At your current age, does it ever seem to you that...

I'm hoping the 'ram it down their throats before they realize they've been duped' philosophy finishes its course soon. I was fed up with it about the time it started. I just thank my lucky stars I'm not in the targeted demographic :coffee:. Don...
 

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I have a serious problem with being told how to feel, what to think, what I have to be accepting of, etc. I always think of the old saying “Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins.” I don't have a problem with gender issues, trans, fluid, or any of the rest if I'm not actively SHAMED for not feeling the same.
 

CallMeKate said:
I have a serious problem with being told how to feel, what to think, what I have to be accepting of, etc. I always think of the old saying “Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins.” I don't have a problem with gender issues, trans, fluid, or any of the rest if I'm not actively SHAMED for not feeling the same.
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Yes.

I'm a lot less tolerant when someone is forcing me to say "uncle".

Too, there's request for tacit tolerance (easy) and there's the demand for public approval (lots harder).
 
Sawfish said:
Does it seem to you that self-identification of gender and preferred pronoun fluidity are signs of fantasy?

To me it does, but I see now that I chose the term poorly.
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This actually scares me. If someone wants to be identified as male or female. Fine. I won't worry about them. But this they, them ze etc... And changes day to day stuff, I'm not playing that. But what if I misgender someone at work (not an issue as far as I know with anyone at this time but could happen or to anyone else) and I'm hauled into HR for offending this person, harm, protected class. I'm probably flip out.
 
Remy said:
But what if I misgender someone at work and I'm hauled into HR for offending this person....
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Something similar happened to my wife. She worked at a very well known luxury hotel chain. While there she made that mistake and was immediately suspended for 3 days and written up. A year later, when Covid hit the hotel was cut back to a skeleton crew and she was laid off for a few months, then furloughed. That turned into a termination because of the length of time off for all furloughed employees... When she was finally called back she went in for the interview and was told she was "Not eligible for rehire" because of that write-up.

She's at a better hotel now making more money and is happier working with much nicer people.
 
Remy said:
This actually scares me. If someone wants to be identified as male or female. Fine. I won't worry about them. But this they, them ze etc... And changes day to day stuff, I'm not playing that. But what if I misgender someone at work (not an issue as far as I know with anyone at this time but could happen or to anyone else) and I'm hauled into HR for offending this person, harm, protected class. I'm probably flip out.
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...and let's not forget that the punishment for dead-naming them is 10 years in the re-education camps.

;)
 
MikeyDude said:
Something similar happened to my wife. She worked at a very well known luxury hotel chain. While there she made that mistake and was immediately suspended for 3 days and written up. A year later, when Covid hit the hotel was cut back to a skeleton crew and she was laid off for a few months, then furloughed. That turned into a termination because of the length of time off for all furloughed employees... When she was finally called back she went in for the interview and was told she was "Not eligible for rehire" because of that write-up.

She's at a better hotel now making more money and is happier working with much nicer people.
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That's an outrage! :mad: And just what I'm afraid has and will continue to happen. If someone is purposely doing such to harass an employee, that's one thing. But we can all make mistakes and errors and there is no reason for what happened to your wife.

Many people have put up with much worse at work than what little this individual got (an honest mistake) and never had any recourse. I'm glad your wife has a much better work environment now.
 
NorthernLight said:
Yes, intersex is a real thing, and more common than people realize. What do I care if someone wants to "identify" differently, or be called "they"? I don't understand why people are so shocked or offended by this.

When I lived overseas, an American woman commented that we Canadians were so quick to correct anyone who called us Americans. Well excuuuuuse me, Canadians are not Americans. (If I were American, do you think I'd be living here in the cold?)

Intersex people and wrongly assigned people deal with this every day. It must be painful for them. It doesn't cost me anything to show them the courtesy of calling them whatever they want.
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I agree. Some seem to think this is a lark for a bunch of attention seekers. I can't vouch for everyone, but most gender questioners start at about 3 years of age. Daughters tell their parents they are boys, and sons say they are girls. I don't pretend to understand it, but just having certain *******s doesn't mean your brain can't have other ideas.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I agree. Some seem to think this is a lark for a bunch of attention seekers. I can't vouch for everyone, but most gender questioners start at about 3 years of age. Daughters tell their parents they are boys, and sons say they are girls. I don't pretend to understand it, but just having certain *******s doesn't mean your brain can't have other ideas.
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But, you know, how in the heck would they know what the opposite sex might feel like?

To me, that's the core of the problem. I see a young woman, obviously dissatisfied in some vague way with her life and the next thing she says is that her name should be Jake, and that she feels more like a male.

But how, exactly, would she know what a male feels like? Will she understand the normal, everyday head-butting that we do, have done since childhood? The figurative peeing higher on the wall than everyone else?

Has she ever gotten into physical confrontations? Has she been in relationships where, when there's a strange noise downstairs, it's understood that *you* will be the one to go down and check it out?

I'm NOT saying that women cannot do this, simply that as a male, your public role includes these expectancies and to not do them is a black mark against you..

How would she know about that?

Me, I'm *happy* in my role. I like/liked all that stuff. It was not necessarily pleasant going thru all that at the time, but it was certainly fulfilling, defining.

And the same goes for males wanting to become females. How in the heck would they *know*? Especially if they're young...
 
Pepper said:
Interesting post @Sawfish
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The scary, truly discouraging answer to "how would they know what the expectancies of the opposite sex are like" is that they have never seen any expectancies of any kind, relating to societal roles.

So the hypothetical "Jake" thinks she'd be happy as a metrosexual, which is entirely possible and normal in larger cities.

It's all based on a solipsistic view of the individual being the center of reality.

Which is true, but not socially cohesive. To have a fairly beneficial social cohesion requires a degree of compromise, which they are apparently complete unaware of.
 
🥱 At my current age, I don't much give a :poop: about anybody else's "fantasies" or whether or not they're interested in or aware of compromise on any subject.

Vivre et laisser vivre.
 
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Georgiagranny said:
🥱 At my current age, I don't much give a :poop: about anybody else's "fantasies" or whether or not they're interested in or aware of compromise on any subject.

Vivre et laisser vivre.
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I sorta agree, but see the current situation of fluid self-identity, for example, as the logical result of the ol' "I'm OK, you're OK" from the 60s/70s. I mean, I was a part of this, and now see it in the same light as my earlier views on free love: I had not a clue where this would tend to go, or if it could even marginally work the way people supposed.

Do you see the connection?
 
Gaer said:
I never cared until they started shoving it in my face
and the faces of our children, and our children's children.

Now I care.
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I live in a country that really has very little problems when you compare to real problems in many countries around the world. However, that doesn't stop us from manufacturing problems. Boy oh boy! Are we good at manufacturing problems; mostly social. We are so good that we probably have a new "problem" of the week; every week. I guess we are "fat cats, chewing the cud and manufacturing problems."
 
Not to me. It's up to whomever to interpret what others think and feel. It's usually a guess.
 

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