Ancient Aliens

[David777]

...They never seem to run out of rather incredible theories. During an episode I watched earlier, it was suggested that the human race did not originate on Earth, but we came from Mars. I thought that my ancestors came from Germany and ...

You seem to be relating what you think you heard probably less than accurately. Scientist have speculated the possibility that pieces of meteor and or comet collision ejecta may carry organic life between planets. The hypothesis is a mature and reasonable idea.

One way that has been considered more likely is how robust Earths extremophile life has been found to be, some forms deep miles below surfaces in solid rock for millions of years. Then there are weird creatures like tardigrades that have been found to actually survive significant periods outside our launched spacecraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

 

[oldpop]

Ancient Aliens​

I have come to believe that if we can perceive of something in our minds there is a possibility that it can exist. /JMO/ The subject of Aliens/Extraterrestrials could be a reality or not? I enjoy using it to fuel thought. I have mentioned it before but one of my favorite books on the subject is the The 12th Planet by Zecharia Sitchen. He has written a series of seven books called Earth Chronicles. The 12th planet is the first book in the series and the only one I have read so far. It includes some very interesting concepts about our existence here on planet Earth. See the link below if interested.

[ The 12th Planet ]

 

[jujube]

I know for a fact that my former boyfriend was from Uranus.

 

[Lavinia]

Does no-one read the Bible any more? There is a great deal in the Old Testament which sounds like either a very advanced civilisation or 'aliens'
It is a pity that so many professionals are not more open-minded. I still don't believe that all mankind originated in Africa. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before evidence is found to disprove the theory.
There are many books on the subject of 'aliens' and UFO's. Sadly, not all are written well, which gives the impression that the authors are all crazy. Von Daniken is rather emotional so he tends to sensationalise everything.

 

[Mike]

I read something many years ago that stated, that Civilisation
was destroyed by a Nuclear like war between tribes/clans/ races,
all centred around India, or in that general region, the old tales
are a bit rare these days and probably forgotten, but there seemed
to be support from many areas for the above story, I of course don't
remember who wrote it or what it was called.

Maybe the sunken city, Dwarka, is the real Atlantis!

Mike.

 

[Lavinia]

I read something many years ago that stated, that Civilisation
was destroyed by a Nuclear like war between tribes/clans/ races,
all centred around India, or in that general region, the old tales
are a bit rare these days and probably forgotten, but there seemed
to be support from many areas for the above story, I of course don't
remember who wrote it or what it was called.

Maybe the sunken city, Dwarka, is the real Atlantis!

Mike.

As well as Atlantis, there was another large island, in the Pacific, called the island of Mu. This is something which tends to get forgotten.

 

[oldpop]

I read something many years ago that stated, that Civilization
was destroyed by a Nuclear like war

Mike.

I have read that the Hindu Vedas mention something along those lines.

 

[Lavinia]

I have read that the Hindu Vedas mention something along those lines.

It sounds as though, some time in the past, there were two factions wanting to take control of the Earth. They ending up fighting with nuclear weapons.
Whether they were 'aliens' or not, we don't know.

 

[Fyrefox]

I’ll tune into Ancient Aliens and other paranormal shows if there’s nothing more compelling on, although I take them with a large grain of salt. I want to believe, and could die happy if the government ever admitted to having proof of alien contact. After all, a disturbing percentage of the population all too eagerly buys into conspiracy theories whole heartedly.

It’s always worthwhile to see my boy Georgio on such shows, whose hair is absolutely otherworldly…

 

[feywon]

Believe at your own peril what you see on youtube and tv about aliens today and also beware of the pseudoarceologists. No one has conclusive proof of anything. However I believe we are the product of ancient aliens. They came and they went and left their contribution on this planet Earth, US. There was no reason for them to linger, just as there is no reason for our present human race to hang about once we discover how to live on Mars. Once we are done here, we will go just like the ancient aliens, leaving only our DNA, for the next bunch who inhabit our depleted planet.

One should apply Reason to everything one sees, hears, even experiences.

You do realize, i would think, that nothing of what YOU believe actually excludes the possibility of any other past, present or future visits from aliens. And your 'move on' concept is based on the notion that we are somehow a benchmark and all sentient life will think and feel as we do just because they were curious enough about the universe to develop the technology to explore.


Curiosity is kind of essential to learning about one's environment, developing science and tech but motivations beyond curiosity might not be the same in other species. Even if we have some DNA in common--well we actually have DNA in common with every life form on earth--that doesn't mean our motivations and attitudes similar, much less identical.

 

[fuzzybuddy]

When you have as your level of proof something that "could be", that's pretty much open ended to infinity. The universe is a misfiring of a synapse in Mickey Mouse's brain- "Umm, could be". I don't think, when looking at ancient carvings, in a language you don't understand, and concluding they are interpretations of space aliens is a not proof. The is absolutely no credible evidence earth has ever been visited by space aliens.
And for all the supposed "evidence" of alien presence, I say it's witchcraft, and prove me wrong. Witchcraft?- um, could be

 

[Nathan]

The universe is a misfiring of a synapse in Mickey Mouse's brain

...I believe you're on to something there.

