A question for Vegans!

Old Salt said:
Oh, God, I wish you hadn't mentioned that, @Oris Borloff! I have been looking for the tasty, orange yolked eggs of my youth for years and can't find them anywhere.
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You might try looking further. I think eggs marketed as "pasture raised" in the U.S. may be closer to what you're looking for. It isn't the same as "free range" which typically is not outdoors on grass eating bugs, etc.
 
Old Salt said:
In my mind, and I might be wrong, Vegans were always about protesting harm to animals. I still remember the good old days when they delighted to throw paint on ladies' fur coats! Vegetarianism is about a healthier lifestyle!??
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Yes, where did that "protesting harm to animals" idea come from?
 

Old Salt said:
I have been looking for the tasty, orange yolked eggs of my youth for years and can't find them anywhere. My daughter picked up fresh farmer's eggs at the market recently and I was terribly disappointed because the yolk was the same pale yellow as the supermarket ones and the eggs didn't taste any better! I only had the satisfaction of knowing that the chicken were humanely treated (I hope!)
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My former business partner used to share her chicken's eggs, they had a very deep yellow/orange yolk, very tasty eggs.
 
My son follows Gary Francione and his Abolitionist Approach to animal rights. It's very much a political, animal loving issue rather than health issue for him as he thinks we should all feel as bad about killing a cow as killing our dog.

I remember reading "Diet for a Small Planet," when it was first published in 1971. She made a good argument for us all to give up meat as a way to save the environment, reduce climate change, and eliminate world hunger -- many good examples about how much land needed to raise a pound of hamburger vs a pound of grain.

Dr. Neal Barnard is one of many cardiologists who has been pushing a plant based vegan diet for decades, after seeing health improvements in his patients.

So there are as many reasons to be vegan as there are people: Save the environment, be kind to animals, live longer, end world hunger.

7 Plant-Based Doctors You Should Be Following — OopsVegan
 
Old Salt said:
In my mind, and I might be wrong, Vegans were always about protesting harm to animals. I still remember the good old days when they delighted to throw paint on ladies' fur coats! Vegetarianism is about a healthier lifestyle!??
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Vegans are just stricter vegetarians. Vegetarians don't eat animals, vegans don't eat animals or animal products.

Both groups may be doing it because they love animals or for their own health. My best friends went vegetarian in 1968 and never changed. She did it because she's against killing animals for food. She is not vegan, she eats lots of eggs and cheese.

The group that protested killing animals for fur by throwing paint on women in furs is PETA. PETA is primarily against cruelty to animals, particularly animal testing in laboratories. They usually are vegan or vegetarian, but that's not their main focus. This is their focus:
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The wife of my husband's friend was a strict vegan & was that way for many years. From what I understand, she didn't eat processed vegan foods, just the pure natural things. Then she started to become ill & after seeing different doctors, one finally told her if she didn't eat real food like meat protein, she was only going to get worse. Reluctantly, she added fish & chicken to her diet & her health improved. I don't know how many other vegans experience this since I don't know any.

IMO, we are omnivores. We have two eye teeth, aka canine teeth. They are there for a reason. As for me, I'll eat my pork, chicken, beef, deer, buffalo & elk. I will also eat my fair share of all types of veggies. My dairy consists of all types of cheeses, eggs & milk. We do our best to eat a balanced diet.

I heard once that bacon was the best meat to turn vegetarians back into meat eaters.
 
Lilac said:
The wife of my husband's friend was a strict vegan & was that way for many years. From what I understand, she didn't eat processed vegan foods, just the pure natural things. Then she started to become ill & after seeing different doctors, one finally told her if she didn't eat real food like meat protein, she was only going to get worse. Reluctantly, she added fish & chicken to her diet & her health improved. I don't know how many other vegans experience this since I don't know any.

