Anyone else prone to Depression and Anxiety

Nathan, would you ever consider Medical Marijuana for your PTSD or is that not an option? I've read that it is pretty effective. If you are not having issues, then I guess you don't need it. I'm glad you are feeling well these days!
 

Ok, now this will sound strange to you all, I suffer from depression via proxy.
My eldest son suffers from it, and when he has a bout of it, I can feel it as if it is happening to me.
That child can drop me to my knees in a complete mess no matter how far away he is.
No, it doesn't sound strange at all. My mother had bouts of severe depression, and since I took care of her for 21 years after my father passed away it affected me as well.
 
I'm so sorry, Flaneuse. It is indeed a difficult illness to overcome. All you can do is continue to encourage her. You are a saint.
A saint? Not at all. It's just what you do when someone is hurting. But if the therapy doesn't work (or more accurately, if she won't do the work that is necessary for therapy to be successful, which is what I fear may happen) I may have to cut her loose in order to save myself. Not a happy choice.
 

It's so important to have the right meds for you. It took awhile before hitting on the proper combination, in my case. Some, such as Zoloft, made me feel like a zombie. There was another (can't recall the name) that actually made me feel suicidal.
Agreed. Effexor makes me extremely angry, I just yelled at people the two times I was on it. After taking it the first time, I didn't realize it was the drug, so years later I tried it again. When the same thing happened I knew that stuff ain't for me.
 
Agreed. Effexor makes me extremely angry, I just yelled at people the two times I was on it. After taking it the first time, I didn't realize it was the drug, so years later I tried it again. When the same thing happened I knew that stuff ain't for me.
Same here--I think it was Effexor, name sounds familiar--when I went back to see the doc & he asked me how I did on it, I said,"If I'd had a gun, I would've shot somebody while I was taking that stuff!"
 
Same here--I think it was Effexor, name sounds familiar--when I went back to see the doc & he asked me how I did on it, I said,"If I'd had a gun, I would've shot somebody while I was taking that stuff!"
It's like really out-of-control anger, not without basis, but was way overboard. I was on it when my grandson was born 3.5 years ago. Luckily, my son privately told me I'm not acting like myself and he was worried I would cause a rift with him. That's when I put 2&2 together.
 
Lots of women take that:
The estrogen-replacement drug Premarin, prescribed to menopausal women, is made from horse urine; in fact, the drug's name is short for PREgnant MARes' urINe. About 750,000 mares are impregnated each year for the sole purpose of collecting their estrogen-rich urine.
I think the process of manufacturing Premarin makes the mares happier than the women who take it.
 
After having worked in a job where we had to document all the side effects of drugs in patients in clinical trials, I vowed to myself to minimize taking medications as much as I can. Fast forward to thirty years later. I have never been on a drug for depression and don't plan to use any. No matter if I am depressed. I don't mind if I'm feeling sad sometimes. That's when I become the most creative. I don't mind if I am not always smiling or laughing because that's the real me, not because I am taking a drug to look and act more "normal." Anything that messes with the mind is taboo for me. That's why I would never drink alcohol or take drugs. But everyone is different and I respect that.
 
@palides2021 I second Pepper's comment about depression not being about feeling sad sometimes. It's not about not always laughing or smiling. It is like being in the bottom of a deep black hole and being unable to stop digging, and having the dirt you fling with your shovel at the bottom of that black hole falling back on top of you. In many cases, drugs can help get you out of the hole, though sometimes not, as in my sister's case. You don't know how fortunate you are never to have suffered from depression or to have known someone who suffers from it. Because it is indeed suffering unlike any other.
 
i don't know how i missed this thread. Will try to respond tomorrow morning. If my plans don't get derailed like this morning. i have battled depression since age 11. But i have to get off my desktop right now and what i have to say is too much to type on my Kindle.

Just know all who do that it expresses differently in different people and so different remedies are needed for different folks. But we are not alone, and the while it can be debilitating at times, almost immobilizing there are ways of coping and getting on with life. But what works for one person might not for someone else.

