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TV program, not a video of two tigers attacking elephant. A rare occurrence, cannot locate it on net.
Elephants are not invulnerable from carnivorous groups (lion pride- when extremely hungry (starving?) will attack elephants
Also seeking very old video on TV program 1950's "You Asked For It" of maiden kissing a cobra in Indo- China (?) to obtain fertility for crops the coming year.
Snake charmer village in India
Cultures behavior of Humans that share habitat with animals.
Elephants are not invulnerable from carnivorous groups (lion pride- when extremely hungry (starving?) will attack elephants
Also seeking very old video on TV program 1950's "You Asked For It" of maiden kissing a cobra in Indo- China (?) to obtain fertility for crops the coming year.
Snake charmer village in India
Cultures behavior of Humans that share habitat with animals.
National Geo documentary of "Eternal Enemies" one hour or so in length
I've always though lions were the apex predator in Africa, and they are, however hyenas compete for prey.
Hyena packs, more numerous than lion prides will banish a lion or lions in confrontations-didn't know that.
Hyena packs will confront lion eating their prey and take over the dead omnivore; hyena's are a female dominated group, where as lions are dominated by males.
The program alludes that this 'Eternal War' duration may become a genetic trait. They did not state it as a factual genetic coded behavior,
but no one knows how long this war has been going on.
I've always though lions were the apex predator in Africa, and they are, however hyenas compete for prey.
Hyena packs, more numerous than lion prides will banish a lion or lions in confrontations-didn't know that.
Hyena packs will confront lion eating their prey and take over the dead omnivore; hyena's are a female dominated group, where as lions are dominated by males.
The program alludes that this 'Eternal War' duration may become a genetic trait. They did not state it as a factual genetic coded behavior,
but no one knows how long this war has been going on.
Lions will take on almost any animal. It’s like animal=meat=food. They avoid Hippos and Crocs for obvious reasons, although they have occasionally taken on a croc and if they come upon a dead Hippo, it’s dinner time. I have seen animal shows on TV also and I once saw a giraffe kick a lion in the face and break its jaw. This is deadly to the Lion. No jaw, they can’t even drink, let alone eat.
Elephants are social. They live in families mostly and Grandma or the oldest aunt is the Matriarch. The babies are always protected. They travel with their mother and both are allowed to travel in the center of the herd for protection. I did see a show where mom and baby were separated and both came upon a pride of Lions. This was a mistake for the Elephants as the Lions did kill the baby.
The Lions biggest threat usually comes from the Hyenas. If a few a Lions are devouring a carcass of another animal and a clan of Hyenas come upon them, they will steal their food. However, if these are mature adult male Lions, they will normally NOT back down. Hyenas steal food from many of the big cats, including my favorite, the Cheetah.
As for snakes, I watched a show called “Snake City.” It’s hosted by a couple; Simon and Susie who are from England. Those are their nicknames. I can’t spell their real names. Anyway, their job is to extract poisonous snakes from villages and the huts, homes or whatever in these villages. They do charge fir their services. On one show, Simon told a story about a man and his son were walking down a road somewhere in Africa. As they were walking, they came upon a dead Black Mamba in the road. This is one of the deadliest snakes in the world. If a full adult human is bitten by this snake, they have about 20 minutes to get help before death. So, here this boy, about 12 y/o, runs up to the dead snake. He picked it up and before his dad could yell at him to drop it, the boy stroked the snake’s one fang, which even though dead, was able to inject venom into the boy. Luckily, they were able to get the boy help in time, but they had to use several injections of anti-venom to save him.
When Simon and Susie catch a poisonous snake, whether it be a Cobra, Black Mamba or whatever, they milk it for its venom and sell it to one if the labs to make the anti-venom. After the snakes have been milked, they are released back into nature, far from human inhabitation.
Elephants are social. They live in families mostly and Grandma or the oldest aunt is the Matriarch. The babies are always protected. They travel with their mother and both are allowed to travel in the center of the herd for protection. I did see a show where mom and baby were separated and both came upon a pride of Lions. This was a mistake for the Elephants as the Lions did kill the baby.
