Articles topic " A vaccine shot? No thank you"

[chic]

True but if a person is higher risk of dying from the vaccine due to preexisting health conditions, how can they be legally restricted from travel or employment etc? If they are that's a good lawsuit in their favor.

Right and no one considers this.

If a person is dead scared of the virus and wants to be vaccinated I wish them all the best luck with and will help where I can. But for those of us who cannot or would prefer not to be vaccinated, I don't think our lives should be destroyed over this virus which is what those in charge seem intent on doing to us.

This has become another thing to divide us when we need to find common ground. Is America a free country or not? Collectivism is not such a hot idea when it comes to decisions like this.

 

[StarSong]

There may be all kinds of lawsuits filed:

I have friends with elderly relatives in assisted living facilities and nursing homes. If residents and family members can show proof of vaccination, those facilities should be able to return to normal visitation policies - IF and only IF all staff and visiting health care providers are also vaccinated.

I foresee lawsuits filed by families forcing facilities to require employees and visitors provide proof of vaccination for the physical and mental health of patients and their families. How long should those residents be required to be isolated and masked if they've been vaccinated, simply because outsiders (including facility employees) refuse the vaccines?

 

[Murrmurr]

There may be all kinds of lawsuits filed:

I have friends with elderly relatives in assisted living facilities and nursing homes. If residents and family members can show proof of vaccination, those facilities should be able to return to normal visitation policies - IF and only IF all staff and visiting health care providers are also vaccinated.

I foresee lawsuits filed by families forcing facilities to require employees and visitors provide proof of vaccination for the physical and mental health of patients and their families. How long should those residents be required to be isolated and masked if they've been vaccinated, simply because outsiders (including facility employees) refuse the vaccines.

As far as I know (from personal experience) residential facilities for the elderly just give each resident the vaccine - not a lot of discussion. Any employee or staff member who refuses the vaccine is placed on leave. I'm guessing unpaid leave for most...or maybe they're Laid Off and therefore eligible for unemployment benefits. Obviously I'm not sure about staff, but based on the three senior facilities I'm personally familiar with (locally), residents are told their getting a flu shot, and then they're given the vaccine.

 

[Jeni]

Obviously I'm not sure about staff, but based on the three senior facilities I'm personally familiar with (locally), residents are told their getting a flu shot, and then they're given the vaccine.

interesting .... if they are misrepresenting what shot these folks are receiving ......

 

[Murrmurr]

interesting .... if they are misrepresenting what shot these folks are receiving ......

The facilities I'm familiar with are 3rd tier, I think it's called. So the residents have some form of dementia or diminished mental capacity. Is it considered "railroading" then? More interesting - no family members are informed. No staff member calls a next of kin or the resident's responsible person to ask "Do we have your permission to give your father the covid vaccine?" and then maybe add "It's highly recommended" and explain why. That's not happening at these facilities.

 

[Becky1951]

As far as I know (from personal experience) residential facilities for the elderly just give each resident the vaccine - not a lot of discussion. Any employee or staff member who refuses the vaccine is placed on leave. I'm guessing unpaid leave for most...or maybe they're Laid Off and therefore eligible for unemployment benefits. Obviously I'm not sure about staff, but based on the three senior facilities I'm personally familiar with (locally), residents are told their getting a flu shot, and then they're given the vaccine.

That is against the law! They need to be reported.

What’s a VIS?

A VIS or Vaccine Information Statement is a document, produced by CDC, that informs vaccine recipients – or their parents or legal representatives – about the benefits and risks of a vaccine they are receiving.

Read about the evolution and history of Vaccine Information Statements pdf icon[5 pages].

VISs are required by law

All vaccine providers, public or private, are required by the National Vaccine Childhood Injury Act (NCVIA – 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-26 pdf icon[2 pages]external icon) to give the appropriate VIS to the patient (or parent or legal representative) prior to every dose of specific vaccines.

The appropriate VIS must be given prior to the vaccination, and must be given prior to each dose of a multi-dose series. It must be given regardless of the age of the recipient. See “Ways to give a VIS“.

Ways to give a VIS

• Paper copies of the VIS can be printed and given to patients prior to vaccination.

• Permanent, laminated office copies may be given to patients to read prior to vaccination.

• Patients may view VISs on a computer monitor or other video display.

• Patients may read the VIS on their phone or other digital device by downloading the pdf file from CDC’s website.

• Patients may be given a copy of a VIS during a prior visit, or told how to access it through the internet, so they can read it in advance. These patients must still be offered a copy to read during the immunization visit, as a reminder.

Patients must still be offered a copy of the VIS to take away following the vaccination. The patient may decline.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/about/facts-vis.html

 

[Murrmurr]

That is against the law! They need to be reported.

What’s a VIS?

A VIS or Vaccine Information Statement is a document, produced by CDC, that informs vaccine recipients – or their parents or legal representatives – about the benefits and risks of a vaccine they are receiving.

Read about the evolution and history of Vaccine Information Statements pdf icon[5 pages].

VISs are required by law

All vaccine providers, public or private, are required by the National Vaccine Childhood Injury Act (NCVIA – 42 U.S.C. § 300aa-26 pdf icon[2 pages]external icon) to give the appropriate VIS to the patient (or parent or legal representative) prior to every dose of specific vaccines.