Does no-one read the Bible any more?

There used to be a show called the Naked Archeologist, which examined biblical stories and tries to find proof for them by exploring the Holy Land looking for archaeological evidence, personal inferences, deductions, and interviews with scholars and experts.
Very interesting, going "on location" to actually see the sights of the venue of the episode's topic being examined.

It bothered me greatly when what had been a respected documentary channel made this obvious play for ratings.

Yes, what few "intellectual" or "legitimate" channels there were, are being re-formatted with....I'm gonna say it- juvenile programming for increased corporate profits. Court TV was a quality channel, I loved their live coverage of the major court cases of the day. Then, Court TV morphed into TruTV, with the focus shifted from legitimate, serious programming to "caught on camera"(most stupidest) videos and mindless 'reality' garbage. TLC, used to be The Learning Channel, and had content pertaining to nature, science, history, current events, medicine, technology, cooking, home improvement, and other information-based topics. Not so much now, just more mass market kind of shows.

 

[fuzzybuddy]

...I believe you're on to something there.


Of course, it's just theory, now. But it does explain why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants.

 

[debodun]

It is all hypotheses. When the narrator asks a question, the follow-up is always, "Researchers say 'yes'." It's like "The Curse of Oak Island". They will never find anything because then the series would be over.

 

[Nathan]

Of course, it's just theory, now. But it does explain why Donald Duck doesn't wear pants.

Neither does Daffy Duck! Bugs Bunny doesn't wear any pants either...pretty lewd & lascivious if you ask me.

 

[Jamala]

One should apply Reason to everything one sees, hears, even experiences.

You do realize, i would think, that nothing of what YOU believe actually excludes the possibility of any other past, present or future visits from aliens. And your 'move on' concept is based on the notion that we are somehow a benchmark and all sentient life will think and feel as we do just because they were curious enough about the universe to develop the technology to explore.


Curiosity is kind of essential to learning about one's environment, developing science and tech but motivations beyond curiosity might not be the same in other species. Even if we have some DNA in common--well we actually have DNA in common with every life form on earth--that doesn't mean our motivations and attitudes similar, much less identical.

I have no idea why you are so agitated. My post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just my musings based on some fact revealed by the scientific fraternity over the years. Peace and tranquillity

 

[feywon]

I have no idea why you are so agitated. My post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. Just my musings based on some fact revealed by the scientific fraternity over the years. Peace and tranquillity

Sorry you perceived me as agitated. I am not. This is an exchange of ideas. Tho if you could tell me why you reacted to my pointing out weak spots in what you first called a belief, which is generally a more strongly held thought than a mere 'musing' it might help me communicate more clearly when talking to you in the future.

If you're one of those folks who prefers to state your opinions without anyone questioning them in any way, let me know, i'll
ignore them in the future even if it could have made for an interesting conversation.

i do feel even beliefs should have some rationale behind them and some degree of consistency. You probably haven't been around long enough observe that even within threads i often look at issues from more than one perspective. Because doing so can lead us to more rational, coherent thoughts and belief systems.

 

[Jamala]

Sorry you perceived me as agitated. I am not. This is an exchange of ideas. Tho if you could tell me why you reacted to my pointing out weak spots in what you first called a belief, which is generally a more strongly held thought than a mere 'musing' it might help me communicate more clearly when talking to you in the future.

If you're one of those folks who prefers to state your opinions without anyone questioning them in any way, let me know, i'll
ignore them in the future even if it could have made for an interesting conversation.

i do feel even beliefs should have some rationale behind them and some degree of consistency. You probably haven't been around long enough observe that even within threads i often look at issues from more than one perspective. Because doing so can lead us to more rational, coherent thoughts and belief systems.

“Sorry you perceived me as agitated. I am not. This is an exchange of ideas.”

No, it is not. In an exchange one does not address another in shouting internet language e.g. YOU in first line, second paragraph. Post #35

“Tho if you could tell me why you reacted to my pointing out weak spots in what you first called a belief, which is generally a more strongly held thought than a mere 'musing' it might help me communicate more clearly when talking to you in the future.”

There are no “weak spots” in what I called a “belief” since one is allowed to muse or ponder upon a “fact” – nothing wrong with that. Since there are 14 types of facts that exist, you will have to choose what you really mean. I do not have the time.

“If you're one of those folks who prefers to state your opinions without anyone questioning them in any way, let me know, i'll
ignore them in the future even if it could have made for an interesting conversation.”

Very uncalled for since I was not calling anyone to task. It’s all in your imagination. But perhaps, it would be better if you ignored my posts since you seem to have great difficulty understanding the essence of them.

“i do feel even beliefs should have some rationale behind them and some degree of consistency. You probably haven't been around long enough observe that even within threads i often look at issues from more than one perspective. Because doing so can lead us to more rational, coherent thoughts and belief systems.”

