All Things Pagan Thread

Subject adjacent to Christianity, however, Christianity opens your eyes to the cons of paganism.
 

ohioboy said:
Have you ever heard of Pascals Wager. Read about it and give me your thoughts.
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Pascal's wager is a philosophical argument that people are essentially gambling about whether God exists. The argument was developed by 17th century French mathematician, physicist, philosopher, and theologian Blaise Pascal. Google AI
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What do you think of that point of view? Are we gambling if we do not fear Satan? How do we know if it is God punishing us or Satan tormenting us? How much did anyone know in 17th century? You don't believe psychology and physics have made huge leaps forward since then? I think our understanding has changed a lot since then. I would expect those with at least some understanding of quantum physics would have a different perspective than those who never heard of quantum physics.

What is in it for the individual is getting it right. This not just about you or me. Getting it right is about the whole world, and everyone in it and all the plants and animals and the health of our planet. Getting it right is about liberty and justice and what kind of human beings we want to be. This really matters to those educated for democracy. If we do not get it right, great harm can be done. Pagans knew well the need to work with nature and not against it.
 
The names of the days of the week, mostly Pagan in original:


Sunday -- Sun's Day. The name comes from the Sun, which was considered a deity in many pagan traditions. In Norse mythology, the sun was personified as Sol, a goddess who drove the sun’s chariot across the sky. In Roman mythology, Sol was also a god of the Sun.

Monday -- Moon's Day. Named after the Moon. In Anglo-Saxon and Norse traditions, the Moon was personified as a god or goddess, like Máni (the personification of the moon in Norse mythology). In Roman times, it was dedicated to the goddess Luna.

Tuesday -- Tiw's Day. Named after the god Tiw (or Tyr in Norse mythology), the god of war and justice. The name comes from the Old English Tiwesdæg. Tyr was associated with strength, bravery, and combat, and the Romans linked this day to Mars, their god of war.

Wednesday -- Woden's Day. Named after Woden (also called Odin in Norse mythology), the chief god in the Norse pantheon. Woden was associated with wisdom, war, and poetry. The Roman equivalent would be Mercury, who was the messenger god, but the Norse influence dominates here.

Thursday -- Thor's Day. Named after Thor, the Norse god of thunder. Thor was a protector of both gods and humans, often depicted wielding his hammer, Mjölnir, to strike down giants. In Roman tradition, this day was dedicated to Jupiter, their thunder god, who shares some attributes with Thor.

Friday -- Frigg's Day. Named after Frigg (or Frigga), the Norse goddess of love, fertility, and marriage, who was also Odin's wife. The day was linked to Venus in Roman mythology, the goddess of love and beauty. The name reflects the Norse influence, though Roman influence is also present in the association with Venus.

Saturday -- Saturn's Day. The only day of the week named after a Roman deity, Saturn, the god of agriculture, wealth, and liberation. The name comes directly from the Roman calendar and was adopted into English without a pagan influence from Norse or Celtic traditions.
 

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Mr. Ed said:
I don’t know if there is an afterlife
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:unsure: I am old enough to know, there is a lot I do not know.

I function with what seems to be a memory of a past incarnation that strongly affects my values and notion of justice, but I have no memory or thought of an afterlife period. I also do not know what to make of what appears to be a memory of a past life. Our minds can be very creative and play tricks on us.

However, what we do here and now is part of everything else and continues as long as humans walk the earth. In our lifetimes, we affect many lives and hopefully that affect is a good one, and one we regret.
 
I don’t follow any religion although I was raised as a Catholic. I now believe we are here to develop our spiritual side, to look within for answers rather than accept what is offered in religious practices. I am a nature lover but that does not make me a pagan – I would hope it makes me open to seek the divine in the beauty and wonder of nature and forward this learning to humanity.
 