The Lions biggest threat usually comes from the Hyenas. If a few a Lions are devouring a carcass of another animal and a clan of Hyenas come upon them, they will steal their food. However, if these are mature adult male Lions, they will normally NOT back down. Hyenas steal food from many of the big cats, including my favorite, the Cheetah.
As for snakes, I watched a show called “Snake City.” It’s hosted by a couple; Simon and Susie who are from England. Those are their nicknames. I can’t spell their real names. Anyway, their job is to extract poisonous snakes from villages and the huts, homes or whatever in these villages. They do charge fir their services. On one show, Simon told a story about a man and his son were walking down a road somewhere in Africa. As they were walking, they came upon a dead Black Mamba in the road. This is one of the deadliest snakes in the world. If a full adult human is bitten by this snake, they have about 20 minutes to get help before death. So, here this boy, about 12 y/o, runs up to the dead snake. He picked it up and before his dad could yell at him to drop it, the boy stroked the snake’s one fang, which even though dead, was able to inject venom into the boy. Luckily, they were able to get the boy help in time, but they had to use several injections of anti-venom to save him.
When Simon and Susie catch a poisonous snake, whether it be a Cobra, Black Mamba or whatever, they milk it for its venom and sell it to one if the labs to make the anti-venom. After the snakes have been milked, they are released back into nature, far from human inhabitation.
I should have mentioned in the part about the elephants that the females (cows) and the males (bulls) travel separately, unless it's that time of the year when the cows go into estrus. The males stay with the females, or their Mommy until they are about 10-15 y/o.
The post above #6 is not the clip I viewed in the 50's; however, it is the same topic.
Read the reason why this lady is kissing a cobra. These people live with snakes, know the danger they pose. It is a old video, still scares me.
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Snake City, yes indeed watch it on a semi-regular basis, had to stop-makes my nerves jangle. I'm from rattlesnake country, 'do not mess with snake
kill it.'
Same with other videos of carnivores killing prey. "Run little antelope, run."
On the "Eternal Enemies" near a group of hyenas are giving the lions a hard time. A male lion burst onto the scene. He has bee
Watching lion prides kill prey, find it unpleasant to watch,
20-30 years could watch such with no difficulty
Age has altered my prospective, I guess that's the reason.
Have a story on rattlesnakes, old men have a lot of stories: I remember old men and their stories form my youth, they took forever to get to the point; as do I -now.
Read the reason why this lady is kissing a cobra. These people live with snakes, know the danger they pose. It is a old video, still scares me.
911:
Snake City, yes indeed watch it on a semi-regular basis, had to stop-makes my nerves jangle. I'm from rattlesnake country, 'do not mess with snake
kill it.'
Same with other videos of carnivores killing prey. "Run little antelope, run."
On the "Eternal Enemies" near a group of hyenas are giving the lions a hard time. A male lion burst onto the scene. He has bee
Watching lion prides kill prey, find it unpleasant to watch,
20-30 years could watch such with no difficulty
Age has altered my prospective, I guess that's the reason.
Have a story on rattlesnakes, old men have a lot of stories: I remember old men and their stories form my youth, they took forever to get to the point; as do I -now.
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I wouldn’t kill any animal or reptile, unless I’m in their sights. Don’t hunt anymore because I don’t eat the meat anymore. Yeah, I can’t think of any snake stories, except when I was maybe 13 or so and fishing down by one of the rather large creeks we have here. On the way back up over the bank, I felt something crawling around on my foot. When I looked down, there was a pile of little baby garter snakes on my foot. I stood there and watched, but never saw the Mama. According to Google, they bear their young live, not eggs and as many as 50 at once.
Good to know if I should ever run into a Herpetologist. It will give us something to talk about.
Good to know if I should ever run into a Herpetologist. It will give us something to talk about.
Nothing like watching a Cheetah take down a Thompson Gazelle. Man, those cats can really run at 60-65 mph. I don’t like seeing them take down the Fawns. What really makes me like the Cheetah is that they usually will not attack a human. There are some who keep them as pets, which IMO, is not right. If I would get a Cheetah just after it was weaned, I could probably fingerprint it and teach it to be tame.