Please know i empathize with all who deal with depression. Anxiety is another, different issue --for me it is a rare usually very temporary feeling in response to unsettling news/circumstances. Once i go thru the checklist of whether there's any action i can take beyond changing my mindset and take any action i can to resolve whatever or accept i can't impact it---the anxiety goes away. i could count on one hand the number of times in the latter half of my life anxiety disrupted my sleep as it did when i was younger (in teens and 20s i was chronic insomniac from it.
 
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@palides2021 I second Pepper's comment about depression not being about feeling sad sometimes. It's not about not always laughing or smiling. It is like being in the bottom of a deep black hole and being unable to stop digging, and having the dirt you fling with your shovel at the bottom of that black hole falling back on top of you. In many cases, drugs can help get you out of the hole, though sometimes not, as in my sister's case. You don't know how fortunate you are never to have suffered from depression or to have known someone who suffers from it. Because it is indeed suffering unlike any other.
Thank you for the clarification! I probably have suffered bouts of it but not to the degree you are talking about. :)
 
Depression is not feeling sad sometimes. It's not about smiling or laughing @palides2021. Actual depression is debilitating. It's not a sometimes thing. It's an always thing and I'm happy for you that you have never suffered it's effects.
Thank you for your comments. I'm beginning to see what it's all about. I never really took it seriously until now.
 
i've been trying to figure out where to begin.
For most of us if our Mental Health Issues (Depression, Anxiety, or others)) began when we were under 15-16--in those times unless you came from an upper middle class or wealthy family few people even considered that a child might have a serious mental health issue. If we expressed ourselves often parents and other elders invalidated our feelings. Though we Boomers were pretty much the first generation where most people realized children weren't just small adults and that how we were raised, what we experienced would shape our lives, in both positive and negative ways.

To be fair it would have been hard for anyone to spot my issues because
1) very much hid feelings from Mom because of our unbalanced relationship--from earliest memory i felt i had to protect her emotionally.
2) i had always been a 'loner', happy with my own company. Had to be pushed to socialize till after puberty hit. But even then i approached it different than most. So my being off by myself, reading/writing, was not a 'red flag'. One maternal Aunt broached the subject to Mom once, but Mom dismissed it, could not have afforded therapy anyway.

i have to agree that Depression is often more about being apathetic toward the world, including things that 'normally' bring a person satisfaction or joy. Sometimes can be immobilizing. For most that manifests as sleeping more, doing only the most necessary of tasks to live--but it's like you're sleepwalking thru those waking hours. The fall i was 19 i was struggling mightily with it, sometimes i felt on the brink of going catatonic. i would sit in a chair--and then become 'afraid' to get up, because nothing beyond what i was touching at the moment seemed 'real' to me. Took an act of will to press a foot to the floor (i was short even then and many chairs made for taller people--i often sat lotus position to avoid the lack of support for legs) and then say to myself "i can feel the floor, it's connected to the walls, windows, doors i can get up and move.

What gave me the will to fight the immobilization? The image of one of my older sisters in VA Mental ward, at the time i was still claustrophobic most of those rooms way too small. i'd argue with myself that if i 'let go' of reality i probably wouldn't care about any of that but some instinct pushed me to re-engage.

In those days they were still sorting proper diagnosis out--the depressive stage of Bi-Polar order often gotten mistaken for depression itself. And even if it's a chemical issue--the thing about psychotropic drugs---accurate diagnosis is crucial. The wrong med can do more harm than good. So i was very reluctant to use medications myself. (Especially since some instinct told me there was some problem with how my schizophrenic sister had been medicated--it would be nearly 50 yrs before my instinct was validated but that's another topic really). i worked at applying things i learned from my spiritual and philosophical studies. i bumbled my way thru meditation techniques learned from books. It helped--staying in the now as much as possible (you have to give thought and energy to how you pay your bills), looking for things that sparked hope and joy, doing for others, being there for them in their need.

Because it might be difficult for others, trigger them, i won't go into my suicidal ideations and actions (both overt and covert). A lot of people have no clue how many poor choices, how much bad judgement is really hidden depression, or how many 1 car accidents or freak accidental deaths of other kinds are the result of someone flirting with death.