Vida May said:
What do you think of that point of view? Are we gambling if we do not fear Satan? How do we know if it is God punishing us or Satan tormenting us? How much did anyone know in 17th century? You don't believe psychology and physics have made huge leaps forward since then? I think our understanding has changed a lot since then. I would expect those with at least some understanding of quantum physics would have a different perspective than those who never heard of quantum physics.

What is in it for the individual is getting it right. This not just about you or me. Getting it right is about the whole world, and everyone in it and all the plants and animals and the health of our planet. Getting it right is about liberty and justice and what kind of human beings we want to be. This really matters to those educated for democracy. If we do not get it right, great harm can be done. Pagans knew well the need to work with nature and not against it.
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Right or wrong by whose standards?
 
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Elsie said:
Subject adjacent to Christianity, however, Christianity opens your eyes to the cons of paganism.
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I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the potential cons or challenges of Paganism, if you’re open to sharing them that is.

It seems there are positives and negatives to any belief system, as well as for people who may not follow any belief system at all. Since you mentioned it without elaboration, I’m curious to know your perspective on the cons of Paganism.

I’d also be interested in understanding why you felt it was important to point that out. Are you linking your comment above to the post you made in post #66?
 
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bobcat said:
Whether it classifies as pagan or not, may be subjective, but for me, it is Ecospirituality.
The best way I could describe it is the belief that nature is more than living things. It has a soul or an essence you can immerse yourself in and experience a euphoric uplifting beyond the physical benefits. The Archetypal Psychologists call this living Earth, the Anima Mundi, which means “soul of the world”.

It is a divine type of energy that, when the mind settles down to a meditative state, you can begin to merge with this life force and experience a spiritual connection. It radiates there, and you may not fully understand it, but it is the same energy that is within you and those energies can sync up and be in unison. It is more than just perceiving energy through the senses. It is a spiritual connection.

If you've watched the movie Avatar, and you understand the special connection the Navi had with nature, you will get it. There is a sense of presence and a deep awareness that it is sacred. This was understood by the native people who lived on this planet before we defiled it. It has always been here. We have just ignored it. The Native Americans understood that when the plants and trees breathe out, we breathe in their breath. We come from life, we consume life, and we return to life.

The immersive experience of becoming one with nature is like falling in love. There is a deep, intense fulfilling emotion that wells up inside of you, and you feel a rapture that nothing manmade can ever match. It is heaven on earth.
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I believe that, wholeheartedly.

I've experienced it on a few occasions.
 
Vida May said:
What do you think of that point of view? Are we gambling if we do not fear Satan? How do we know if it is God punishing us or Satan tormenting us? How much did anyone know in 17th century? You don't believe psychology and physics have made huge leaps forward since then? I think our understanding has changed a lot since then. I would expect those with at least some understanding of quantum physics would have a different perspective than those who never heard of quantum physics.

What is in it for the individual is getting it right. This not just about you or me. Getting it right is about the whole world, and everyone in it and all the plants and animals and the health of our planet. Getting it right is about liberty and justice and what kind of human beings we want to be. This really matters to those educated for democracy. If we do not get it right, great harm can be done. Pagans knew well the need to work with nature and not against it.
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To me the evolutionary theory is nonsense. How did evolution create a human being? Construct it for me stage by stage.
 
ohioboy said:
To me the evolutionary theory is nonsense. How did evolution create a human being? Construct it for me stage by stage.
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I don't think you want information because better sources than me are readily available.

How about this? You Google for information, copy and paste the explanation of how humans evolved from apes, and then create your argument against evolution. Argue with the experts, not me. Maybe I will find your reasoning is better than science.
 
Vida May said:
What do you think of that point of view? Are we gambling if we do not fear Satan? How do we know if it is God punishing us or Satan tormenting us? How much did anyone know in 17th century? You don't believe psychology and physics have made huge leaps forward since then? I think our understanding has changed a lot since then. I would expect those with at least some understanding of quantum physics would have a different perspective than those who never heard of quantum physics.