IMO, we are omnivores. We have two eye teeth, aka canine teeth. They are there for a reason. As for me, I'll eat my pork, chicken, beef, deer, buffalo & elk. I will also eat my fair share of all types of veggies. My dairy consists of all types of cheeses, eggs & milk. We do our best to eat a balanced diet.

I heard once that bacon was the best meat to turn vegetarians back into meat eaters.
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Do you have any idea if your friend was eating enough calories in the first place? That's a common problem not adjusting the amount of food to get adequate calories. I really love vegetables, but if it was all I ate were greens and cruciferous veg that was cooked without added fat, I've never figured out how many pounds that would be. Also, without researching it, I don't know what nutrients I might be lacking eating just those foods. That isn't something I do anyway, watch my intake. Initially I did mostly because I was curious. I should add that I eat a lot of food everyday, but I'm at good weight for my size.

So far as doctors giving nutrition advice, many have had exactly zero hours of training in nutrition. That's fine by me, because when it came to nutrition those same doctors had a registered clinical dietician brought in. In the past 9 years I've had exposure to 3 different ones. Two concerning my health situation, and the first was the dietician consult my wife had with one because of her type 2 diabetes diagnosis. They all were helpful and answered all the questions we had.
 
Della said:
My son follows Gary Francione and his Abolitionist Approach to animal rights. It's very much a political, animal loving issue rather than health issue for him as he thinks we should all feel as bad about killing a cow as killing our dog.

I remember reading "Diet for a Small Planet," when it was first published in 1971. She made a good argument for us all to give up meat as a way to save the environment, reduce climate change, and eliminate world hunger -- many good examples about how much land needed to raise a pound of hamburger vs a pound of grain.

Dr. Neal Barnard is one of many cardiologists who has been pushing a plant based vegan diet for decades, after seeing health improvements in his patients.

So there are as many reasons to be vegan as there are people: Save the environment, be kind to animals, live longer, end world hunger.

7 Plant-Based Doctors You Should Be Following — OopsVegan
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My son and DIL are also vegans for ideological reasons.

Dr. Barnard's website: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

Its admirable mission: "The Physicians Committee is dedicated to saving and improving human and animal lives through plant-based diets and ethical and effective scientific research."
 
Della said:
Vegans are just stricter vegetarians. Vegetarians don't eat animals, vegans don't eat animals or animal products.

Both groups may be doing it because they love animals or for their own health. My best friends went vegetarian in 1968 and never changed. She did it because she's against killing animals for food. She is not vegan, she eats lots of eggs and cheese.

The group that protested killing animals for fur by throwing paint on women in furs is PETA. PETA is primarily against cruelty to animals, particularly animal testing in laboratories. They usually are vegan or vegetarian, but that's not their main focus. This is their focus:
Donate Now
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You are absolutely right about PETA! My memory let me down ... again! And thanks for the input. It helped make the difference between Vegetarians and Vegans clearer!
 
Nathan said:
Yes, where did that "protesting harm to animals" idea come from?
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I was wrong in remembering the "fur coat incidents," @Nathan, as being done by Vegans. It was PETA, however your question is a valid one. We've always been omnivores and nature itself confirms that this is the norm. There is such a thing as a food chain.

However we (or many of us) have developed a greater sensitivity when faced with the horrendous cruelty in the raising of animals in "factory" farms. There are terrible videos that really shake one up if watched on YouTube!

Trouble is, this is almost made necessary by an ever increasing world population. Old time farming just doesn't produce enough meat to meet the demand! I have been tempted many times recently to become a vegetarian, but sadly, my yearning for a good roast or steak usually defeats me.

I got a good insight into Vegan thinking in this thread but will never be able to go to such extremes as they like to practice.
 
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Lilac said:
The wife of my husband's friend was a strict vegan & was that way for many years. From what I understand, she didn't eat processed vegan foods, just the pure natural things. Then she started to become ill & after seeing different doctors, one finally told her if she didn't eat real food like meat protein, she was only going to get worse. Reluctantly, she added fish & chicken to her diet & her health improved. I don't know how many other vegans experience this since I don't know any.

