A COVID Surge Overwhelming Hospitals, Raising Fears of Rationed Care

What does not make sense is the possible reasons, most of us have health issues and made though it fine for the most part, sure their choice. I've been vaccinated for pneumonia as well.

Some are losing their jobs as well over this, No one convince either way on the matter, I decided that a vaccine was better than the actual virus. So some are understanding that a bit late. No one convinced me of anything. Tired of the talking heads over this issue.

Being senior is hard, that and being with added sickness is worse as we have learned.

Wondering about the third dose we shall see...
 

The head of Jefferson County Public Health pulled the agency’s three COVID-19 vaccination vans off the road over Labor Day weekend after nurses and medical staff administering shots to the public were jeered at and harassed by passersby.​
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One driver, she said, ran over and destroyed temporary signs the clinic had put up around its vaccine tent. That same day, someone threw unidentified liquid at a public health nurse who was working a different mobile clinic stationed in front of a Jefferson County restaurant, Comstock said.​
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“Additional cars drove by screaming obscenities at vaccine staff and throwing garbage at them,” she said. “I will not put the hard-working public health staff in harm’s way.”​

Crazy bastards.
 
The local infection rate is approx. 3.28%. Hospitalization/ intensive care cases are on the rise.

The city implemented a vaccine mandate for employees that went into effect today. The police union is digging in its heels in opposition. The union reported that only 58% of the police department is vaccinated.

Schools opened today with masks and proof of vaccination required or weekly testing for eligible students and staff.

I’m hoping that a J&J booster is available by early October.

At this point my main concern is doing what is right for me.
 
Warrigal said:
Listening to the radio this morning I heard that even though Sydney is currently in lockdown and, not withstanding the rush to get people vaccinated, we will still be facing a surge in hospitalisations in mid October. Then I listened to an intensive care specialist doctor and and a practising nurse dealing with Covid cases. Staffing is going to be a serious problem, not just in the city but also in the more remote parts of the state. Finding additional nurses is going to be very difficult. It is one thing to say that beds will be made available but who will be there to look after the sick?

It is beholden to all of us to do our best to keep the infection rate to the lowest level possible. God help us all if the hospital doctors and nurses burn out and quit the profession.
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Many have. :(
 
terry123 said:
Yep its pretty bad here. We hear new stats every morning on the news. I am thankful my family and friends have got the vaccines and wear our masks.
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Florida's governor several months ago stopped reporting daily stats. No one has been able to get them. They're given out only weekly. I think our Secretary of Agriculture is suing him for them.

We have a strange political system. We have three cabinet members including the governor and all vote on various things. They're all elected. The governor and attorney general are Republicans (the governor is running for president on Trump's ticket) and the Secretary of Agriculture is a Democrat. Her department is also responsible for consumer affairs. She's currently running for governor.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
Idaho is now rationing care for everyone.
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A week or so ago the guv warned this might happen when he activated the National Guard to help out in hospitals and free up medical staff to deal with sick patients.

It's mainly in the Norther Part of the state at this time.

https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/article254048448.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/id...northern-parts-state-due-covid-19-2021-09-08/

Sept 7 (Reuters) - Idaho on Tuesday activated "crisis standards of care" to allow for healthcare rationing at hospitals in northern parts of the state due to a surge in COVID-19 patients requiring hospitalization.

The activation in the Panhandle and North Central health districts follows a severe shortage of staffing and available beds in those areas, the state's health department said in a statement.
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Unfortunately, the situation also effects patients who are in the ICU for non-Covid reasons.

At Kootenai Health — the largest hospital in northern Idaho — some patients are waiting for long periods for beds to open up in the full intensive care unit, said Dr. Robert Scoggins, the chief of staff. Inside the ICU, one critical care nurse might be supervising up to six patients with the help of two other non-critical care nurses. That's a big departure from the usual one ICU nurse for one ICU patient ratio, he said.
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On Monday, the Coeur d'Alene hospital started moving some coronavirus patients into its nearby conference center. A large classroom in the center was converted into a COVID-19 ward, with temporary dividers separating the beds. Some emergency room patients are being treated in a converted portion of the emergency room lobby, and the hospital's entire third floor has also been designated for coronavirus patients.


Urgent and elective surgeries are on hold, Scoggins said, and Kootenai Health is struggling to accept any of the high-level trauma patients that would normally be transferred from the smaller hospitals in the region.
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The demand on hospitals is likely to increase in coming weeks as case numbers continue to climb, Jeppesen said, so everyone should take steps to avoid needing any emergency care if possible by wearing seatbelts, taking medication as prescribed and reconsidering activities like riding bikes that can lead to accidents.
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Non infected citizens are warned to not do things that might require emergency care. You can't make this stuff up.
 
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Irwin said:
When they catch covid, they should have to make an appointment to get treated rather than clogging up the emergency rooms and they should be given the lowest priority when being accepted into hospitals. A vaccinated person with an ingrown toenail should be treated before unvaccinated people with covid.
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You couldn't (and shouldn't anyhow) do that here due racial disparities in vaccination rates. Black fully vaccinated rates are 20% lower than white though the vaccine is readily available in every area. Lots of distrust in the vaccine even in black friends and coworkers in health care.
 