In time, after my NDE, after having my sons i got a better handle on it. i learned to formally meditate via the Silva Method when i was 33. For several years i belonged to a group of Silva Graduates who met weekly to practice what we learned--that is a topic too). But what i learned about myself served me well. When i was so stressed from 3rd divorce in 1999 i was having trouble getting to meditative state, i went to GP and said--look i need help (without getting blotto drunk) sleeping properly for a night or two. She was surprised i wouldn't take a prescription for 30 sleeping pills. She agreed to make it just 5 Ambien (before all the horror stories about it--tho i had no issues). i used 2 got enough restorative sleep to meditate and got myself back on track dealing in healthy ways.

The internet has been a huge help for me because one can seek out 'Good News', and i need that to balance all the negative input we get daily. i have had talk therapy briefly a couple of times. It was helpful. One of the reasons i retired to a rural setting is because for me Nature is always the best medicine---here i have only to step outside or just look out my window to see things that lift my spirits. My neighbors are helpful but not intrusive. i have a BA in Psychology, my only still living sister has a Master's in it. She pushed me to go for the degree because i read so much psychology on my own that i could discuss it with her knowledgably before i ever took a course. It has been helpful. i try to stay informed about new trends and shifting paradigms in the field.

i do want to be clear--i am not anti-medication, i know some issues and some individuals absolutely need it. But it was not the best course for me. i just feel that each person needs and has a right to make their own choices about it. The worst difficulties of my life came in situations where i shushed my instincts--gave somebody or thing the benefit of doubt when i should have listened to my higher self! By the time i was in situation where some were suggesting medicating me i knew that very well and refused, made my own path. But again, that's me, everyone needs to pick/make their path.
 
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Depression is debilitating. It's feeling constantly suicidal. At least, that's how it was for me. I wish I'd recognized it as such, long before I did. Many people never do, or they are in denial.
True, and even when the person realizes, even today too many people say--'Snap out of it' or other inane things. i was suicidal for 15 yrs. Didn't go away immediately or entirely after the 'successful' attempt that resulted in my NDE but something in me shifted and i could resist. Once i had my kids--out of the question--i would not put that burden on them, or set that example. My 2nd DH's father killed himself. Gun at home, two of his teenage children found him including my DH who was eldest and protective of the younger ones. They all bore wounds from that. Tho the sister, with whom i was friends first thru whom i met him managed to heal.
 
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True, and even the person realizes, even today too many people say--'Snap out of it' or other inane things. i was suicidal for 15 yrs. Didn't go away immediately or entirely after the 'successful' attempt that resulted in my NDE but something in me shifted and i could resist. Once i had my kids--out of the question--i would not put that burden on them, or set that example. My 2nd DHs father killed himself. Gun at home, two of his teenage children found him including my DH who was eldest and protective of the younger ones. They all bore wounds from that. Tho the sister, with whom i was friends first thru whom i met him managed to heal.
My father's only sister committed suicide when I was very young. I'd only met her once, and she struck me as a gentle soul. I was able to handle the depression until my mid-50's, when personal difficulties became too hard to handle.

I'm pleased for you that you are able to live without needing meds.
 
@Pinky--i've posted before about Bialik's Breakdown Podcast. One of the things i like about her is while she's a neuroscientist she also has a spiritual side. Neurobiologists at one time were the ones instrumental establishing the paradigm that all mental health issues were 'chemical imbalances' requiring meds (didn't help that psychologists for some reason were desperate to be considered a 'hard' science), but that was before further research proved neuroplasticity exists throughout our lifespans, that what we think and do can actually alter the structure, 'wiring' of our brains. i also like the variety of guests she has and the acknowledgement that while some things can be generalized, we are all so individualized, solutions to emotional issues need to be individualized too.
 
i've been trying to figure out where to begin.
For most of us if our Mental Health Issues (Depression, Anxiety, or others)) began when we were under 15-16--in those times unless you came from an upper middle class or wealthy family few people even considered that a child might have a serious mental health issue. If we expressed ourselves often parents and other elders invalidated our feelings. Though we Boomers were pretty much the first generation where most people realized children weren't just small adults and that how we were raised, what we experienced would shape our lives, in both positive and negative ways.