IMO, we are omnivores. We have two eye teeth, aka canine teeth. They are there for a reason. As for me, I'll eat my pork, chicken, beef, deer, buffalo & elk. I will also eat my fair share of all types of veggies. My dairy consists of all types of cheeses, eggs & milk. We do our best to eat a balanced diet.

I heard once that bacon was the best meat to turn vegetarians back into meat eaters.
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I am defending my right to be an omnivore to the death, but in practice I am mostly a vegetarian, or should I say "NON MEAT EATER" since I love Pasta and sauces more than anything but eat mostly carrots when it comes to veggies. I combine my spaghetti, rigatoni, penne, macaroni, egg noodles, spaetzle with browned beans and lentils and cheese and any tasty sauce I can come up with. It doesn't help my weight any but what the heck, I have survived 87 years on food that would make any dietician shudder. Maybe good genes play a part as well!
 
old medic said:
WELL...... depending on where your eggs come from.... most commercial eggs come from hens locked up in cages, Eggs are never fertilized, so never become a fetus. Now farm raised around a rooster.... you may find feathers in your omelet.
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Really. I never realized that before. Thanks for telling me. It’s good to know. Now I don’t have to feel like I’m eating some chickens unborn baby.
 
Old Salt said:
I was wrong in remembering the "fur coat incidents," @Nathan, as being done by Vegans. It was PETA, however your question is a valid one. We've always been omnivores and nature itself confirms that this is the norm.

However we (or many of us) have developed a greater sensitivity when faced with the horrendous cruelty in the raising of animals in "factory" farms. There are terrible videos that really shake one up if watched on YouTube!

Trouble is, this is almost made necessary by an ever increasing world population. Old time farming just doesn't produce enough meat to meet the demand! I have been tempted many times recently to become a vegetarian, but sadly, my yearning for a good roast or steak usually defeats me.

I got a good insight into Vegan thinking in this thread but will never be able to go to such extremes as they like to practice.
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I'm happy being an omnivore but I eat much less red meat for health reasons. Overall I eat less meat in general due to declining quality and the increasing prices.
 
Packerjohn said:
Sounds to me like another of those darn cults that are spring up like thistles on the farm. I'm thinking of that "Queen of Canada" gal out in Saskatchewan. It makes no sense to me. Take those young folks. They don't drink coffee because coffee has caffeine and they say that caffeine is bad for you. However, they drink Coke like there is no tomorrow. Coke has caffeine. They also drink energy drinks all day. Some of those energy drinks have the same caffeine amount like 5 cups of coffee. Yap, don't make any sense.

Furthermore, I bet those cattle ranchers out in Alberta would know what to do with a vegan if they were to catch one on their property.
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I can't imagine what interest vegans would have in trespassing on their property, aren't cattle rustlers usually meat eaters?

Around here it's mainly big corn farms, but I've never heard of any corn farmers beating up any meat eaters they found hanging out in the corn rows. Maybe the meat eating cult isn't as scary as the broccoli eating cult.
 
Oris Borloff said:
Do you have any idea if your friend was eating enough calories in the first place? That's a common problem not adjusting the amount of food to get adequate calories. I really love vegetables, but if it was all I ate were greens and cruciferous veg that was cooked without added fat, I've never figured out how many pounds that would be. Also, without researching it, I don't know what nutrients I might be lacking eating just those foods. That isn't something I do anyway, watch my intake. Initially I did mostly because I was curious. I should add that I eat a lot of food everyday, but I'm at good weight for my size.

So far as doctors giving nutrition advice, many have had exactly zero hours of training in nutrition. That's fine by me, because when it came to nutrition those same doctors had a registered clinical dietician brought in. In the past 9 years I've had exposure to 3 different ones. Two concerning my health situation, and the first was the dietician consult my wife had with one because of her type 2 diabetes diagnosis. They all were helpful and answered all the questions we had.
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She had been a vegan for years & I'm not sure how much she actually ate. Whenever we had cookouts & they came, it was hard to figure out vegan stuff for her. All of our other friends are meat eaters & will eat whatever is in front of them. Her husband has always been a meat eater, so I'm not sure how they did their dinners :unsure:.
 