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Irwin said:
The head of Jefferson County Public Health pulled the agency’s three COVID-19 vaccination vans off the road over Labor Day weekend after nurses and medical staff administering shots to the public were jeered at and harassed by passersby.​
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One driver, she said, ran over and destroyed temporary signs the clinic had put up around its vaccine tent. That same day, someone threw unidentified liquid at a public health nurse who was working a different mobile clinic stationed in front of a Jefferson County restaurant, Comstock said.​
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“Additional cars drove by screaming obscenities at vaccine staff and th garbage at them,” she said. “I will not put the hard-working public health staff in harm’s way.”​

Crazy bastards.
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Just Wow, So glad I'm not needing to be in the ER for other issues. This beyond choice....Flat out Stupidity.

Keep it to yourself...is all we ask.
 
StarSong said:
Although I regret my increasingly hardened position, the truth is I have less and less sympathy for people who can be vaccinated but refuse, then become seriously ill or die from Covid.
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It's also mentioned that people don't want the shot but are flooding the hospitals with care when they become ill. They seem to have faith in that. I hope we don't end up with a variant the immunizations will not work for.
 
MarciKS said:
a hospital in a neighboring county here has been struggling to get oxygen to the hospital. people need to wake up before it's too late. yes there's a chance you may still get covid after the vaccine. supposedly not as severe. that's what they were designed for. not for eradicating it. 75-80% of the deaths here are in unvaccinated folks.
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The Earth is running out of Helium too. Armageddon will now be known as Legageddon, man does not have a leg to stand on. Mankind is destroying itself at an alarming rate.
 
Our hospital around here has quit doing "elective" surgeries because all beds are full of Conav-19 patents & they still need beds for heart attacks & stroke patients that come in, along with accident people.

They have set up big heated/AC tents in the parking lot to treauge many patents. Some Dr's are giving ivermectin 30 milligrams to people coming in & they recover in 3 days.
 
Tom 86 said:
Some Dr's are giving ivermectin 30 milligrams to people coming in & they recover in 3 days.
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That's not what studies are showing ...a recent literature review I read published in this month's American Journal of Therapeutics showed studies are finding ivermectin shortens duration of covid infection by several days. Studies show promise using it as a prophylactic and in decreasing mortality rates, but it's not a quick cure "recover in 3 days" wonder drug.
 
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I don't know how a pandemic ever became a political issue, but it did.

My friends on the left live in fear. Although they are all vaccinated (some have already gotten boosters) they are wary of social interactions. They mask up wherever they go.

My friends on the right are unconcerned. They don't mask unless forced to, and, while all have been vaccinated, they cheerfully go to college football games and other crowded events.

My friends on the left blamed the orange guy for the outbreak and its spread. They pooh-poohed the vaccine until Biden took office. Then they mocked anyone who wouldn't get the vaccine as an ignorant goober. They thought Biden was doing a great job in fighting the virus, until one day they didn't. They take everything Dr. Fauci says as gospel, although to me it's clear that he's a) highly politicized and b) willing to stretch the truth when it suits him (witness his lies about the outside funding of the Wuhan lab).

As usual, I'm somewhere in the middle. It's clear the vaccine is neither as effective nor as long-lasting as once thought, although it does work. I'm skeptical of masking but I stay away from crowded places and keep my distance from people. And I do think the media overhypes the severity of the Delta variant outbreak. For example, hospitalization rates have started to go down, but there is no reporting on that.

Another thing I can't understand is wearing a mask in a restaurant. You have to take it off to eat and drink. Why not just leave it off until the meal is over? Or, if you're so concerned, skip eating in a restaurant altogether? It obviously doesn't do any good to keep putting it on and taking it off.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I don't know how a pandemic ever became a political issue, but it did.

My friends on the left live in fear. Although they are all vaccinated (some have already gotten boosters) they are wary of social interactions. They mask up wherever they go.

My friends on the right are unconcerned. They don't mask unless forced to, and, while all have been vaccinated, they cheerfully go to college football games and other crowded events.

My friends on the left blamed the orange guy for the outbreak and its spread. They pooh-poohed the vaccine until Biden took office. Then they mocked anyone who wouldn't get the vaccine as an ignorant goober. They thought Biden was doing a great job in fighting the virus, until one day they didn't. They take everything Dr. Fauci says as gospel, although to me it's clear that he's a) highly politicized and b) willing to stretch the truth when it suits him (witness his lies about the outside funding of the Wuhan lab).

As usual, I'm somewhere in the middle. It's clear the vaccine is neither as effective nor as long-lasting as once thought, although it does work. I'm skeptical of masking but I stay away from crowded places and keep my distance from people. And I do think the media overhypes the severity of the Delta variant outbreak. For example, hospitalization rates have started to go down, but there is no reporting on that.

