Actors you don't "get"

jujube said:
Ok, I know I'm going to be branded as Unamerican and a lynch mob with flaming brands is at this minute massing for a march on my house but I never "got" John Wayne.

There, I said it. I'll take my consequences. (Barricading the doors and laying in supplies)
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You're not alone here Jujube. I never liked John Wayne either. Then several years ago I found out he was racist and misogynistic. I refuse to watch any of his movies, not that I would have anyway.
 

OneEyedDiva said:
You're not alone here Jujube. I never liked John Wayne either. Then several years ago I found out he was racist and misogynistic. I refuse to watch any of his movies, not that I would have anyway.
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It's not only that John Wayne was racist and misogynic. He also should have tortured the horses in his films to death. I've liked him as I was much younger, but don't like him anymore.
 
MarkinPhx said:
I always considered Donald Sutherland as my favorite "tin foil hat wearing" actor. He played that role so well. I like Dennis Haysbert and thought he was great on 24. That show was fun to watch at the time but it was a product of that time and hasn't aged well at all.
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I watched 24 for several seasons but it got too intense for me. It was nevertheless especially fun to watch because it was filmed locally. I like Kiefer and Donald.

Also like George Clooney and Brad Pitt - thought Ocean's 11 & 13 were very fun movies and loved Clooney in the TV series, ER. Thought Pitt was quite good in two Quentin Tarantino films, "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" and "Inglorious Basterds." (Christopher Waltz was particularly brilliant in the latter.)

@OneEyedDiva, I've heard the same about John Wayne. Was never much interested in his movies anyway, but refuse to watch him now.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
You're not alone here Jujube. I never liked John Wayne either. Then several years ago I found out he was racist and misogynistic. I refuse to watch any of his movies, not that I would have anyway.
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I thought I had read awhile back that he was also criticized for avoiding the draft during WW2. I double checked and apparently he was. I guess even John Ford got on his case about it.

https://www.military.com/history/wh... his post-war patriotism,the rest of his life.
 
MarkinPhx said:
I thought I had read awhile back that he was also criticized for avoiding the draft during WW2. I double checked and apparently he was. I guess even John Ford got on his case about it.

https://www.military.com/history/why-john-wayne-was-labeled-draft-dodger-during-world-war-ii.html#:~:text=Despite his post-war patriotism,the rest of his life.
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So the big tough guy who beat his chest about "Murica" didn't serve during WWII? Didn't know my opinion of him could drop further, but it just plummeted further.
 
StarSong said:
I watched 24 for several seasons but it got too intense for me. It was nevertheless especially fun to watch because it was filmed locally. I like Kiefer and Donald.

Also like George Clooney and Brad Pitt - thought Ocean's 11 & 13 were very fun movies and loved Clooney in the TV series, ER. Thought Pitt was quite good in two Quentin Tarantino films, "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" and "Inglorious Basterds." (Christopher Waltz was particularly brilliant in the latter.)

@OneEyedDiva, I've heard the same about John Wayne. Was never much interested in his movies anyway, but refuse to watch him now.
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I admit I liked him in those movies.

I have always liked George Clooney. I thought he was great in "Up in Air" and "Michael Clayton".
 
It seems like most all of our heroes - movie, sports, industry, politics - sooner or later get recognized for their real selves. And the media just loves a "knock em down a peg" story, for it sells! But the fact is, we are all human, and therefore have our pluses and minuses - some more than others.
 
MarkD said:
Yes I was just checking to see if anyone else had mentioned him. He has been in some very good movies and has held up his part, but the guy is a bit nuts in RL.
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Well gosh.

Maybe we need a full bio and video vignettes of them at various stages of their lives before we consider their work? Remind me to have the mechanics at the auto service department I use investigated for their religions, politics, and public comments too.

I suppose if I got strapped down with toothpicks holding my eyes open in front of MSNBC or Fox News for a few days I might be able to understand where my views of things went awry. To me these are just actors. I don't shop there for icons.
 
dilettante said:
Well gosh.

Maybe we need a full bio and video vignettes of them at various stages of their lives before we consider their work? Remind me to have the mechanics at the auto service department I use investigated for their religions, politics, and public comments too.

I suppose if I got strapped down with toothpicks holding my eyes open in front of MSNBC or Fox News for a few days I might be able to understand where my views of things went awry. To me these are just actors. I don't shop there for icons.
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I get your point . I admit that as much as I enjoy Kevin Spacey as an actor, I do have problems watching his movies now. I still think that he is one of the best actors of my generation but have problems watching movies with him in it now. I loved "House of Cards" but can't rewatch it now.
 
dilettante said:
Well gosh.

Maybe we need a full bio and video vignettes of them at various stages of their lives before we consider their work? Remind me to have the mechanics at the auto service department I use investigated for their religions, politics, and public comments too.

I suppose if I got strapped down with toothpicks holding my eyes open in front of MSNBC or Fox News for a few days I might be able to understand where my views of things went awry. To me these are just actors. I don't shop there for icons.
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Well I never said it interfered with my enjoying the movies he has been in or that anyone needed to avoid his work.

I don’t really understand your response at all or why you think it has anything to do with looking for icons. Just you being you I’m guessing and you’re entitled to that.
 
MarkinPhx said:
I get your point . I admit that as much as I enjoy Kevin Spacey as an actor, I do have problems watching his movies now. I still think that he is one of the best actors of my generation but have problems watching movies with him in it now. I loved "House of Cards" but can't rewatch it now.
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Anything I ever saw him in, he always played a creepy character. I watched a few seasons of "House of Cards" but it started to really skeeve me out long before the controversy about his personal actions.
 
OldFeller said:
James Stewart was the murderer in 1936's "After The Thin Man".

But he was more popular with audiences as a good guy.

Someone mentioned Vertigo. But he played a good guy in that as well.

Rope by Alfred Hitchcock was a very good movie thanks to James Stewart. He played a college professor in that who begins to suspect 2 former students of his may have committed murder.

Then there's Rear Window. Stewart made so many good movies it's ridiculous to downplay how important an actor he was.
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James Stewart at his best...

 
MarkinPhx said:
You have no argument from me. The only movie I thought he was OK in was The Quiet Man but I think that's just because I loved the movie so much. I understand why he won the Oscar for True Grit but I thought he was horrible in it. Hard to believe he won over Jon Voight and Dustin Hoffman but it was a sentimental award.
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The Quiet Man is one of my favorites. The cast of characters in the village add so much!! I must say honestly, I am a big John Wayne fan. Of course, I am the strange girl because I love westerns.
 
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