RATTLESNAKES
2011, there was a program regarding rattlesnake chasers in Tx-Oklahoma.
It’s a way to make a buck, but some folks obviously need to be ‘put away’.
There are 4 groups of men, when not slobbering, pissing themselves, or playing with poo, hunt rattlesnakes. A clash or who was the best rattlesnake chaser resulted in a display of extremely crazed behavior.
I cannot locate was the video I seek: A man gets into a casket; his peers gently placed a few dozen rattlesnakes into the coffin.
The coffin was in a hearse, or slide into a hearse (I forget)
and the lid was closed, the hearse was then driven around the courthouse square.
His peers removed the rattlesnakes; our hero rose up, acknowledging applause?
This may have been the same man or was a response to who was the champion rattlesnake chaser.
Man sets record with rattlesnake bath
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2011, there was a program regarding rattlesnake chasers in Tx-Oklahoma.
It’s a way to make a buck, but some folks obviously need to be ‘put away’.
There are 4 groups of men, when not slobbering, pissing themselves, or playing with poo, hunt rattlesnakes. A clash or who was the best rattlesnake chaser resulted in a display of extremely crazed behavior.
I cannot locate was the video I seek: A man gets into a casket; his peers gently placed a few dozen rattlesnakes into the coffin.
The coffin was in a hearse, or slide into a hearse (I forget)
and the lid was closed, the hearse was then driven around the courthouse square.
His peers removed the rattlesnakes; our hero rose up, acknowledging applause?
This may have been the same man or was a response to who was the champion rattlesnake chaser.
Man sets record with rattlesnake bath
64,170 views
•Mar 2,
(URL has taken week off this week, which is common with this ancient pc)
There is no shortage of idiots. She reminded me of the late Steve Irwin - who also annoyed animals for entertainment.
The Cobra seemed to know how stupid the woman was & probably felt sorry for her; that's why she survived.
And, just a FYI: The King Cobra is not the biggest snake; it is the biggest venomous snake. The longest snake is the Reticulated Python & the largest (heaviest) snake is the Green Anaconda. Both are non venomous.
Win123:
Steve Irwin's spouse had her own animal program for awhile, after Steve's death, didn't get a lot
of viewers, not renewed.
Now, their two children are in teens, they and Mrs. Irwin have a semi-regular
animal show. They lack the flair that Steve had
Steve Irwin's spouse had her own animal program for awhile, after Steve's death, didn't get a lot
of viewers, not renewed.
Now, their two children are in teens, they and Mrs. Irwin have a semi-regular
animal show. They lack the flair that Steve had
Jerry, this 1992 National Geographic documentary on lions v. hyenas is the most moving, enthralling piece about animals that I have ever seen. It has great personal meaning for me. I haven't seen it in 27 years, but did view it several times back then. I highly recommend it, if that means anything!
You must watch it on youtube and the link is provided.
You must watch it on youtube and the link is provided.
Pep:
Yes, thanks for the video, the behaviors practiced by these two groups is as
complex as ours. Their rules, their hierarchy, their place in their 'society of prides,' are factors we do not normally attribute to 'critters.'
Thanks for the post, either I'm woefully inadequate on this infernal machine, or it is old and cranky as the key pounder; I though I had posted it-didn't..
(If I do a word document totally unrelated to senior site, then later post something on senor's it will grab a snippet from the word document and post it, peculiar!
Elephants and great apes interest me
Human critters are the most difficult to understand. Yet, we are all 'experts'-Ha!
Yes, thanks for the video, the behaviors practiced by these two groups is as
complex as ours. Their rules, their hierarchy, their place in their 'society of prides,' are factors we do not normally attribute to 'critters.'
Thanks for the post, either I'm woefully inadequate on this infernal machine, or it is old and cranky as the key pounder; I though I had posted it-didn't..
(If I do a word document totally unrelated to senior site, then later post something on senor's it will grab a snippet from the word document and post it, peculiar!
Elephants and great apes interest me
Human critters are the most difficult to understand. Yet, we are all 'experts'-Ha!
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Hyenas will steal food from lions, unless the males or the entire pride is involved. I have seen lions kill the Hyenas just as I have also seen Hyenas kill lion cubs.
