposed. It may not happen overnight, but the process demands it is done. If you're investigating something, always look for three or four sources of different political persuasion, before coming to any conclusion. Oh, and don't buy supplements from crazy radio hosts.
Click to expand...
Yes, the scientific process does filter out bad data because after a study is published, other researchers will repeat the study and report their results.

The other thing to consider is - who controls the funding for the research? If it's a drug company vs a grant from the federal government, there may be some bias.
 

VaughanJB said:
With respect, no it's not. Firstly there is no organization or business called "Science". Science is simply a word with a meaning. I looked it up so I got this precisely correct:

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

The scientific process is not corrupt, and in fact it's the very best method we've ever devised to arrive at truth. Science is alive and well.

Now, that said, when you look at the huge world of scientists, there are among them bad apples. Fair enough, it's sadly part of all human endeavors. Someone somewhere is trying to cheat or cut corners. However, the vast majority are good, honest, hard working folk working tirelessly toward whatever goal they have. And again, we've never found a better method.

Of course, we also face attacks on science, last surfacing in a big way with the Covid-19 vaccine. Social Media was used to distribute conspiracy theories and falsities. A good number of people took this gossip as gospel, and they began to attack science as a whole. Even when the theories were debunked, they didn't want to listen, because you know, all of science had been demonized. That's a people problem, not a scientific problem.

When you think about it, there were some really silly conspiracy theories out there. For example, that the vaccine contained microchips. Whereas, if a scientist had done their work properly, and if the chips existed, they would easily have been irrefutable evidence they were there. But of course, that never happened because a) there are no chips in the vaccine; b) why should those on Social Media do the hard scientific work when they could simply jump to a (false) conclusion and get their desired effect?

Of course, we do have "Big Pharma". The thing there is that a) Big Pharma produces all kinds of drugs that help millions of people every single day; b) They exist to make profit. It's the drive for profit, the capitalist notion of it, that can corrupt. So drugs are over-priced, patents abused, and so on. Whether you think that's right or wrong depends, I guess. If you're a staunch capitalist, aren't they simply exploiting the market and extracting maximum profit for their shareholders? If you're sick and can't afford your meds, they're evil. Wherever you fall, science isn't hurt by it, not as a discipline.

Fortunately, the scientific process is such that false data will eventually be weeded out and exposed. It may not happen overnight, but the process demands it is done. If you're investigating something, always look for three or four sources of different political persuasion, before coming to any conclusion. Oh, and don't buy supplements from crazy radio hosts.
Click to expand...
Semantics. :) I believe you are sincere, but science, politics, religion, education, big business all corrupt --and, when not corrupt, they're inept, easily misled. We can't eat the almighty dollar, God help us, we're going down. No offense, no big deal, just an opinion.
I just had a fine, honest, hard-working young man put a new hat on Patience (a new roof on my house). What hope he gave me for the future!
 
My plan is to take time to give thanks for having the opporunity to live a full life during such interesting times. OK the last moments will suck, but most of my life will have been better than any generation before me, and better than anything that will follow.
 
Life is too short to spend your precious time trying to convince a person who wants to live in gloom and doom otherwise. Give lifting that person your best shot, but don't hang around long enough for his/her bad attitude to pull you down. Instead, surround yourself with optimistic people.

— Zig Ziglar
 
I can only say if a major event like a nuclear war or deadly pandemic takes place that wipes out most of the population I would no longer want to live on this earth. It would be a very different, post-apocalyptic world where there would be very few resources (food, electricity, means of communicating, etc.) and I have no desire to "scavenge" for things that I need. I've seen enough episodes of The Walking Dead!
 
seadoug said:
I can only say if a major event like a nuclear war or deadly pandemic takes place that wipes out most of the population I would no longer want to live on this earth. It would be a very different, post-apocalyptic world where there would be very few resources (food, electricity, means of communicating, etc.) and I have no desire to "scavenge" for things that I need. I've seen enough episodes of The Walking Dead!
Click to expand...
:) Hardship is a wonderful builder of character.
 