What is in it for the individual is getting it right. This not just about you or me. Getting it right is about the whole world, and everyone in it and all the plants and animals and the health of our planet. Getting it right is about liberty and justice and what kind of humanPa beings we want to be. This really matters to those educated for democracy. If we do not get it right, great harm can be done. gans knew well the need to work with nature and not against it.
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Pagans knew well the need to work with nature and not against it.
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Are pagans efforts alone, and there is not one non pagan organization's efforts also working to keep nature healthy? Just looking back over beliefs in what was a democratic way of dealing with wrongs, and in time how learning through their consequences, productive/nonproductive--possibly even harmful, brought about common sense towards an awakening of using positive measure outcomes?
 
bobcat said:
Whether it classifies as pagan or not, may be subjective, but for me, it is Ecospirituality.
The best way I could describe it is the belief that nature is more than living things. It has a soul or an essence you can immerse yourself in and experience a euphoric uplifting beyond the physical benefits. The Archetypal Psychologists call this living Earth, the Anima Mundi, which means “soul of the world”.

It is a divine type of energy that, when the mind settles down to a meditative state, you can begin to merge with this life force and experience a spiritual connection. It radiates there, and you may not fully understand it, but it is the same energy that is within you and those energies can sync up and be in unison. It is more than just perceiving energy through the senses. It is a spiritual connection.

If you've watched the movie Avatar, and you understand the special connection the Navi had with nature, you will get it. There is a sense of presence and a deep awareness that it is sacred. This was understood by the native people who lived on this planet before we defiled it. It has always been here. We have just ignored it. The Native Americans understood that when the plants and trees breathe out, we breathe in their breath. We come from life, we consume life, and we return to life.

The immersive experience of becoming one with nature is like falling in love. There is a deep, intense fulfilling emotion that wells up inside of you, and you feel a rapture that nothing manmade can ever match. It is heaven on earth.
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I am listening to a series of CDs about consciousness and meditation that says what you have said. I am fortunate that I have always related well with the trees and river near my home, especially on a sunny day. That is my source of spiritual energy. The CDs I am listening to also unite me with another consciousness and this impacts my daily life.
 
Elsie said:
Are pagans efforts alone, and there is not one non pagan organization's efforts also working to keep nature healthy? Just looking back over beliefs in what was a democratic way of dealing with wrongs, and in time how learning through their consequences, productive/nonproductive--possibly even harmful, brought about common sense towards an awakening of using positive measure outcomes?
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I don't think I understand what you said. Native Americans are working very hard to restore nature. There are also secular organizations planting trees, cleaning up the beach, and organizations collecting money to save this habitat or animal.

Here is information about pagan organizations Google Search
 
Vida May said:
I don't think you want information because better sources than me are readily available.

How about this? You Google for information, copy and paste the explanation of how humans evolved from apes, and then create your argument against evolution. Argue with the experts, not me. Maybe I will find your reasoning is better than science.
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Then we have to circle back and ask where did apes come from? Evolutionism or Creationism?
 
I don’t believe in tradition, tradition is a repeat of actions that have no place in the present, except in memory of. Conservatism is a celebration of past rules, regulations and restrictions that seemed useful at the time. Conservatism is an effort to recreate an ideology from the past to the present. Tradition is an act that serves as a reminder of something once considered important.

Humanity is a screwed up mess and to think differently is just as screwy.
 
I don’t want to speak on behalf of anyone in particular, but it seems to me that an innocent thread started as a space to discuss things like marking special events, pagan holidays, moon cycles, rituals, spiritual connections, has been hijacked. I wonder if some are deliberately and rudely trying to steer this thread away from that, and towards their own personal non related beliefs and agendas.

Who here wants to at least attempt to try to keep focusing on what this thread was created for? Sometimes it’s worth revisiting the original post.
 
ohioboy said:
First, I knew you would say you would never commit murder, but that was not the direct question. If you were evil enough to do so, then you of course have no fear of an afterlife punishment, which to me, as you say, is pure nonsense.
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What if you are a religious person who murders anyway?
 
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