Hyenas normally fight with their pack. If a lion’s pride takes on a pack of hyenas, the males will go after the Matriarch. Once the Matriarch is killed, this brings about confusion to the remainder of the pack. That’s when the Hyenas will capitulate and walk away.
The other foe for lions are the Cape Buffalo. The buffalo will kill any lion cub they can. Lions prefer Buffalo because at about a 1000 pounds, give or take, 1 Buffalo will feed the pride for a few weeks. But, buffalos do not go down easy. Buffalos will come to the aid of another buffalo if they come under attack. If the buffalo loses the battle and goes down, the other buffalos may walk away.
The other issue for lions with the buffalo is their horns. Buffalo will attempt to gore their enemy.
Hyenas normally fight with their pack. If a lion’s pride takes on a pack of hyenas, the males will go after the Matriarch. Once the Matriarch is killed, this brings about confusion to the remainder of the pack. That’s when the Hyenas will capitulate and walk away.
The other foe for lions are the Cape Buffalo. The buffalo will kill any lion cub they can. Lions prefer Buffalo because at about a 1000 pounds, give or take, 1 Buffalo will feed the pride for a few weeks. But, buffalos do not go down easy. Buffalos will come to the aid of another buffalo if they come under attack. If the buffalo loses the battle and goes down, the other buffalos may walk away.
The other issue for lions with the buffalo is their horns. Buffalo will attempt to gore their enemy.
Jerry.....
The largest of the Gorillas are classed as Silverbacks. The male Silverback is immensely strong. The head Gorilla is the protector of the Troop.
He’s not to be messed with.
Apes are the closest animal to humans. Orangutans are especially intelligent. So are chimpanzees. Apes (primates) are mostly intelligent. Gorillas and all apes live in Troops. They are social and have a class type structure. Males fight for dominance and breeding rights.
The largest of the Gorillas are classed as Silverbacks. The male Silverback is immensely strong. The head Gorilla is the protector of the Troop.
He’s not to be messed with.
I wanted to mention another interesting fact about Cheetahs that I learned a long time ago. When the Cheetah is into a full all out sprint, no 2 paws touch the ground at the same time.
Also, after a Cheetah chases down his/her prey, like a Thompson Gazelle, and after they make the kill, it will take the Cheetah almost an hour before they will be able to consume their meal. First, the Cheetah must cool down and then allow their heart to return to a normal beat and rhythm. Because of this time lapse, this allows predators to sneak in and steal the Cheetah’s kill. This happens about 50% of the time.
Hyenas, Africa’s number 1 meal thief, can smell meat almost 2 miles away. Also, when a kill is made, buzzards will begin to fly overhead, giving away location of a kill. This is how the Hyenas and Jackals will find a kill.
Elephants will eat about 3-400 pounds of food per day, like leaves. How do elephants get so big just eating salads? They will also drink about 30-50 gallons of water per day.
Also, after a Cheetah chases down his/her prey, like a Thompson Gazelle, and after they make the kill, it will take the Cheetah almost an hour before they will be able to consume their meal. First, the Cheetah must cool down and then allow their heart to return to a normal beat and rhythm. Because of this time lapse, this allows predators to sneak in and steal the Cheetah’s kill. This happens about 50% of the time.
Hyenas, Africa’s number 1 meal thief, can smell meat almost 2 miles away. Also, when a kill is made, buzzards will begin to fly overhead, giving away location of a kill. This is how the Hyenas and Jackals will find a kill.
Elephants will eat about 3-400 pounds of food per day, like leaves. How do elephants get so big just eating salads? They will also drink about 30-50 gallons of water per day.
Steve Irwin didn't have "flair;" just utter stupidity. Dangling his baby daughter in front of a hungry 20-foot crocodile while holding a chicken in his other hand is not flair; it's risking his child's life for entertainment. That's why I think that Sting Ray did his kids a big favor. My first thought upon hearing about his death was, "Now his kids will have a chance at life." Watch this clip & tell me what part of it is "flair."