hollydolly said:
Ever since I was little ..my mother talked about Nuclear war .. she was sure it was coming.. (no sweet little red riding hood stories for us.. all Atom Bombs and terror)... and she would always say that if we were to have a nuclear war, ( atom bomb at the time).. she would want it to land right on her head... because the alternative would be too awful.. I agree..
Click to expand...
I can relate. My grandmother used to put me in her lap when I was a little kid and say "Him a little mansy", followed by telling me that I would go off to war and die. It was during the draft in the US, so as a teenager I grew up afraid I would be drafted and die in a war. Nice what our elders do to us, isn't it?
 
seadoug said:
I can relate. My grandmother used to put me in her lap when I was a little kid and say "Him a little mansy", followed by telling me that I would go off to war and die. It was during the draft in the US, so as a teenager I grew up afraid I would be drafted and die in a war. Nice what our elders do to us, isn't it?
Click to expand...
My God! What a horrible story. NO, it is not nice, I am sorry it happened to you. Your grandmother was a sick woman.
 
bobcat said:
Just wondering if you have put much thought into what you might do if there were a catastrophe (Nuclear winter, deadly pandemic, societal revolt)
If so, what's your plan
Click to expand...
Lived in the mountains, off grid, for six years
Deep snow, ice
High winds, tree blowdowns
Wildfires
Big animals
Renegades

You prepare, plan best you can for what might happen
Increase the odds
Nature has a way of changing those plans

Accept and use what she gives you
React to what she takes away
 
I have Bob, because I'm a "what if" person. I've thought about what if we had to evacuate and what if we had to shelter in place. I'd have to go either into the bathroom, kitchen or storage closet if there was a major hurricane or tornado. We have large windows in the bedroom and studio that are about 3' x 6' and a 6 ft glass sliding door in the living area.

I found out during Superstorm Sandy that I need a plan C. I thought I could go down to the timeshare in Atlantic City because we had no heat and electricity here and we don't have generators. But the parkway was closed and there was no way to get there. Plus AC experienced flooding as well.

Now evacuating will be more complicated because of our cat. It will be more cumbersome to tote my go bag, her in the carrier and her stuff. It also may be more difficult if she goes and hides somewhere. Hopefully we wouldn't have only 5 or 10 minutes to evacuate. A few years ago, a house about a mile and a half from us blew up. The last of the residents inside were rescued by police or firement and only had 5 minutes to get out before it exploded.
 
Last edited:
OneEyedDiva said:
I have Bob, because I'm a "what if" person. I've thought about what if we had to evacuate and what if we had to shelter in place. I'd have to go either into the bathroom, kitchen or storage closet if there was a major hurricane or tornado. We have large windows in the bedroom and studio that are about 3' x 6' and a 6 ft glass sliding door in the living area.

I found out during Superstorm Sandy that I need a plan C. I thought I could go down to the timeshare in Atlantic City because we had no heat and electricity here and we don't have generators. But the parkway was closed and there was no way to get there. Plus AC experienced flooding as well.

Now evacuating will be more complicated because of our cat. It will be more cumbersome to tote my go bag, her in the carrier and her stuff. It also may be more difficult if she goes and hides somewhere. Hopefully we wouldn't have only 5 or 10 minutes to evacuate. A few years ago, a house about a mile and a half from us blew up. The last of the residents inside were rescued by police or firement and only had 5 minutes to get out before it exploded.
Click to expand...
Interesting what you said about your plans, and how important Plan C is, @OneEyedDiva! It is good that you are thinking about these things. Having a house down the road blowing up probably was a wakeup call!
 
palides2021 said:
Interesting what you said about your plans, and how important Plan C is, @OneEyedDiva! It is good that you are thinking about these things. Having a house down the road blowing up probably was a wakeup call!
Click to expand...
Thank you Palides. It certainly solidified my belief that anything can happen, anywhere. Ya know how you see these news reports in which people say "I never expected that to happen in our neighborhood"? Another train of thought though, is that there are certain disasters that no amount of planning can adequately prepare us for. :confused:
 

You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top