The appropriate VIS must be given prior to the vaccination, and must be given prior to each dose of a multi-dose series. It must be given regardless of the age of the recipient. See “Ways to give a VIS“.

Ways to give a VIS

• Paper copies of the VIS can be printed and given to patients prior to vaccination.

• Permanent, laminated office copies may be given to patients to read prior to vaccination.

• Patients may view VISs on a computer monitor or other video display.

• Patients may read the VIS on their phone or other digital device by downloading the pdf file from CDC’s website.

• Patients may be given a copy of a VIS during a prior visit, or told how to access it through the internet, so they can read it in advance. These patients must still be offered a copy to read during the immunization visit, as a reminder.

Patients must still be offered a copy of the VIS to take away following the vaccination. The patient may decline.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/vis/about/facts-vis.html

I'm familiar with that. My mom recently died in the covid ward of the skilled nursing facility where she lived. We were not informed that she'd tested positive for covid a few weeks earlier. We were finally told she did, then we were told she didn't. We were told she'd been vaccinated, then we were told she wasn't. She was supposed to be checked twice/week by an outsourced hospice service but they "knew nothing" about anything, not even that she'd been moved to the covid ward.

She died in late January. We were finally able to bury her last week. We've been looking into this whole thing and we are getting absolutely nowhere.

 

[StarSong]

As far as I know (from personal experience) residential facilities for the elderly just give each resident the vaccine - not a lot of discussion. Any employee or staff member who refuses the vaccine is placed on leave. I'm guessing unpaid leave for most...or maybe they're Laid Off and therefore eligible for unemployment benefits. Obviously I'm not sure about staff, but based on the three senior facilities I'm personally familiar with (locally), residents are told their getting a flu shot, and then they're given the vaccine.

I was focusing on what will happen with employees and visiting health care workers who decline vaccines. I have no knowledge of facilities misrepresenting vaccines and am shocked that they would do so.

 

[StarSong]

The facilities I'm familiar with are 3rd tier, I think it's called. So the residents have some form of dementia or diminished mental capacity. Is it considered "railroading" then? More interesting - no family members are informed. No staff member calls a next of kin or the resident's responsible person to ask "Do we have your permission to give your father the covid vaccine?" and then maybe add "It's highly recommended" and explain why. That's not happening at these facilities.

You might want to double check the paperwork signed when your mother was checked in. A blanket medical permission including vaccinations may have been part of the agreement.

 

[Murrmurr]

You might want to double check the paperwork signed when your mother was checked in. A blanket medical permission including vaccinations may have been part of the agreement.

Yep, all that is with our attorney. We haven't filed suit, and maybe we won't, we just want to know if there was any wrong-doing. There's no question that hospice wasn't doing their bit. They were being paid to see her twice/week but obviously didn't, at least not during her final month. Maybe they weren't allowed in, but that isn't what they told us.

 

[Becky1951]

You might want to double check the paperwork signed when your mother was checked in. A blanket medical permission including vaccinations may have been part of the agreement.

"Patients must still be offered a copy of the VIS to take away following the vaccination. The patient may decline."

 

[StarSong]

"Patients must still be offered a copy of the VIS to take away following the vaccination. The patient may decline."

He doesn't know if she was vaccinated. Presumably dementia patients wouldn't be given paperwork to mull over, no more than children would be. That's why I asked if they'd provided blanket permission when signing her in.

My experience with AL and memory care ALs is that there are RNs or LVNs on staff 24/7. Along with outside providers, they manage meds and health care.

In any event, he said she died from Covid, not from a vaccination issue.

 

[Becky1951]

He doesn't know if she was vaccinated. Presumably dementia patients wouldn't be given paperwork to mull over, no more than children would be. That's why I asked if they'd provided blanket permission when signing her in.

My experience with AL and memory care ALs is that there are RNs or LVNs on staff 24/7. Along with outside providers, they manage meds and health care.

In any event, he said she died from Covid, not from a vaccination issue.

Yes I know she died from Covid. Cause of death is irrelevant if patients are being given any vaccine and told it's a different vaccine. Yes if whomever signed whatever that allows the facility to vaccinate that's OK. But if then its not. That's my point.

 

[StarSong]

Yes I know she died from Covid. Cause of death is irrelevant if patients are being given any vaccine and told it's a different vaccine. Yes if whomever signed whatever that allows the facility to vaccinate that's OK. But if then its not. That's my point.

Gotcha.

 

[Rocketman]

I will get one. They work. Again, I believe Dr. Fauci. He's the expert and knows his science.

”Flip Flop” Fauci? You mean the guy who gave our taxpayer money to the Wuhan Lab? His incriminating emails? Do you mean that Fauci?!

 

[fmdog44]

All I know is the numbers of new infections is growing faster by the day, hospitals are filling up once again. All due to ignorance and fear while millions of doses sit on shelves.

 

[oldman]

All I know is that I am NOT getting any boosters. I was sick as a dog after my second shot and don't ever want to experience being that sick again.

 

[Giantsfan1954]

There’s way to much confusing and conflicting information being broadcast out there!

 

[chic]

All I know is that I am NOT getting any boosters. I was sick as a dog after my second shot and don't ever want to experience being that sick again.

What did you experience @oldman if I may ask? Which vaccine did you have?