I always liked to watch Steve because he always seemed so excited while looking for the animals and reptiles. After years of watching him and then having his life taken, I told my wife that Steve was his own worse enemy. IMO, he was a real risk taker. Who tries to bring a Sting Ray aboard their boat?
I never saw that video before. Was that filmed here in the U.S.? If it was, he probably should have been arrested for child endangerment. I’m sure that he did it for the shock value, but with wild animals, things can go wrong in a hurry.
I never saw that video before. Was that filmed here in the U.S.? If it was, he probably should have been arrested for child endangerment. I’m sure that he did it for the shock value, but with wild animals, things can go wrong in a hurry.
I don't know where Mr. Stupid Irwin put on that show, but I also wondered why he wasn't charged with child endangerment. He also should have been charged with animal cruelty for the many times he annoyed & angered animals for drama.
Just as the other nutcase - Michael Jackson, his kids are much better off without him.
Well, yea, I thing old steve had a flair about him.
Anyone that goes out into the rural and grabs deadly snakes by their tail has
a 'flair.' (Yes, it was the cool of the morning, when snakes were lethargic, sluggish; however, it was something I would never do.)
Plus his enthusiastic behavior, whether he was 'grabbing' deadly snakes
or Koala babies. He was an adventurer.
I had not viewed the video of him with infant and crocs, very poor judgment;
but I would still be viewing his episodes were he still alive.
Anyone that goes out into the rural and grabs deadly snakes by their tail has
a 'flair.' (Yes, it was the cool of the morning, when snakes were lethargic, sluggish; however, it was something I would never do.)
Plus his enthusiastic behavior, whether he was 'grabbing' deadly snakes
or Koala babies. He was an adventurer.
I had not viewed the video of him with infant and crocs, very poor judgment;
but I would still be viewing his episodes were he still alive.
I used to wonder why the big cats in Africa, lions, leopards and cheetahs never got along with one another. It was maybe 10 years ago I was watching a show on NatGeo Wild that the narrator made the comment that none of the big cats got along, only because they considered each other as competition for food. If a lion killed a cheetah, they felt they lowered the odds of getting a better meal.
There are several carnivores in Africa, all seeking a good meal, mostly by killing another animal. The big cats, wild dogs, hyenas and crocs are all after a good kill. Gazelles, Impalas, Wildebeest, Cape Buffalo and Gnus are just some of the animals that must run daily to survive.
Another narrative that kind of struck me as being a little ironic. When a lion makes a kill, they have no problem of killing an animal for food by disemboweling them, but lions will generally not eat intestines and other body parts considered as the innards. Those parts are left for the jackals, buzzards and other animals that are considered to be scavengers.
I mentioned above that Elephants gain weight from eating vegetation, but so do Gorillas. Gorillas will also eat berries and in some cases, ants or termites. I have seen pictures of huge termite mounds. Some were as tall as 4 feet and contained thousands of termites. The mountain Gorillas living in the Congo region are the larger breed. The huge silverbacks will weigh about 400 pounds in the wild.
There are several carnivores in Africa, all seeking a good meal, mostly by killing another animal. The big cats, wild dogs, hyenas and crocs are all after a good kill. Gazelles, Impalas, Wildebeest, Cape Buffalo and Gnus are just some of the animals that must run daily to survive.
Another narrative that kind of struck me as being a little ironic. When a lion makes a kill, they have no problem of killing an animal for food by disemboweling them, but lions will generally not eat intestines and other body parts considered as the innards. Those parts are left for the jackals, buzzards and other animals that are considered to be scavengers.
I mentioned above that Elephants gain weight from eating vegetation, but so do Gorillas. Gorillas will also eat berries and in some cases, ants or termites. I have seen pictures of huge termite mounds. Some were as tall as 4 feet and contained thousands of termites. The mountain Gorillas living in the Congo region are the larger breed. The huge silverbacks will weigh about 400 pounds in the wild.
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I'm getting emotional in my old age. I have a hard time watching some of those animal TV programs. They will show some cute furry animal, as he is being born. You follow him as he grows up and starts a family of his own. Then something comes along, rips his head off and eats him. Yes, that's true life in the animal world, but as I get older, I prefer the Disney version.