To be fair it would have been hard for anyone to spot my issues because
1) very much hid feelings from Mom because of our unbalanced relationship--from earliest memory i felt i had to protect her emotionally.
2) i had always been a 'loner', happy with my own company. Had to be pushed to socialize till after puberty hit. But even then i approached it different than most. So my being off by myself, reading/writing, was not a 'red flag'. One maternal Aunt broached the subject to Mom once, but Mom dismissed it, could not have afforded therapy anyway.

i have to agree that Depression is often more about being apathetic toward the world, including things that 'normally' bring a person satisfaction or joy. Sometimes can be immobilizing. For most that manifests as sleeping more, doing only the most necessary of tasks to live--but it's like you're sleepwalking thru those waking hours. The fall i was 19 i was struggling mightily with it, sometimes i felt on the brink of going catatonic. i would sit in a chair--and then become 'afraid' to get up, because nothing beyond what i was touching at the moment seemed 'real' to me. Took an act of will to press a foot to the floor (i was short even then and many chairs made for taller people--i often sat lotus position to avoid the lack of support for legs) and then say to myself "i can feel the floor, it's connected to the walls, windows, doors i can get up and move.

What gave me the will to fight the immobilization? The image of one of my older sisters in VA Mental ward, at the time i was still claustrophobic most of those rooms way too small. i'd argue with myself that if i 'let go' of reality i probably wouldn't care about any of that but some instinct pushed me to re-engage.

In those days they were still sorting proper diagnosis out--the depressive stage of Bi-Polar order often gotten mistaken for depression itself. And even if it's a chemical issue--the thing about psychotropic drugs---accurate diagnosis is crucial. The wrong med can do more harm than good. So i was very reluctant to use medications myself. (Especially since some instinct told me there was some problem with how my schizophrenic sister had been medicated--i would be nearly 50 yrs before my instinct was validated but that's another topic really). i worked at applying things i learned from my spiritual and philosophical studies. i bumbled my way thru meditation techniques learned from books. It helped--staying in the now as much as possible (you have to give thought and energy to how you pay your bills), looking for things that sparked hope and joy, doing for others, being there for them in their need.

Because it might be difficult for others, trigger them, i won't go into my suicidal ideations and actions (both overt and covert). A lot of people have no clue how many poor choices, how much bad judgement is really hidden depression, or how many 1 car accidents or freak accidental deaths of other kinds are the result of someone flirting with death.

In time, after my NDE, after having my sons i got a better handle on it. i learned to formally meditate via the Silva Method when i was 33. For several years i belonged to a group of Silva Graduates who met weekly to practice what we learned--that is a topic too). But what i learned about myself served me well. When i was so stressed from 3rd divorce in 1999 i was having trouble getting to meditative state, i went to GP and said--look i need help (without getting blotto drunk) sleeping properly for a night or two. She was surprised i wouldn't take a prescription for 30 sleeping pills. She agreed to make it just 5 Ambien (before all the horror stories about it--tho i had no issues). i used 2 got enough restorative sleep to meditate and got myself back on track dealing in healthy ways.

The internet has been a huge help for me because one can seek out 'Good News', and i need that to balance all the negative input we get daily. i have had talk therapy briefly a couple of times. It was helpful. One of the reasons i retired to a rural setting is because for me Nature is always the best medicine---here i have only to step outside or just look out my window to see things that lift my spirits. My neighbors are helpful but not intrusive. i have a BA in Psychology, my only still living sister has a Master's in it. She pushed me to go for the degree because i read so much psychology on my own that i could discuss it with her knowledgably before i ever took a course. It has been helpful. i try to stay informed about new trends and shifting paradigms in the field.

i do want to be clear--i am not anti-medication, i know some issues and some individuals absolutely need it. But it was not the best course for me. i just feel that each person needs and has a right to make their own choices about it. The worst difficulties of my life came in situations where i shushed my instincts--gave somebody or thing the benefit of doubt when i should have listened to my higher self! By the time i was in situation where some were suggesting medicating me i knew that very well and refused, made my own path. But again, that's me, everyone needs to pick/make their path.
Thank you for sharing! What a beautiful testimony to what you went through! Hugs from afar!
 