Nathan said:
I'm happy being an omnivore but I eat much less red meat for health reasons. Overall I eat less meat in general due to declining quality and the increasing prices.
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Have you ever thought about purchasing your meat from the farmer. That is what we do for our pork & beef. We split a cow with a friend & get a whole hog for ourselves. There are some people who get a quarter of a cow from our friends dad. As for chicken, I don't know anyone who raises them & I absolutely hate plucking feathers as a kid. But sometime in the future I might be doing that again, but this time with a machine.
 
Old Salt said:
I was wrong in remembering the "fur coat incidents," @Nathan, as being done by Vegans. It was PETA, however your question is a valid one. We've always been omnivores and nature itself confirms that this is the norm.

However we (or many of us) have developed a greater sensitivity when faced with the horrendous cruelty in the raising of animals in "factory" farms. There are terrible videos that really shake one up if watched on YouTube!

Trouble is, this is almost made necessary by an ever increasing world population. Old time farming just doesn't produce enough meat to meet the demand! I have been tempted many times recently to become a vegetarian, but sadly, my yearning for a good roast or steak usually defeats me.

I got a good insight into Vegan thinking in this thread but will never be able to go to such extremes as they like to practice.
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Exactly how I feel. If I could become vegetarian I would but I have found if I eat a balanced diet, I feel much better. I try not to think about where the food comes from.

I’m with lilac on purchasing part of a cow and freezing it. It’s far healthier meat at a much better price and tastes far better. I don’t eat a lot of meat but when I do eat it, I want good quality.
 
Lilac said:
The wife of my husband's friend was a strict vegan & was that way for many years. From what I understand, she didn't eat processed vegan foods, just the pure natural things. Then she started to become ill & after seeing different doctors, one finally told her if she didn't eat real food like meat protein, she was only going to get worse. Reluctantly, she added fish & chicken to her diet & her health improved. I don't know how many other vegans experience this since I don't know any.

IMO, we are omnivores. We have two eye teeth, aka canine teeth. They are there for a reason. As for me, I'll eat my pork, chicken, beef, deer, buffalo & elk. I will also eat my fair share of all types of veggies. My dairy consists of all types of cheeses, eggs & milk. We do our best to eat a balanced diet.

I heard once that bacon was the best meat to turn vegetarians back into meat eaters.
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I eat processed foods. I've been vegetarian over 30 years and plant based for well over half of that now. I guess those Lays potato chips keep me going. And Smart Dogs. Plenty of vegan bacon already made to buy and recipes online from making it with bread to rice paper to tempeh. It's all about the liquid smoke and flavorings I think.
 
hollydolly said:
I buy Organic eggs from the farm shop.... the yolks are orange..I love Duck eggs as well
The supermarket sells mostly free range eggs...this is where mass produced free range eggs come from...in the uk

We don't by eggs.... well very few. We use to have chickens, raise both for egg and meat. They roamed free and it was hilarious to watch them when the wife would come home. They would hear the car and come running along with the dogs to meet her getting out the car. The eggs DEFENETLY better tasting, same with the meat. When we moved We left them to the new owner, and still haven't gotten any. My sister has a flock and some ducks (Love duck eggs to) and a neighbor does too. so we get gifted eggs on a regular basis.
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Oris Borloff said:
Have you ever had turkey bacon? Being a "foodie" I had been curious about, but never enough to buy a whole package. I also couldn't figure out why it was being pushed as "healthier" because I'd looked at the info on the package, it was always for 1 piece, regular bacon usually was 2 pieces.
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I have and its OK, but wouldn't go out of my way to get it. The wife picked up some of this new sausage bacon, don't care for it at all.
 

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