Regardless of what you “feel about beliefs”, this is totally unfounded. Beliefs are just beliefs. They don't need to be rationalised or logically explained unless one is presenting it as an indisputable fact. If I may point out a lot of scientific principles started off as beliefs.

You say: “One should apply Reason to everything one sees, hears, even experiences.”

Why? Considering - every existing thing is born without reason!

“If we admit that human life can be ruled by reason, then all possibility of life is destroyed.”
― leo tolstoy

Of course feywon, you have the right of reply, but as a courtesy, I must tell you I am about to go abroad, but on my return may counter reply.

 

[wcwbf]

is this the show with that GOOFY looking guy with even goofier looking hair?

 

[oldaunt]

“Sorry you perceived me as agitated. I am not. This is an exchange of ideas.”

No, it is not. In an exchange one does not address another in shouting internet language e.g. YOU in first line, second paragraph. Post #35

“Tho if you could tell me why you reacted to my pointing out weak spots in what you first called a belief, which is generally a more strongly held thought than a mere 'musing' it might help me communicate more clearly when talking to you in the future.”

There are no “weak spots” in what I called a “belief” since one is allowed to muse or ponder upon a “fact” – nothing wrong with that. Since there are 14 types of facts that exist, you will have to choose what you really mean. I do not have the time.

“If you're one of those folks who prefers to state your opinions without anyone questioning them in any way, let me know, i'll
ignore them in the future even if it could have made for an interesting conversation.”

Very uncalled for since I was not calling anyone to task. It’s all in your imagination. But perhaps, it would be better if you ignored my posts since you seem to have great difficulty understanding the essence of them.

“i do feel even beliefs should have some rationale behind them and some degree of consistency. You probably haven't been around long enough observe that even within threads i often look at issues from more than one perspective. Because doing so can lead us to more rational, coherent thoughts and belief systems.”

Regardless of what you “feel about beliefs”, this is totally unfounded. Beliefs are just beliefs. They don't need to be rationalised or logically explained unless one is presenting it as an indisputable fact. If I may point out a lot of scientific principles started off as beliefs.

You say: “One should apply Reason to everything one sees, hears, even experiences.”

Why? Considering - every existing thing is born without reason!

“If we admit that human life can be ruled by reason, then all possibility of life is destroyed.”
― leo tolstoy

Of course feywon, you have the right of reply, but as a courtesy, I must tell you I am about to go abroad, but on my return may counter reply.

OOOOO, untwist yer panties, dooood! You may get a nosebleed on that high horse.

 

[feywon]

@Jamala

Shouting is when a whole post is caps. Many people will put a single word in caps or bold for emphasis since we can't hear each other's tone or what we emphasize.

On this forum we all generally feel free to comment on what others say, without having to be personally addressed. But we also are free to ignore any comments, posts or members we choose. In over two decades online i've learned how tell with a minimum of exchanges which people it's better to choose what topics to engage them on and which ones it is best to avoid entirely for their peace of mind as well as mine.


Oh, and yes, beliefs can become scientific facts--when they are based on repeated observations & experimentation if possible. Even then, we deduce erroneous explanations and confuse cause and effect at times---often for years, generations before it becomes more clear. This is one reason most modern scientists talk in terms of theories not 'laws'. Sometimes theories aren't wrong, they're just incomplete, when we learn more we understand better.

Enjoy your trip, stay safe.

 

[Lavinia]

...I believe you're on to something there.


There used to be a show called the Naked Archeologist, which examined biblical stories and tries to find proof for them by exploring the Holy Land looking for archaeological evidence, personal inferences, deductions, and interviews with scholars and experts.
Very interesting, going "on location" to actually see the sights of the venue of the episode's topic being examined.

Yes, what few "intellectual" or "legitimate" channels there were, are being re-formatted with....I'm gonna say it- juvenile programming for increased corporate profits. Court TV was a quality channel, I loved their live coverage of the major court cases of the day. Then, Court TV morphed into TruTV, with the focus shifted from legitimate, serious programming to "caught on camera"(most stupidest) videos and mindless 'reality' garbage. TLC, used to be The Learning Channel, and had content pertaining to nature, science, history, current events, medicine, technology, cooking, home improvement, and other information-based topics. Not so much now, just more mass market kind of shows.

Does it reflect their audience? I presume they are able to monitor viewing figures, so they know whether they are attracting viewers or not. Makers of tv programmes try to give the public what they want, so do we accept that most of the population are empty-headed morons? The newspapers certainly seem to think so.....giving more coverage to celebs than world events.

 

[Nathan]

Does it reflect their audience? I presume they are able to monitor viewing figures, so they know whether they are attracting viewers or not. Makers of tv programmes try to give the public what they want, so do we accept that most of the population are empty-headed morons? The newspapers certainly seem to think so.....giving more coverage to celebs than world events.

Sadly, the empty headed moron entertainment trend is becoming the new normal.

I just recalled a thought that used to come to mind when considering the sorry state of media programming:
"If you feed pigs slop they will gobble that up and love it"
"If you feed pigs quality corn feed, they will gobble that up and be healthier".