Depression is not feeling sad sometimes. It's not about smiling or laughing @palides2021. Actual depression is debilitating. It's not a sometimes thing. It's an always thing and I'm happy for you that you have never suffered it's effects.
That's one form of depression. Another form is learned helplessness, which was identified by Dr. Martin Seligman back in the '60s with his experiments on dogs (which would be illegal today). It's from an inability to overcome adversity or to achieve desired goals.

We hear all these saying about how overcoming adversity makes you stronger — usually in the form of: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That may be true, although it can also leave you with PTSD, like so many soldiers experience.

Problems arise when we can't overcome problems or achieve goals that are important to us, and that inability can leave you depressed.

Dr. Robert Sapolsky from Stanford University found that after one traumatic experience or one major failure, we can bounce back fairly easily, and the same with another major failure, but around the third time, like three strikes and you're out — that's when depression tends to hit. The first failure we can see as an anomaly, as with the second, but if you keep getting knocked down, eventually you start believing that you're just not good enough, and that's a tough thing to overcome and what makes people depressed.

And the only way to overcome learned helplessness is through accomplishments. That's what Seligman also learned through his experiments with dogs and used with people to help them.
 
That's one form of depression. Another form is learned helplessness, which was identified by Dr. Martin Seligman back in the '60s with his experiments on dogs (which would be illegal today). It's from an inability to overcome adversity or to achieve desired goals.

We hear all these saying about how overcoming adversity makes you stronger — usually in the form of: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That may be true, although it can also leave you with PTSD, like so many soldiers experience.

Problems arise when we can't overcome problems or achieve goals that are important to us, and that inability can leave you depressed.

Dr. Robert Sapolsky from Stanford University found that after one traumatic experience or one major failure, we can bounce back fairly easily, and the same with another major failure, but around the third time, like three strikes and you're out — that's when depression tends to hit. The first failure we can see as an anomaly, as with the second, but if you keep getting knocked down, eventually you start believing that you're just not good enough, and that's a tough thing to overcome and what makes people depressed.

And the only way to overcome learned helplessness is through accomplishments. That's what Seligman also learned through his experiments with dogs and used with people to help them.
Partially true. Many of the things that a bring on depression are not actually 'failures' on the part of the person but rather on the part of those who were supposed to nurture and care for them as children. The child will more likely interpret this as their own failure, to conclude "I am unloveable". Different things help different people understand who really failed.

This is supported by studies that show that children living in abusive and/or neglectful circumstances can survive and eventually thrive IF they have 1 person in their lives fairly consistently who cares about and consistently supports them. Sometimes just one year of having a teacher who is helpful, encouraging, supportive and consistently 'there' for the child can make a difference. They may still have some issues regarding the people who are 'supposed' to love them not filling that role, but they can at least manage to function in the world .
 
i've been trying to figure out where to begin.
For most of us if our Mental Health Issues (Depression, Anxiety, or others)) began when we were under 15-16--in those times unless you came from an upper middle class or wealthy family few people even considered that a child might have a serious mental health issue. If we expressed ourselves often parents and other elders invalidated our feelings. Though we Boomers were pretty much the first generation where most people realized children weren't just small adults and that how we were raised, what we experienced would shape our lives, in both positive and negative ways.