Another thing I can't understand is wearing a mask in a restaurant. You have to take it off to eat and drink. Why not just leave it off until the meal is over? Or, if you're so concerned, skip eating in a restaurant altogether? It obviously doesn't do any good to keep putting it on and taking it off.
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It's so easy to generalize based on your experiences and media driven stereotypes. I could flip several of the statements you made in paragraphs two and three above based on people I know in real life and health dept. stats from our state.

But you are correct in saying it's politicized in that it is being used as another media driven (both US 'sides') tool to polarize.
 
AnnieA said:
It's so easy to generalize based on your experiences and media driven stereotypes. I could flip several of the statements you made in paragraphs two and three above based on people I know in real life and health dept. stats from our state.

But you are correct in saying it's politicized in that it is being used as another tool to polarize.
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Paragraphs two and three are based exclusively on my own personal experiences. What were you expecting, a Gallup poll?
 
AnnieA said:
You couldn't (and shouldn't anyhow) do that here due racial disparities in vaccination rates. Black fully vaccinated rates are 20% lower than white though the vaccine is readily available in every area. Lots of distrust in the vaccine even in black friends and coworkers in health care.
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I understand the root causes of distrust among Blacks -- there's the history and there's the current state of affairs of their treatment when they interact with the medical community. However, my thoughts are that the fact of their not getting the vaccine is not only hurting their communities, but is hurting everyone else. Probably most of the people who aren't vaccinated are that way because of disinformation; that, too, is a systemic problem. Everyone who doesn't get vaccinated has a reason and everyone should be treated the same unless they're people who are either medically incapable or Christian Scientists -- and I'm not sure about the latter.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I don't know how a pandemic ever became a political issue, but it did.

My friends on the left live in fear. Although they are all vaccinated (some have already gotten boosters) they are wary of social interactions. They mask up wherever they go.

My friends on the right are unconcerned. They don't mask unless forced to, and, while all have been vaccinated, they cheerfully go to college football games and other crowded events.

My friends on the left blamed the orange guy for the outbreak and its spread. They pooh-poohed the vaccine until Biden took office. Then they mocked anyone who wouldn't get the vaccine as an ignorant goober. They thought Biden was doing a great job in fighting the virus, until one day they didn't. They take everything Dr. Fauci says as gospel, although to me it's clear that he's a) highly politicized and b) willing to stretch the truth when it suits him (witness his lies about the outside funding of the Wuhan lab).

As usual, I'm somewhere in the middle. It's clear the vaccine is neither as effective nor as long-lasting as once thought, although it does work. I'm skeptical of masking but I stay away from crowded places and keep my distance from people. And I do think the media overhypes the severity of the Delta variant outbreak. For example, hospitalization rates have started to go down, but there is no reporting on that.

Another thing I can't understand is wearing a mask in a restaurant. You have to take it off to eat and drink. Why not just leave it off until the meal is over? Or, if you're so concerned, skip eating in a restaurant altogether? It obviously doesn't do any good to keep putting it on and taking it off.
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I agree with this. It's why I stay away from restaurants. Before the vaccine I never ate anything I hadn't cooked myself. After the vaccine I'd go to a restaurant and sit with only one other person as long as that person was vaccinated. Since Delta I'll bring cooked food in, but won't eat in a restaurant.

I'm going to a conference in New England at the end of the year.; probably just about everyone will be vaccinated it's that kind of group. If things stay as they are, I'll continue to wear a mask and will take my meals in my room.
 
Tom 86 said:
Our hospital around here has quit doing "elective" surgeries because all beds are full of Conav-19 patents & they still need beds for heart attacks & stroke patients that come in, along with accident people.
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Putting a hold on elective surgeries doesn't mean people are not suffering for that. If my gall bladder removal surgery had been delayed and considered elective, I could have still been potentially in a lot of pain until I could have received the surgery.

My understanding is (of coarse I have no real statistics, just what I have heard here and there on the news) that people taking the ivermectin are often not vaccinated. I wonder if one proven or not proven drug regarding safety is considered better over another and why.

I got my first covid shot Dec. 28 of last year so I was in the early roll out due to my job. No one I know had any significant reaction.
 
Remy said:
My understanding is (of coarse I have no real statistics, just what I have heard here and there on the news) that people taking the ivermectin are often not vaccinated.
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With studies showing that both vaccines and ivermectin lessen the occurrence and severity of infection, a good practitioner will use them both.
 
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Where I live a lot of the Doctors were kids one time that lived on big farms. So they know of drugs for animals that work for them & although not CDC or FDA approved for humin use still take them & they are fine. As one Dr. said the Pharmaceuticals places are all in the FDA's pocket to not approve certain drugs that they know works for both animals & humins.

When I was growing up we didn't have Vets. If your dog got sick we took it to our normal Dr. that went into his back room & put together different things to heal it. Same when we got sick, NO FDA or CDC back then. All we knew was what the Doc. put together in his backroom made us well. I'm 86 so I can be a good example of his concoctions back then.
 

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