To be fair it would have been hard for anyone to spot my issues because
1) very much hid feelings from Mom because of our unbalanced relationship--from earliest memory i felt i had to protect her emotionally.
2) i had always been a 'loner', happy with my own company. Had to be pushed to socialize till after puberty hit. But even then i approached it different than most. So my being off by myself, reading/writing, was not a 'red flag'. One maternal Aunt broached the subject to Mom once, but Mom dismissed it, could not have afforded therapy anyway.

i have to agree that Depression is often more about being apathetic toward the world, including things that 'normally' bring a person satisfaction or joy. Sometimes can be immobilizing. For most that manifests as sleeping more, doing only the most necessary of tasks to live--but it's like you're sleepwalking thru those waking hours. The fall i was 19 i was struggling mightily with it, sometimes i felt on the brink of going catatonic. i would sit in a chair--and then become 'afraid' to get up, because nothing beyond what i was touching at the moment seemed 'real' to me. Took an act of will to press a foot to the floor (i was short even then and many chairs made for taller people--i often sat lotus position to avoid the lack of support for legs) and then say to myself "i can feel the floor, it's connected to the walls, windows, doors i can get up and move.

What gave me the will to fight the immobilization? The image of one of my older sisters in VA Mental ward, at the time i was still claustrophobic most of those rooms way too small. i'd argue with myself that if i 'let go' of reality i probably wouldn't care about any of that but some instinct pushed me to re-engage.

In those days they were still sorting proper diagnosis out--the depressive stage of Bi-Polar order often gotten mistaken for depression itself. And even if it's a chemical issue--the thing about psychotropic drugs---accurate diagnosis is crucial. The wrong med can do more harm than good. So i was very reluctant to use medications myself. (Especially since some instinct told me there was some problem with how my schizophrenic sister had been medicated--it would be nearly 50 yrs before my instinct was validated but that's another topic really). i worked at applying things i learned from my spiritual and philosophical studies. i bumbled my way thru meditation techniques learned from books. It helped--staying in the now as much as possible (you have to give thought and energy to how you pay your bills), looking for things that sparked hope and joy, doing for others, being there for them in their need.

Because it might be difficult for others, trigger them, i won't go into my suicidal ideations and actions (both overt and covert). A lot of people have no clue how many poor choices, how much bad judgement is really hidden depression, or how many 1 car accidents or freak accidental deaths of other kinds are the result of someone flirting with death.

In time, after my NDE, after having my sons i got a better handle on it. i learned to formally meditate via the Silva Method when i was 33. For several years i belonged to a group of Silva Graduates who met weekly to practice what we learned--that is a topic too). But what i learned about myself served me well. When i was so stressed from 3rd divorce in 1999 i was having trouble getting to meditative state, i went to GP and said--look i need help (without getting blotto drunk) sleeping properly for a night or two. She was surprised i wouldn't take a prescription for 30 sleeping pills. She agreed to make it just 5 Ambien (before all the horror stories about it--tho i had no issues). i used 2 got enough restorative sleep to meditate and got myself back on track dealing in healthy ways.

The internet has been a huge help for me because one can seek out 'Good News', and i need that to balance all the negative input we get daily. i have had talk therapy briefly a couple of times. It was helpful. One of the reasons i retired to a rural setting is because for me Nature is always the best medicine---here i have only to step outside or just look out my window to see things that lift my spirits. My neighbors are helpful but not intrusive. i have a BA in Psychology, my only still living sister has a Master's in it. She pushed me to go for the degree because i read so much psychology on my own that i could discuss it with her knowledgably before i ever took a course. It has been helpful. i try to stay informed about new trends and shifting paradigms in the field.

i do want to be clear--i am not anti-medication, i know some issues and some individuals absolutely need it. But it was not the best course for me. i just feel that each person needs and has a right to make their own choices about it. The worst difficulties of my life came in situations where i shushed my instincts--gave somebody or thing the benefit of doubt when i should have listened to my higher self! By the time i was in situation where some were suggesting medicating me i knew that very well and refused, made my own path. But again, that's me, everyone needs to pick/make their path.
Thank you so much for baring your soul and sharing your story.

You're exactly right. Depression goes beyond being "down". There is a sense of hopelessness and a lack of interest in doing everyday things. My father used to bring my mother to visit me, and she would sit in the corner and rock bath and forth, saying nothing. When depression hit me, there was a sense of restlessness and nervousness, so I understood what she was going through. I'm just so thankful every day that I got to the other side.

You are also right that being in nature can help tremendously. I try to get out for walks in nature as often as I can. The sound of birds and the foliage is very therapeutic.
 


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